Newgrounds.com — Everything, By Everyone.

lets play a game;

Contestant = You

Step 1: Name your Country:
Step 2: Name the [majority] Race and religion of your country:
Step 3: Name any president, prime minister, dictator, King, sultan, etc, who does NOT match with that 'stuff' you listed above. [Race and religion]
Step 4: Take the names of people who you SUPPORTED [agreed with] as leaders from step 3, and place them in a second list.
Step 5: Rub your racial tolerance in Cellardoor's face.

At 3/12/08 08:01 PM, KardedKattle wrote:

At 3/12/08 07:55 PM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote:

Well I'll own up to that.

But I still don't like the prospect of Hillary being president. Her platform is that she'll bring back the Clinton years, and if that's not just a politician's promise, we can look forward to 4 years of america being sold to the highest bidder.

Honestly, I don't like the prospect of any of the candidates. I don't know big names have to win. I would love to see Gravel, Kucinich, or Edwards still in the race.

At this point, since I turn 18 this April and will be voting for a candidate, I will be voting for the candidate I dislike the least. And at this point, it's Hillary.

I strongly disagree with the war, and when McCain says we need to stay there for the next 100 years, that frightens me. We are not Rome. We should not occupy other countries, especially those that posed no threat.

I dislike Obama's character a lot. He's an arrogant prick, with no reason to be. He thinks he's a big shot because he's a Senator, while the other remaining candidates are as well. And he's a Senator from Iowa, which, well, is not a very significant state. Not to mention, he never elaborates on things. He's vague, an empty canvas (as he himself puts it in his book). He preaches CHANGE! And elaborates very little. He has been held as Jesus by Liberal media, and receives little, if any fire from media sources (outside of Fox, who are wackos anyhow) while Hillary and McCain and under constant attack. And I truly believe it is out of fear of being perceived as racist to attack him.

And say what you want about the Clintons in the Whitehouse, or about their support of NAFTA during Bill's presidency. Hillary has already addressed that NAFTA was a mistake, and no longer supports it. She admitted it. I do not think she has intent at all to sell this country to the highest bidder, as you put it. And at this point, is, at least in my opinion, the best candidate left. But best does not mean good by any means.

i will have to disagree with the OP since although such things like his religious affiliation would claim a black bias, the fact is is that he was rarely involved with the African American community well.... throughout his life, more than any other. I think this is thought-out, but misled.

At 3/12/08 09:56 PM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote: Stuff

Obama is from Illinois, and if you rethink your priorities and look at what each candidate has to offer, I'm sure you would find Mccain more appealing. A year ago I would have never thought of backing anyone labeled with an (R), but now I'm a believer... or rather a disbeliever with the democratic party.

Howard Dean and Al Gore ruined it.

The prices of grape drink and chicken will PLUMMET

Also

At 3/13/08 03:15 AM, n64kid wrote:

At 3/12/08 09:56 PM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote: Stuff

Obama is from Illinois,

Yea, I mixed it up.

and if you rethink your priorities and look at what each candidate has to offer, I'm sure you would find Mccain more appealing. A year ago I would have never thought of backing anyone labeled with an (R), but now I'm a believer... or rather a disbeliever with the democratic party.

I do not find McCain appealing. I do not agree with his policies very much. And he does not support net neutrality.

Here's a small table.

http://www.2decide.com/table.htm

Going down the list, I agree with him on very few of the issues.

Howard Dean and Al Gore ruined it.

I don't see what either did. All people say about Dean is "YAAAAH" and they attack Gore for making "An Inconvenient Truth" and supporting the environment, which I cannot see as a bad thing, even IF global warming is a farce. Fighting for the environment is a good cause.

At 3/13/08 02:21 PM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote: Here's a small table.

http://www.2decide.com/table.htm

Going down the list, I agree with him on very few of the issues.

That list isn't right and/or isn't up to date. It also fails to elaborate. Mccain has said that he would never outlaw abortions, and has brought up vouchers, which is a better plan than "no child left behind"

At 3/13/08 02:21 PM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote:

Al Gore is criticized for AIC not because of the environmental implications, but because it was a poor quality documentary, there are other movies and video's that provide MUCH more information on global warming, factual or otherwise, about global warming, and yet AIC got a nobel peace prize.

