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At 3/3/08 11:19 AM, evilXbanana wrote: its takes one thousand times the effective dose of weed to kill you.

It only takes a daily dosage of it to eventually turn you into a functional retard. It's also been shown to be a gateway to the hardcore drugs.

great thread.

How's this:

I have three points to bring up, 1) Drugs should be at the very least decriminalized, if not entirely legal and otc. I think it would be great to have rehabilitation centers and private institutions helping people who are addicted to drugs, just as we have the same thing for tobacco and alcohol addicts now. But they should be legal and allowed.

2) I have smoked weed. Most people you get in here say they don't smoke it and think it should be legal, well I have. I'm not a stoner who smokes all the time, and I don't want weed legal so I can smoke it. In fact, I don't really ever want to smoke again, or my friends to smoke again. It kinda sucks when the people you hang out with are all deadbeats who want to just get high every weekend.

3) That being said, it should be their right to do that. I mean when you're high, you look like a total idiot running around and just laughing at everything, etc. I've seen it first hand (as I'm sure many of you have), and it's just... stupid.. not something that anyone should really do. But who is the government to be our babysitter, to save us from ourselves?

All in all, I see no difference between making narcotics and suicide illegal, for example. Or driving a car, that's pretty damn dangerous. If you want someone to hold your hand and keep you from making the wrong decisions, then hire a nanny. And if you want someone to make decisions for others you've never even met before, don't bother.

I hope my thoughts aren't too disorganized.

Yeah high people can't do anything.

I took an A.P. english test when I was stoned and I did fine.

It depends on the person I think.

At 3/3/08 09:00 PM, Christopherr wrote:

At 3/3/08 11:19 AM, evilXbanana wrote: its takes one thousand times the effective dose of weed to kill you.

It only takes a daily dosage of it to eventually turn you into a functional retard. It's also been shown to be a gateway to the hardcore drugs.

Nope weed has no side effects beside getting high. None, no mental problems or heart problems and it doesn't cause cancer. Safe. The reason people who smoke weed SOMETIMES go to bigger drugs is often due to drug dealers convincing them. However if it was legal then you could just nip down the chemist to get some who would suggest you keep to the legal drug rather than the harder stuff

Hey, Alcohol is a very dangerous drug. It can cause liver damage, increase crime beacuse of fighting under the influence of alcohol and psychosis. To make it fair, alcohol should be banned and maybe the supply and demand of alcohol will magically decrease and it will be a success.

i just came back from a party. i smoked some weed. damn good stuff =] lalalalalalalalalal smily smily smily :) :) :)

At 3/4/08 02:03 AM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote: Nope weed has no side effects beside getting high. None, no mental problems or heart problems and it doesn't cause cancer. Safe.

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At 3/4/08 01:39 PM, dySWN wrote:

At 3/4/08 02:03 AM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote: Nope weed has no side effects beside getting high. None, no mental problems or heart problems and it doesn't cause cancer. Safe.

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Give me one side effect from a scientific study. It came out negative for cancer by scientific studies. For a poisonous amount (And every thing is poisonous if you have enough of it.) you would need to smoke a huge amount. And there have been no mental problems found. Weed is far safer than a cigarette or Alcohol.

At 3/4/08 02:03 AM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote: Nope weed has no side effects beside getting high. None, no mental problems or heart problems and it doesn't cause cancer. Safe. The reason people who smoke weed SOMETIMES go to bigger drugs is often due to drug dealers convincing them. However if it was legal then you could just nip down the chemist to get some who would suggest you keep to the legal drug rather than the harder stuff

Umm, it doesn't cause physical problems. It just makes you want to come back for more, because it just feels so much better than the regular world. This negatively affects productivity.

I've met very few smart potheads. A lot of lazy-ass retarded potheads, but not many smart ones.

And just to put the icing on the cake, have this. Marijuana makes you a worse student and can possibly cause a number of mental disorders. So uh... sit and spin.

