Why are Drugs illegal

[Republican1235]

i dont understand why crack and other drugs are illegal. they feel just as good as alcohol and are just as deadly as tobacco. i should have the freedom to smoke as much pot as i want (i dont smoke) as long as it doesn't take away anyone elses freedom. the war on drugs is also redirecting our forces from much, much more important things: Homeland security, The war in Iraq and Afghanistan. and the war on terrorism. Until someone has proof that the 9/11 hijackers were high, I say scrap or at least lessen the DEA.

[B-McGee]

decriminalize, not legalize

[carbanonzo]

At 3/3/08 02:32 AM, Republican1235 wrote: i dont understand why crack and other drugs are illegal. they feel just as good as alcohol and are just as deadly as tobacco. i should have the freedom to smoke as much pot as i want (i dont smoke) as long as it doesn't take away anyone elses freedom. the war on drugs is also redirecting our forces from much, much more important things: Homeland security, The war in Iraq and Afghanistan. and the war on terrorism. Until someone has proof that the 9/11 hijackers were high, I say scrap or at least lessen the DEA.

Specifically for the drug cannabis more commonly know by the spanish slang name given to it (marijuana) was rendered illegal through serious amounts of lobbying in congress. This lobbying was done on behalf of the oil industry. Perhaps you've done research on the "green" benefits of hemp or marijuana. If I remember the statistic correctly approximately 10,000 products can be made from hemp. In fact the use of cannabis as a medicine was widespread until the 1930`s, when the pharmas realised that crude oil had similar hemical signatures. Except that oil-derived medicines have many side effects, however due to the "laws" of supply and demand (if you would like to call them that) it was obviously in the interest of the oil industry to charge people for a scarce resource that they could hardly fathom the infastructure to produce themselves and charge for it; rather than to let people from an abundant resource that they could grow in their backyard thus eliminating the oil industries ability to capitalize on it. As for other drugs, I wouldn't doubt that the reasons for their illegality are similiar.

[stafffighter]

We already have topics about this

[JudgeDredd]

But let's clear on 1 thing thou, am i right in thinking [crack] cocaine is now generally cheaper or easier to score than weed in US larger cities? And if so, isn't the War on Drugs having the result of raising the occurance of more serious drug users, with a higher reward system for dealers, which in-turn, heightens the need for an increased War on Drugs.

[KeithHybrid]

Actually, crack is a lot more dangerous than alcohol and tobacco. In fact, pure cocaine can make your heart explode.

Not really, but it'll still kill you.

[evilXbanana]

At 3/3/08 10:59 AM, KemCab wrote: Um, because it kills you. That's why legit drugs have prescriptions so it's harder for idiots to abuse them.

its takes one thousand times the effective dose of weed to kill you.

Also, drugs are a negative impact on society because addiction causes addicts to commit crimes to support their habit.

Unless of course the druggy has a job to pay for his addiction. I once read a study that not only do people commit crimes to fund their habits but also to fund their dinner.

Now if you have any more facts that mommy and the police have fed you, feel free to share.

[evilXbanana]

Oh, it's government propaganda, right.
Next time I try crystal meth I'll get back to you on that.

I highly recommend it. I used to share the anti-drug sentiment until trying some myself, at least the non-addictive things like weed anyway. In my experience with drugs and the cultures (note the plural it's important) surrounding them I have found that drug use it more often an effect instead of a cause. Somebody with a terrible home life might do drugs as an escape; there are the people I believe you see when you thing about drugs. These people really don't represent the majority as frankly their lifestyle is do destructive that they can't maintain themselves. Most drug users treat drugs like a recreational activity like video games or going to the movies. These people are often times just using the drugs as a part of socializing and enjoying themselves.

Drugs are not inherently bad like a gun is not bad. It is a persons right to be able to exercise personal responsibility with potentially dangerous things but ignorance in people creates fear of things that the various media portray as characteristic of the criminal elements of society.

Really the only way for you understand is see firsthand that drugs are not so bad. So yes, hit that meth and get back to me.

[dySWN]

At 3/3/08 11:48 AM, evilXbanana wrote: Really the only way for you understand is see firsthand that drugs are not so bad. So yes, hit that meth and get back to me.

I don't need to try drinking bleach to know that it would be generally not in my best interests.

[Noolie]

How can you be a republican and support drugs!?! those things will kill you just like my Uncle.