I watched AIC and made an interesting realization, Al gore does not say 1 single thing about the effects of global warming. Somone completely ignorant of global warming, after watching his movie would be incapable of telling me 1 single effect of global warming. [mind you, temperature increases]

That prize could have, and should have belonged to a variety of other movies that were done more diligently.

On Topic: Obama - My faith and my church

"Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn."

Musician, there is one problem. He's gone to Sunday mass for this pastor for 20 years, AT LEAST 1 to one and a half hour sermons... If i am to assume that Obama is like most Americans, and does not beleive the hate message preached by reverend write, How could Obama even stand to stay and listen to this man preaching about white devils, evil Jews, and 'blacks should be singing god damn america'. It's like forcing a jew to attend Sunday catholic mass, Why not just leave?

Furthermore, of all the reverands in all of the churches in the region, why did he pick, and STAY WITH the one reverend who's hate message could have easily been supplemented by a more peace loving black protestant with an equal dedication to god, without the hatred. He had 20 years to change his mind, but no change was made.

Also, why are pastors of the UTCC on the Obama campaign team if obama claims they do not influence his descisions. It's like me appointing total strangers to be my school election campaign advisers. = no logic

"Recalibrated my moral compass."

The words used by Obama to describe the work of Write.

Why should i beleive that NOTHING that reverand write has ever said has ever influenced Obama's opinion of america and white people as well as jews and the united states government?

If i went to a school run by the KKK for 20 years, and i told you that i was not influenced by them in any way, except that their conviction inspired my faith [etc. etc.] Why would you beleive me?

And why couldn't have Obama have said straight out that i 'do not beleive in the white devil' 'i do not beleive that Judaism is a gutter religion'

Why couldn't he have said those things if, [if i am to asume, that Obama does not agree with this man] doing so would be perceived as much more genuine, and VERY possible. [For the same reason that i as a person could go and say that i do not hate black people, because i DON'T]

I need those questions answered, badly, because it was only recently that i believed Obama to be a genuine figure, prove my skepticism false.

yeah know cellardoor this is the first time you have succesfully changed my mind on an issue.
i congragulate you =D

At 3/14/08 10:58 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Musician, there is one problem. He's gone to Sunday mass for this pastor for 20 years

You should also mention that Wright performed the ceremony for Barack and Michelle's wedding, and also baptized both of their daughters.

At 3/14/08 10:58 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Musician, there is one problem. He's gone to Sunday mass for this pastor for 20 years, AT LEAST 1 to one and a half hour sermons... If i am to assume that Obama is like most Americans, and does not beleive the hate message preached by reverend write, How could Obama even stand to stay and listen to this man preaching about white devils, evil Jews, and 'blacks should be singing god damn america'. It's like forcing a jew to attend Sunday catholic mass, Why not just leave?

Who says he was preaching that? Obama's already stated that he's shocked and angered by the reverends recent comments. If we're believing Obama, then obviously the reverend was never so outspoken before.

Furthermore, of all the reverands in all of the churches in the region, why did he pick, and STAY WITH the one reverend who's hate message could have easily been supplemented by a more peace loving black protestant with an equal dedication to god, without the hatred. He had 20 years to change his mind, but no change was made.

the same reason as above, Reverend isn't exactly a personal position, it's quite possible that all he did was read passages from the bible and interpret them, I haven't been to church a lot, but when I went there as a kid, the priest didn't usually tell us his personal feelings on political issues.

Also, why are pastors of the UTCC on the Obama campaign team if obama claims they do not influence his descisions. It's like me appointing total strangers to be my school election campaign advisers. = no logic

First of all, how about you provide a source for that. secondly, Just because they're members of the church doesn't mean he picked them BECAUSE they're part of the church.

"Recalibrated my moral compass."

The words used by Obama to describe the work of Write.