Let me brak it down for you. Marijuana is a gateway drug. People generally do not fear marijuana users. If a user happened to break into someone's house, the owner would probably just have to dig the intruder out of their pantry. On the other hand, if a user of a methamphetamine intruded, he or she may have a tendency to stab the owner to death with a curtain rod. Drug usage is a grave issue, and their consumption has no place in American society.

At 3/4/08 05:43 PM, Christopherr wrote: And just to put the icing on the cake, have this. Marijuana makes you a worse student and can possibly cause a number of mental disorders.

You do have to look at this study, as with all studies, through a grain of salt. They also found a rather strong positive correlation between people who brush their teeth and average life span, but that doesn't mean brushing your teeth makes you live longer. It just means people who live longer due to healtheir lifestyles also brush their teeth.

Going in the other direction, your study probably just shows that deadbeats smoke weed, because they have nothing better to do. Let's quote your study: "Depression, anxiety, and personality disturbances are all associated with marijuana use." Notice how they say "are all associcated with" and not "are caused by" ... because they don't know if it's a cause, or if depressed, anxious people are more likely to smoke weed.

Let's take a look at this excerpt:

Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely than their coworkers to have problems on the job. Several studies have associated workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover. A study among postal workers found that employees who tested positive for marijuana on a pre-employment urine drug test had 55 percent more industrial accidents, 85 percent more injuries, and a 75 percent increase in absenteeism compared with those who tested negative for marijuana use.

Again, this can be explained the same way: The same people who tend to use drugs also tend to be more passive-aggressive about their responsibilities, and contribute less to the company they work for. I guess if this study actually proves anything, it could just be that drugs tests can be a good way of giving someone a personality test. This study doesn't show that weed causes these problems... there's a difference between a study or survey and a controlled laboratory test.

technically, marijuana is not illegal, you just need a prescription. As with most other drugs and medicine, theyre illegal if you dont have prescription.

At 3/4/08 06:13 PM, JoeyRamone wrote: Let me brak it down for you. Marijuana is a gateway drug.

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There is no proof to this claim.
If you are correct ,myself & most of my friends should have graduated to 'harder drugs' , Hell I smoked my first joint in Junior high, grade seven . That's way over ten years ago... that's over fifteen years ago ,I still smoke pot from time to time.
I have used it in the past to help allevate pain , so I don't have to take codiene, or like last year morphine after they sent me home from the hospital, after my accident I had almost tearing my left foot off.
Pot helps me compartmentalise the pain... it's still there, but it isn't overpowering.
And unlike perscription painkillers(poison) I can actually eat food to help my body in the healing process.

So If your correct I should be right on the edge / gateway for stronger drugs... right?
Well tell me Mr. know it all, why didn't I just suck up all the morphine they would give me?
Why when I went to my check ups & they tried to give me more perscriptions of Morphine didn't I take them?
Hell, I could have 'sold' the morphine & used the money to get more pot or other hard drugs .
But I didn't.

Maybe I'm one in a million ?
But how does that explain all my friends & relatives who don't do that Harder drug shit either?

maybe it has to do with us having common sense... which really , really isn't very common

Oh shit!

Drugs are ILLEGAL?!?!?

WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME?!

At 3/4/08 08:42 PM, morefngdbs wrote: There is no proof to this claim.
If you are correct ,myself & most of my friends should have graduated to 'harder drugs' , Hell I smoked my first joint in Junior high, grade seven . That's way over ten years ago... that's over fifteen years ago ,I still smoke pot from time to time.
I have used it in the past to help allevate pain , so I don't have to take codiene, or like last year morphine after they sent me home from the hospital, after my accident I had almost tearing my left foot off.
Pot helps me compartmentalise the pain... it's still there, but it isn't overpowering.
And unlike perscription painkillers(poison) I can actually eat food to help my body in the healing process.