[dySWN]

At 3/3/08 11:48 AM, evilXbanana wrote: Really the only way for you understand is see firsthand that drugs are not so bad. So yes, hit that meth and get back to me.

I don't need to drink bleach to know that doing so would be detrimental to my health.

[KeithHybrid]

Hey, OP, remember when I said pure cocaine can kill you?
Think i'm wrong?
Try it yourself, then if you're still alive, lemme know.

Darwinism FTW

[KeithHybrid]

I meant evilbanana or whatever his name is. Sorry, OP. ^^;

[The-Hydra-of-Spore]

Depends on the drugs. A drug like weed should be legal. We have studied it and there are no side effects, it causes no heart problems and unlike cigarretes does not cause cancer. We have also studied the addiction of it and it seems it is merely mental like say... cake. People like it and want more but they don't NEED it as much as say someone addicted to ciggarettes. Therefor it has zero side effects... except getting high, which isn't that big a problem. So weed should be legal, but stronger drugs... perhaps not. Personally I have little self control, so I stay away from cigarettes and weed, and drink very little alcohol.

[Sistine1408]

Hey, pot's good in my book. I'd probably have done some by now if I wasn't a socially retarded straight-edged bastard for most of my life.

Meth is a different story, though...That shit is proven to fuck you up. And I've seen it in action--I wanna get high, but that's somethign else entirely. I'm all for high highs and low lows, but meth really fucks up that cycle. It's like a 3-day high off of one good dose or something, man. Crazy. That just ain't natural...which would explain why the stuff has fuckin' bleach in it.

[HairyFreak]

they did a documentary about drugs and legal and illegal druf related deaths. it was called the top 20 killer drugs or something they came in order of how deadly they were from 20 not that bad to 1 high fatality rate. it went through them and there was a lot of illegal drugs before the legal drugs (alchol and tobbaco came in the first 5. wth. did anyone lese hear about it/watch it, it was in the uk only i think.

[kamil-fucker]

if you would legalize it, it would totally worthless. shit like heroine is fucking addictive, and if it's cheap & easy to get every1 would use it, because it makes you feel so great, people wouldn't care if they get addicted because there will enough and cheap, so in a short periode of time, the world would consist mostly of junkies >.>

[The-Hydra-of-Spore]

At 3/3/08 04:25 PM, kamil-fucker wrote: if you would legalize it, it would totally worthless. shit like heroine is fucking addictive, and if it's cheap & easy to get every1 would use it, because it makes you feel so great, people wouldn't care if they get addicted because there will enough and cheap, so in a short periode of time, the world would consist mostly of junkies >.>

Heroine, yeah that should probably be kept illegal.

But weed is in a whole different world. It should be legalized. Pity if the government tried it some religious fanatics would go ape shit crazy.

[AdamRice]

At 3/3/08 02:18 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Hey, OP, remember when I said pure cocaine can kill you?
Think i'm wrong?
Try it yourself, then if you're still alive, lemme know.

Darwinism FTW

Although high enough doses of cocaine can kill you, the idea that pure cocaine is more deadly is a bit of misnomer. I would much rather do pure coke as opposed to shit coke that is cut to hell with amphetamines, lidocaine, caffeine, baking soda, and god knows what else(read: things that are far worse then cocaine). In most cases, people are buying very inferior coke and simply mistaking the "coke high" with what is actually an "amphetamine high" from the cut.

The same principles apply to heroin, another drug that is often cut to hell. Go watch American gangster. Blue magic, 100% pure, and half the cost of the shit everyone else sells. All because the middle man was eliminated. This business model puts the competition (the other drug dealers and gangs) out of business.

I sometimes question why any drugs are illegal, and feel that it would be more fair and interesting if the government regulated, sold, and taxed all of it. Organized drug crime would be completely dispelled because they could not compete with the lower prices and higher purity of US goverment marketed cocaine, heroin, opium, hydrocodone, oxycodone, marijuana, etc...

My only concern for this idea, is that some of these substances are habit forming to the point where people are likely to commit crimes to pay for their drugs. Although I'm not sure it would actually go down that way, you can figure that cigarettes have an addiction potential on par with the heavy stuff and no one ever goes on a shooting rampage when they are low on cash and having a serious nic fit.

I don't really have enough data on the subject to clearly say what would happen in this country if all drugs were legalized and their sale completely controlled by the government. I have a suspicion that things would be better than they are right now. I see the elimination of all the shady middle men drug dealers, gangs, and foreign countries as beneficial.

