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At 9/1/09 01:16 AM, Gagsy wrote: The only graphic novels I've read are Watchmen and V For Vendetta (yes because they got turned into movies), but I really fucking loved reading both, much better then the film versions, and I was wondering if there is other comics like those that I would probably enjoy, with the whole adult theme.

The Punisher ( Written by Garth Ennis is your best bet)

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Ghost Rider can be quite adult at times.

Hellblazer

Preacher

Possibly Fables as well...

Or should I just find more Alan Moore work?

As a general rule of thumb, yes. League of Extraordinary gentlemen might be a good palce to start.


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Oh comics.

I just read a Japanese comic called Girl Friends. It's by Miruku (Milk) Morinaga. A pseudonym, I'm guessing.

It was about a high school girl who becomes friends with a girl, then best friends, then falls in love, and despairs as she realises her love can go unfulfilled and that her friendship with the girl cannot satisfy her carnal needs, only not in those words.

It was kind of bizarrely interesting, despite itself. The characters are teenagers living in modern times, yet most of the characters cannot seem to grasp with the idea that a girl could be attracted to another girl. There's an odd conversation where one girl says something along the lines of "a girl kissed a girl? What? That's crazy. Girls don't go with girls. Girls go with guys. That's weird." And the person she was speaking to agreed. And these characters were not supposed to be idiots. I don't know the general view of homosexuality in Japan, but I'm fairly sure they would at least acknowledge the existence of it.

It was interesting to read in order to contrast it with depictions of relationships in other Japanese comics. The comics that I have read largely centre around the awkwardness of the characters, but this one was a little bit different. It was entirely reading the internal monologue of a girl who is repressing her sexual identity to the break point while trying to act normal. I'm sure I could have found a comic that addressed this better but hey, I don't go and search this stuff out.

Anyway. For this post I decided to talk about some Japanese comic I read on the internet, just because it was different to other comics that I have read. I have read Western comics, and I have read better Japanese comics, but I wanted to talk about Girl Friends, an obscure comic that is being scanlated on the internet. Oh, and it was not a porn comic.

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I was beaten to reccomending Punisher but I just want to say there were good Punisher writers before Garth Ennis. Since him, not so much.
If you like his style I'd suggest his run on Hellblazer: Constentine. The book "dangerous habits" is what they took the bulk of the movie from.
If you're interested in just dabbleing your feet into the superhero world I'd have to suggest Starman. The James Robinson run. Basically it's about a young dude who falls into the family business of being a superhero. It's utterly a superhero book but without feeling like a superhero book.
I wouldn't advise people against reading Alan Moore, except for the last two league of extrodinary gentalmen books.
But if graphic novels are your thing, two words, Frank Miller. Dark Knight Returns is lauded as why people don't just see Batman as Adam West (avie will remind you that there were writers in the 70's who helped) And if you liked the sin city movie it was basically lifted off the page. He also gave the world "THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!!" but reviews are mixed about that.

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At 9/1/09 05:23 PM, stafffighter wrote:
But if graphic novels are your thing, two words, Frank Miller. Dark Knight Returns is lauded as why people don't just see Batman as Adam West (avie will remind you that there were writers in the 70's who helped) And if you liked the sin city movie it was basically lifted off the page. He also gave the world "THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!!" but reviews are mixed about that.

Then Frank made Dark Knight Strikes Again and completely fucked everything up. First, why make a sequel 20 years later, secondly FUCK YOU FOR MAKING DICK GRAYSON AN INCOMPETENT ASSHOLE WHO KILLS SUPERHEROES AND DOUBLE FUCK YO FOR WHAT YOU DID TO MARTIAN MANHUNTER! J'onn J'onzz should not be an alcoholic and should never, ever say "tits up"


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Also, I highly recommend the manga series The Lone Wolf and the Cub, 28 volumes long.

They're published under Dark Horse Comics, and it's good and pretty faithful to the original script. It's considered one of the best manga ever, so it's worth checking out.

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Hey guys, did you hear? Guy Ritchie is going to direct the Lobo film. So, thoughts?

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At 9/4/09 04:58 PM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote: Hey guys, did you hear? Guy Ritchie is going to direct the Lobo film. So, thoughts?

Source.

I heard about that. While at first it was hard to picture I thought to myself "what would a Guy Richie sci fi movie look like?" and then it fit perfectly.

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I was thinking to myself the other day..............

Myself, I thought......

Doesn't the plot of Wolfenstein and Hellboy sound oddly similar?

The whole Nazi occult summoning Demons and supernatural stuff.

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At 9/13/09 07:22 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: The whole Nazi occult summoning Demons and supernatural stuff.