There are some things you just dont tell people. Especially telling people that you're crackhead. I understand that you probably just take it to releive pain, but letting people know that you take crack sort of destroys their image of you.

At 3/4/08 08:42 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 3/4/08 06:13 PM, JoeyRamone wrote: Let me brak it down for you. Marijuana is a gateway drug.

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There is no proof to this claim.

I'm proof. I've done acid. All of my friends have done somthing harder than pot. There are always exceptions to the rule, but you should know that, right?

Well tell me Mr. know it all, why didn't I just suck up all the morphine they would give me?

It amuses me how people get so combative when you mess with their drugs. Not everyone gets the opportunity or the craving for harder drugs. But you admit that you are still a user and risk getting caught. Do you know how difficult it is to get a well paying job with a drug offence on your record?

:: maybe it has to do with us having common sense... which really , really isn't very common

I hate to break it to you budddy, but it's not very sensible to be smoking in the first place.

At 3/4/08 05:43 PM, Christopherr wrote:

At 3/4/08 02:03 AM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote: Nope weed has no side effects beside getting high. None, no mental problems or heart problems and it doesn't cause cancer. Safe. The reason people who smoke weed SOMETIMES go to bigger drugs is often due to drug dealers convincing them. However if it was legal then you could just nip down the chemist to get some who would suggest you keep to the legal drug rather than the harder stuff

Umm, it doesn't cause physical problems. It just makes you want to come back for more, because it just feels so much better than the regular world. This negatively affects productivity.

I think you'll find this is not because of the drug. Weed addiction is basically the same as Cake addiction. It doesn't have anything like nicotine the people just like it so they keep doing it. You can't blame weed for this.

I've met very few smart potheads. A lot of lazy-ass retarded potheads, but not many smart ones.

Again it's not the pot.

And just to put the icing on the cake, have this. Marijuana makes you a worse student and can possibly cause a number of mental disorders. So uh... sit and spin.

Possibly. Key word here is possibly. Give me proof. Otherwise these claims are invalid.

And now onto: Why is it that those who smoke weed are lazier?
Well those who get high are prboablly doing it when they should be doing some damn work. I think that even before they smoke the weed they would be goofing off. Weed attracts that sort of people. Again they are just using it as entertainment, they don't work hard and they don't care but none of this is weed's fault.

So you sir sit on that and if you wish spin.

At 3/4/08 01:39 PM, dySWN wrote:

At 3/4/08 02:03 AM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote: Nope weed has no side effects beside getting high. None, no mental problems or heart problems and it doesn't cause cancer. Safe.

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I understand why the stronger drugs are illegal, it's because they cause a powerful physical addiction and the withdrawal could actually kill you.

Weed has no physical addiction. It's safer than smoking cigarettes. I honestly tried to do a report one time on why drugs are bad (we had to pick a specific drug) and I chose to do it on marijuana. I had to stop doing the report because the only side effects I could find were slowed reaction time and increased metabolism.

It doesn't make sense for weed to be illegal. It's not physically addicting, it's does the body no physical harm (it doesn't even need to be smoked), and it actually increases our desire to consume... imagine that, it's good for consumerism. There could defiantly be multi-million dollar corporations that product it, but no, why give the hippies money - then they might influence politics for real.

At 3/3/08 10:18 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: Actually, crack is a lot more dangerous than alcohol and tobacco. In fact, pure cocaine can make your heart explode.

Not really, but it'll still kill you.

In fact, pure alcohol can too. Even alcohol thinned out to 1/3's it's strength can kill you (weak vodka is about 35%, and you can clearly die of an overdose of that).
But still, I'm for cocaine being illegal. Cannabis? Now that's another matter.

At 3/4/08 06:13 PM, JoeyRamone wrote: Let me brak it down for you. Marijuana is a gateway drug.

Yes it is, and so are caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol.

How many heroinists do you think didn't start with alcohol?

