At 3/31/15 11:46 PM, mysticvortex13 wrote:
anyway, @oobooglunk, you wished to continue to speak with me about why sonic is "all lighthearted and cheery" here?
not that i suppose you'll be able to sway me but okay.. i'm here, what now?
Now, I address the following points, which you made previously:
1. "Sonic has literally no character."
Sonic has always been about attitude and being edgy. Everything from his design to his idle animations to the way his franchise openly mocks Mario strengthens Sonic's unstoppably rebellious attitude. He's arrogant and addicted to action, but he knows when to do the right thing. For example, he rescued Amy Rose despite clearly being creeped out by her clingy, almost obsessive nature.
If anything, Sonic's character has been misinterpreted in recent years. He's always been good at thinking on his feet, and strongly cares for the loyalty of his friends. For instance, in Sonic 3, Sonic figured out how to pilot the Egg-O-Matic on the fly (no pun intended) and he figured out how to sabotage the Eclipse Cannon simply by observing the power of Tails' fake Chaos Emerald. In newer games, however, Sonic has taken a more methodical approach: smash first and ask questions later. This is an insult to what Sonic once was, as the character traits that he has attained belong to Mario, Sonic's greatest rival.
2. "Lava Reef" is not a reef, nor does it have lava!
Act 1 clearly has lava, and the word "reef" refers to a jagged, rocky mineral deposit, and not necessarily a coral reef in particular. Lava Reef is a reef that contains lava. Your argument is invalid.
3. The Death Egg is dark and meant to be taken seriously.
Conceptually, the Death Egg is a ripoff of the Death Star that has the word "egg" in its name, which makes it impossible to take seriously.
4. Sonic CD has a dark, serious story.
Sonic CD has the barest makings of a narrative. In fact, it's similar to the child-oriented Mario in terms of plot: the world has been encased in stone (or metal) by an evil villain, and a damsel in distress has been kidnapped. Go save her!
That sums it up. You want a truly dark story in a video game? Play Heavy Rain or LA Noir.
5. The Wario games have no story.
The Wario Land series has a more in-depth story than the first Sonic games, and WarioWare gives the main character a new saga to live through to enthrall the audience. Play Wario Land 3 and experience the tale for yourself.
6. Scary stuff in kids' movies and shows never hurt anyone.
My younger brother watched the Spongebob Squarepants movie when he was about six or seven. He later told me that it gave him nightmares, specifically pointing out the scene I referred you to previously. You have no right to call that "not harmful".
7. Whatever Dr. Robotnik couldn't have, he destroyed.
Where is your proof for this? Robotnik couldn't "destroy" an island with a couple palm trees.
8. Deep, intellectual symbolism has no place in this discussion, as interesting as it may be.
Symbolism lies at the heart of every good story. In fact, the example of the Biolizard that I mentioned earlier represents some of the darkest, most serious storytelling that Sonic has ever successfully accomplished. You could have used that to your advantage in this discussion, but you chose to dismiss it. Never underestimate the power of symbolism.
9. Eggman was even more heroic than Shadow in Shadow the Hedgehog, the latter being a massive douche. Also, Eggman was rather helpful in Sonic Chronicles.
Technically, Shadow could become anything the player wanted him to become: good, bad, or anything in between. Moreover, Eggman tried to manipulate and kill Shadow in Shadow the Hedgehog, and Chronicles ended with Eggman stabbing Sonic and his friends in the back by taking over the world.
10. Eggman wasn't even in the original Sonic Riders!
Not only did he feature in it as the main villain, but he technically won. The goal was to uncover a lost treasure of an ancient civilization, and Sonic and his friends did that...until Eggman took it away from them at gunpoint. The heroes were powerless to stop Eggman, and he had won. Unfortunately, the treasure itself was just an excessively ornate carpet and, although Eggman recognized its value, he wasn't satisfied with it and thought he had wasted his time.
Let me rephrase that: Eggman beat Sonic, concluded that his prize wasn't good enough for him, and threw it away.