Lots and lots of people have used the Nazis and their interest in the occult for story fodder in comics and other venues. It is just so gosh damn fascinating that these evil mother fuckers were so interested in spirituality and people have mined that to great (and not so great effect).

Not saying it's unpossible the two influenced each other, but just that there's a lot of examples of this used as a back drop.

Also use the boards more fuckers, I'm paying for that you know :p

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So I decided to download the first volume of Sandman to see if I'd like it, and while I haven't read much at all I couldn't help but notice that the beginning takes place at Wych Cross, which is actually just about 20 miles from me. Just a little fact that made me smile.

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At 9/21/09 03:40 AM, Gagsy wrote: So I decided to download the first volume of Sandman to see if I'd like it, and while I haven't read much at all I couldn't help but notice that the beginning takes place at Wych Cross, which is actually just about 20 miles from me. Just a little fact that made me smile.

That is cool...you should try to find a mansion or something around there and be all "excuse me, did you trap an anthropomorphic personification of a force of the universe in your basement here? Hmmm?" you'll probably get arrested but it will make me laugh.

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At 9/21/09 03:23 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: That is cool...you should try to find a mansion or something around there and be all "excuse me, did you trap an anthropomorphic personification of a force of the universe in your basement here? Hmmm?" you'll probably get arrested but it will make me laugh.

Oh crap. I got to stop renting that house now.

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My current judgments of Ultimate Alliance two.

1. Boo, no Punisher.
2. Yay, Gambit.
3. I don't like that the bonus teams are all dependant on which side you choose.
4. Couldn't they just tell me to use a fusion attack on Yellowjacket? by the 5th "you'll have to tire him out again" sending Wolverine after his wrists became even more satisfieing than it had been.

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At 9/21/09 08:02 PM, stafffighter wrote: My current judgments of Ultimate Alliance two.

So....good or bad?

What do you give it?

Rent/buy/ignore completely?

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At 9/22/09 12:29 AM, BrianEtrius wrote:
At 9/21/09 08:02 PM, stafffighter wrote: My current judgments of Ultimate Alliance two.
So....good or bad?

What do you give it?

80-85. It was fine but overall if you were playing with one of a type it felt like you were playing with any of them.


Rent/buy/ignore completely?

If you just want a good brawler, rent it. If you're into exploring the different options and replaying with characters you've already leveled to complete ownage (I did this in a big way with the justice leage game) buy it.

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I'll probably eventually be buying Ultimate Alliance. The lure of putting together my own post-CW Thunderbolts team is quite strong, plus there's never been a great game before this where you could play as The Green Goblin.

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Sounds good. I'll check it out.

ALSO:

Has anyone checked out the Firefly comic series? I know it's a bit old, but I never knew there were comics. Any thoughts?

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My review for Superman/Batman: Public Enemies

Voice Actors: Even though theseare the voices that have come to define the characters for us I don't think they melded perfectly with this animation style.
Plot: It feels like they knew they had to take stuff out for length but then they took it too far. It felt more unfufilled than rushed.
Characters: I don't like how a lot of the characters were reduced to eye candy. Again this has the length to blame. Also, the portrayal of Power Girl doesn't fit what I know of the character. However, the main cast is done exceedingly well. You knew Bruce didn't like being carried.

*SPOILER*

The one problem I found is that when they were examining the guy Superman was framed for killing Batman says it's impossible unless his heat vision is radioactive and asks if it is. Batman would know that.

*END SPOILER*

Overall it's a fun watch. The animation can be jarring but that's more than likely from the expectations the voices carry. I give it a B.

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Soon as I get my paycheck sorted...it's time for some comic related goodness...dammit

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Been getting somewhat into Comics, bought The Killing Joke a week ago and it's great so far. Also got lent a few Green Lantern stuff, so I should be in for a good time there.

Also checking out Deadpool and Punisher.

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The current Deadpool series is freakin hilarious and some of the best Dark Reign related stuff. I loved that fight with Bullseye/Hawkeye.

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I wanna join! My favorite comic so far was Jay and Silent Bob: Chasing Dogma (i don't remember the exact name, think that's it). I picked it up at a comic store in upper mass...It was 15 bucks and was signed by Jae Lee, there was only 500 made, I got number 68. I read the Killing Joke after I picked up the new(semi) hardcover edition. I read it six times. Fucking awesome. I read Wanted, and loved it. Liked the movie, but also hated it because it wasn't true to the comic(sorta). I had a special edition 600th issue Detective Comics...Not my favorite story, but it was 'ight. I read Watchmen. Payed 20 bucks for it. Worth it. Watched the movie. Payed 14 bucks for it. Worth it. But, honestly, the books(1 graphic novel) I wanna pick up are, American Splendor, only a few of 'em (because I watched the movie, it was bomb!), and Our Cancer Year (also by Harvey Pekar, and with Joyce Brabner). I have to venture into more series...My dad brought me some of his favorite comics from when he was a kid...Horrible condition, but, my lord, a pleasure to read. I also have Flash, The Greatest Stories Ever Told. I loved this collection of stories. After all, they are the greatest! Well, that's my collection...small, but I love it! I need to get more, I actually want to pick up the Freddy Vs Jason Vs Ash miniseries...soon I hope! Damn, for a my age(I'm 12), I can type a lot :D