At 3/4/08 01:58 PM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote:
Give me one side effect from a scientific study.

Apart from what I've written below, there is:
Hunger. Source
The THC may continue via the breast milk into a breastfeeding baby (not really a side effect, but surely an unwanted effect). Source: The Merck Manual of Medical Information (Home Edition)
Brain damage to a fetus. Source.

It came out negative for cancer by scientific studies.

No, it didn't. It increases the risk of lung cancer. http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNew s/idUSHKG10478820080129

About 20 times worse than tobacco, nice. Well, most people don't smoke 30 joints a day while many people smoke 30 cigarettes a day, but anyway, cannabis smoking increases risk of cancer.

At 3/5/08 09:43 AM, Sajberhippien wrote:

At 3/4/08 01:58 PM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote:
Give me one side effect from a scientific study.

Apart from what I've written below, there is:
Hunger. Source

Thanks for that. You couldn't just quote it, it seems to be just an overview of weed, and I don't want to read it all to find this small piece of information.

The THC may continue via the breast milk into a breastfeeding baby (not really a side effect, but surely an unwanted effect). Source: The Merck Manual of Medical Information (Home Edition)

Well I can't check you on this so I'll assume it's true.

Brain damage to a fetus. Source.

I didn't know this. But the link states that it has a lesser affect than both Alcohol and Cigarettes.

It came out negative for cancer by scientific studies.

No, it didn't. It increases the risk of lung cancer. http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNew s/idUSHKG10478820080129

About 20 times worse than tobacco, nice. Well, most people don't smoke 30 joints a day while many people smoke 30 cigarettes a day, but anyway, cannabis smoking increases risk of cancer.

20? I thought it said 5. Well people who live a weed smoking life style definitely don't smoke as much as cigarette smokers and are often far less likely to get cancer, although I knew it shared things with tobacco I didn't know it was proven. But weed smokers are less likely to get cancer. Everything weed dose cigarettes do worse and if introduced today would be illegal. I say either make weed legal or make cigarettes illegal. Sourcey Sourcey for claims made in paragraph. Except cigarettes bein illegal in today if introduced because that was in a new article.

At 3/4/08 08:56 PM, arcansi wrote:

At 3/4/08 08:42 PM, morefngdbs wrote: There is no proof to this claim.
Pot helps me compartmentalise the pain... it's still there, but it isn't overpowering.
And unlike perscription painkillers(poison) I can actually eat food to help my body in the healing process.

There are some things you just dont tell people. Especially telling people that you're crackhead. I understand that you probably just take it to releive pain, but letting people know that you take crack sort of destroys their image of you.

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I'm not a crack head LOLOLOLOLOLOLOl
I smoke pot for pain INSTEAD OF TAKING MORPHINE.... that a doctor gave me for pain.
But I don't even like to take asprin.
Any of the pills that Doctors perscribe are often very hard on your system.
They damage your liver ( I save mine for booze thanks) your kidney's, not too mention what they can do to blood pressure & your heart.

I am probably one of only a few people who have smoked a little pot that has no interest in any of the other "Hard Drugs" out there.
I mean shit when you can get a legal prescription for morphine & you turn it down ! ! !

I ask you does that sound like someone who does hard drugs?

my god man, you must have misread or your a moron.

At 3/5/08 12:31 AM, JoeyRamone wrote:

At 3/4/08 08:42 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

maybe it has to do with us having common sense... which really , really isn't very common

I hate to break it to you budddy, but it's not very sensible to be smoking in the first place.

Says you... just because your brainwashed by the gov. position that "ALL drugs are bad, & marijuanna is a drug" Well dude putting Pot in the same category as Meth or Speed or Crack is like saying a guy convicted of speeding in his car should be sentenced & serve the same amount of time as a murderer.