[morefngdbs]

At 3/3/08 04:43 PM, AdamRice wrote: Although high enough doses of cocaine can kill you, the idea that pure cocaine is more deadly is a bit of misnomer. I would much rather do pure coke as opposed to shit coke that is cut to hell with amphetamines, lidocaine, caffeine, baking soda, and god knows what else

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First of all I want to go on record for saying Coke, Crack, Meth, PCP , Heroine & any of the other chemical shit out there is poisonous garbage & your a moronic imbecillic idiot for trying any of that shit.

Pot (the bud's actually), Hash etc. is dervived from a plant & unless some scumbag has "spiked" it with amphetamines & ruined it , plus it can now cause irreputable harm.
Pot in my opinion shouldn't even be listed with the terrible scourge on mankind that the other drugs are.

if you have half a clue ,it's easy to get pure cocaine out of the mix of shit its cut with.

But you have to know how !

and I'm not telling you how to do it, your better off not knowing .

[AdamRice]

At 3/3/08 04:54 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

if you have half a clue ,it's easy to get pure cocaine out of the mix of shit its cut with.

But you have to know how !

and I'm not telling you how to do it, your better off not knowing .

I'm aware. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's easy. Some of the chemicals are difficult to find or expensive because they must be purchased in bulk.

[morefngdbs]

At 3/3/08 04:59 PM, AdamRice wrote:

At 3/3/08 04:54 PM, morefngdbs wrote: But you have to know how !

I'm aware. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's easy. Some of the chemicals are difficult to find or expensive because they must be purchased in bulk.

;
actually to get pure coke out of a mixture of shit it's cut with , doesn't take any expensive chemicals etc.
I was shown how to do this by a friend who's trained in chemistry... & being a chemist has nothing to do with it.

it's actually quite simple . That's the worse thing about it !

[JackPhantasm]

The only reason, AND I DO MEAN THE ONLY REASON, drugs are illegal is because the US wants to have a war against something.

They want crime rates to go up.

They want people to be addicted.

They want drug dealers to be successful, because this gives them someone to point fingers at.

Lol at people who said, "IT'S ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT CAUSES CRIME." What you really mean to say is, "IT CAUSES CRIME BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL."

Duh.

[SU1CIDEB0MB3R]

the central bank doesnt make any money off of it is why its illegal and if it was legal than the goverment would be giving people responsability for their actions which will never happen

[JackPhantasm]

You realize that us going into Columbia and telling them to stop with the cocaine and whatnot is like the government of Brazil telling us to stop making guns because they end up in their slums.

[Extremewookie]

Might as well ask why stupidity is outlawed.

[JackPhantasm]

At 3/3/08 08:19 PM, Extremewookie wrote: Might as well ask why stupidity is outlawed.

News flash: It isn't.

Evidence: Your post.

[Christopherr]

At 3/3/08 11:19 AM, evilXbanana wrote: its takes one thousand times the effective dose of weed to kill you.

It only takes a daily dosage of it to eventually turn you into a functional retard. It's also been shown to be a gateway to the hardcore drugs.

[RaharuHaruha]

great thread.

[MindControlFun]

How's this:

I have three points to bring up, 1) Drugs should be at the very least decriminalized, if not entirely legal and otc. I think it would be great to have rehabilitation centers and private institutions helping people who are addicted to drugs, just as we have the same thing for tobacco and alcohol addicts now. But they should be legal and allowed.

2) I have smoked weed. Most people you get in here say they don't smoke it and think it should be legal, well I have. I'm not a stoner who smokes all the time, and I don't want weed legal so I can smoke it. In fact, I don't really ever want to smoke again, or my friends to smoke again. It kinda sucks when the people you hang out with are all deadbeats who want to just get high every weekend.

3) That being said, it should be their right to do that. I mean when you're high, you look like a total idiot running around and just laughing at everything, etc. I've seen it first hand (as I'm sure many of you have), and it's just... stupid.. not something that anyone should really do. But who is the government to be our babysitter, to save us from ourselves?

All in all, I see no difference between making narcotics and suicide illegal, for example. Or driving a car, that's pretty damn dangerous. If you want someone to hold your hand and keep you from making the wrong decisions, then hire a nanny. And if you want someone to make decisions for others you've never even met before, don't bother.

I hope my thoughts aren't too disorganized.