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At 10/14/09 10:54 PM, BeyondBirthday wrote: I wanna join! Damn, for a my age(I'm 12), I can type a lot :D

Yes you can type a lot... The trouble is your grammar isn't up to par. Oh well, you'll learn. I must say you've got quite varying tastes. But most of them I approve of. I say you're okay.

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Sweet so this is the new Endless Club, and here i thought you guys had somehow died off. You're like cockroaches. Anyways I just read the last page of post and want to offer a few of my opinions.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance Two was a bad experience for me because i kept getting stupid glitches like Flying Iron Fist. Overall the game felt a bit too arcadey for me especially when compared to the X-Men legends series, it just lacked a lot of the stuff that game had. The game was also a bit too dark for me even with tweaked TV settings it became hard to pick out my characters from the fodder, in this regard I think that the graphics were too realistically done. Overall I'd give this game a 71 out of 100. I did have a bit of fun but it wasn't like when i first played XML1 & 2, or JLH.

My favorite story so far comics wise has to be Identity Crisis, Civil War may have challenged that if Cap wasn't revived so lamely. I haven't finished Sandman yet but it's becoming a quick favorite.


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At 10/15/09 08:47 AM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote:
PS, if anyone takes issue with his age deserves a soul punch... my god, it's rare that I see a user who doesn't automatically push my buttons.

Rules is rules, under 13 is not to be accessing NG.

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So I've read the following over the past month:

Green Lantern: Secret Origin
Green Lantern: Rebirth
Scalped volume 1

I'm gonna be honest, I had my doubts if I was going to dig the Lantern, but Secret Origin just had all the right stuff to make a great story, it was a much more personal and human story, not about killing giant aliens. I'm not too familiar with the other members of the GL team, but Hal Jordon is easily one of the most memorable heroes in comics. Secret Origins showed me how he became a hero, and it was told in a perfectly easy and plenty enjoyable way. Comics have the tendency to have way too much going on all at once because of cross-overs, side stories, alternate universes etc. But this book made a perfectly clear intro for me.

Rebirth was a bit confusing for me though, because quite a lot happened since the events that take place in this story. But after some explaining, I got the picture. Another excellent read.

Scalped is an interesting series, I like that it's a more down-to-earth crime story, and not a sci-fi epic. In comparison, the volumes art is gritty, but more stylized in the process. It's a style that might take some getting used to for some. But I enjoyed the dark and violent story, it's like a classic revenge tale. Will continue to read this one, if you haven't checked it out, then I suggest giving it a try.

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So, I am continuing Deadpool: Merc With a Mouth and got issues 2, 3 and 4. Pretty good. Though Marvel Zombies is boring. If I wanted to read zombies I'd go for Blackest Night, which is actually fucking awesome. The whole thing with Deadpool's Zombie Head is a weak plot device. Though, it does have classic Deadpool humour, the supportive female seems one dimensional but has this quirky straight man personality. So, I am optimistic it will get better.

i also picked up a Rorschach figure.


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Avie will be proud. I finally picked up the second collection of tomb of dracula. It is better than the earlier stuff but it puts wordy to an extreme. It also gave me an intruduction to the new sorcorer supreme which was actually a fairly respectful depiction of a voodoo wielding black guy for a '70's book. Mind you this is the book that introduced Blade.
Also, the store has the full line of blackst night tie in rings. Basically you buy a certain book and you get a certian ring for free, which is cool. My only complaint is they had the display next to the register where it wasen't really visable until you were already done your shopping.

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Dark Reign has been eating all my comics dollars basically. Blackest Night is something I'll most likely hit the trade and anything relevant later.

I think Marvel Zombies is pretty played out, the shark was jumped in the 3rd one and it's just blatant as a marketing tool now.

Speaking of which I've gotten into Deadpool a little from his appearances as it relates to the Dark Reign of Osborne but geez, this character is really able to support like four monthly books? I don't buy it, this smells to me like a situation where they're going to over-saturate that market and potentially scorch the earth for a few years. Like they did with The Punisher back in the day.

Speaking of Punisher...Franken-Castle...w...t...f?!

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