There is no comparing POT to any of that other Poisonous Garbage out there- except 'the Gov. says its bad... the gov. says its a gateway drug... the gov says lots of shit most of it is B.S.
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I make $ 30.00 + dollars an hour, own my own rental business , my own home & I run a crew of riggers all of us are Unionized.
I think I'm just going to keep doing it my way. seems to be working for me.

Pot the gateway drug what imbecilic moronic tool in the Gov. came up with that B.S.
What's really sad is that some of you are stupid enough to believe it.

Like really I wrote all of my papers while I was high and I got a B in the class.

Hm... thats lot of people who yearn 30$ out there, and they are druggies... hm... oh yes - barely any! Marijuana may keep you from wanting to improve - I mean, you are alredy happy - whats the need for better job?

At 3/5/08 11:29 AM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote:

Apart from what I've written below, there is:
Hunger. Source

Thanks for that. You couldn't just quote it, it seems to be just an overview of weed, and I don't want to read it all to find this small piece of information.

Well, I gave you a source, if you don't want to read it (or simply use ctrl+f or ctrl+r depending on program), you'll just have to take my word for it. Munchies exist.

The THC may continue via the breast milk into a breastfeeding baby (not really a side effect, but surely an unwanted effect). Source: The Merck Manual of Medical Information (Home Edition)

Well I can't check you on this so I'll assume it's true.

Brain damage to a fetus. Source.

I didn't know this. But the link states that it has a lesser affect than both Alcohol and Cigarettes.

Yeah, I've never said anything else. However, both Alcohol and Tobacco are considered severe drugs by the World Health Organisation (I can find you sources on that, if you need). Read in the newspaper that tobacco is considered the third most addictive drug (of the commonly used) after cocaine and heroine, they too used WHO as source but I don't know the exact study.

No, it didn't. It increases the risk of lung cancer. http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNew s/idUSHKG10478820080129

About 20 times worse than tobacco, nice. Well, most people don't smoke 30 joints a day while many people smoke 30 cigarettes a day, but anyway, cannabis smoking increases risk of cancer.

But weed smokers are less likely to get cancer.

Not less than people that don't smoke either.
Using your way of arguing, I can say that "it's harmless to be run over by a buss, since less people survive being overrun by a train".

Still, these are only the ones they are sure about. For many other side effects, they don't know. That's not the same as they know cannabis isn't the source. For example: Cannabis users are overrepresented in people with psychosises. They are not sure if this is because cannabis gives them psychosises, or because people with for example schizophrenia (spelling?) smoke cannabis to lower the other sympthoms. It could be the first reason, the second, or a mix of them. Right now, it's leaning towards being a mix. However, since they aren't 100% sure, I'm not using that as an argument. But stating that cannabis has been proved harmless is a flat out lie.

YES, tobacco and alcohol is in many ways far more dangerous; Alcohol because of the addiction, physical damage, the psychological damage, and the direct effects (violent behavior, for example), and tobacco because of the extreme addiction and very high physical damage to the body. Also, you can die from an overdose alcohol, but it's nearly impossible to die of an overdose cannabis (if you actually try, you could probably, eating half a pund of digestive cannabis (don't know it's english name) is actually lethal).

At 3/5/08 08:06 PM, gufu wrote: Hm... thats lot of people who yearn 30$ out there, and they are druggies... hm... oh yes - barely any! Marijuana may keep you from wanting to improve - I mean, you are alredy happy - whats the need for better job?

So people shouldn't be allowed to be happy since that'll keep them from trying to get a better job?
Well, that's great. I guess we should outlaw love too.

At 3/5/08 06:49 PM, morefngdbs wrote: There is no comparing POT to any of that other Poisonous Garbage out there- except 'the Gov. says its bad... the gov. says its a gateway drug... the gov says lots of shit most of it is B.S.

WHO has made a comparision, I could see if I could find it, it's somewhere on their site.
In terms of addiction for example, I know that the both tobacco and alcohol were in top 10, while cannabis nearly didn't make the list.