Why should i beleive that NOTHING that reverand write has ever said has ever influenced Obama's opinion of america and white people as well as jews and the united states government?

Because there is nothing to support that Obama shares Wright's views other than baseless speculation. Nothing in his voting record, nothing in the bills he's drafted (which would be his personal agenda). Obama has come out and said he keeps his religion seperate from his politics, that's all the proof I need.

If i went to a school run by the KKK for 20 years, and i told you that i was not influenced by them in any way, except that their conviction inspired my faith [etc. etc.] Why would you beleive me?

If you were wearing white sheets? no. If you showed no signs whatsoever of being racist, then yeah I don't see why I wouldn't believe you.

And why couldn't have Obama have said straight out that i 'do not beleive in the white devil' 'i do not beleive that Judaism is a gutter religion'

Why couldn't he have said those things if, [if i am to asume, that Obama does not agree with this man] doing so would be perceived as much more genuine, and VERY possible. [For the same reason that i as a person could go and say that i do not hate black people, because i DON'T]

Why should he even have to? It's pretty obvious that he doesn't. Not to mention, Obama is half white, and was raised by a white family.

At 3/15/08 02:15 AM, Musician wrote:

At 3/14/08 10:58 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Musician, there is one problem. He's gone to Sunday mass for this pastor for 20 years, AT LEAST 1 to one and a half hour sermons... If i am to assume that Obama is like most Americans, and does not beleive the hate message preached by reverend write, How could Obama even stand to stay and listen to this man preaching about white devils, evil Jews, and 'blacks should be singing god damn america'. It's like forcing a jew to attend Sunday catholic mass, Why not just leave?

Who says he was preaching that? Obama's already stated that he's shocked and angered by the reverends recent comments. If we're believing Obama, then obviously the reverend was never so outspoken before.

You know nothing about the reverend then it seems, because his message has hardly changed. The reverends comments were hardly 'unrecent'. Let us say that Barack Obama, as a good christian would highly be likely to go to church on the Sunday after September 11th [A few days after the attacks, so i do not beleive he would be on any political lock down] Since he was still part of the UTCC by then. I wonder what sermon he would have NOT gotten wind of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xblZ6rx7L VQ

Wait till the end, because one of the facts i mentioned was also proven [about the campaign] If you were ever skeptical, also, this is msnbc, so i've taken the liberty of removing the fox news bias from the equation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar /14/barackobama.uselections2008

Obama before the right wing conspiracy scandals;

"Reverend Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life," he wrote. "... And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor and to seek justice at every turn."

Obama after the right wing conspiracy scandals;

"In a meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland earlier this month, Obama compared Wright to an "old uncle" who said disagreeable things. He went on to add: "I suspect there are some of the people in this room who have heard relatives say some things that they don't agree with, including, on occasion, directed at African Americans."

the same reason as above, Reverend isn't exactly a personal position, it's quite possible that all he did was read passages from the bible and interpret them, I haven't been to church a lot, but when I went there as a kid, the priest didn't usually tell us his personal feelings on political issues.

And the fact that this man isn't the usual preist, is what brought him to the public eye.

It's not the fact that the right wing pundits 'suspect' that the reverend makes these comments, it's that those comments were actually said, and said. 'The audacity of reverend wright' so to speak.

Also, why are pastors of the UTCC on the Obama campaign team if obama claims they do not influence his descisions. It's like me appointing total strangers to be my school election campaign advisers. = no logic

First of all, how about you provide a source for that. secondly, Just because they're members of the church doesn't mean he picked them BECAUSE they're part of the church.

The MSNBC article above states that members of the church [wright included] are part of his campaign.

"Recalibrated my moral compass."

The words used by Obama to describe the work of Write.

Why should i beleive that NOTHING that reverand write has ever said has ever influenced Obama's opinion of America and white people as well as jews and the united states government?

Because there is nothing to support that Obama shares Wright's views other than baseless speculation. Nothing in his voting record, nothing in the bills he's drafted (which would be his personal agenda). Obama has come out and said he keeps his religion seperate from his politics, that's all the proof I need.

If George bush says he honestly had no idea that there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq to begin with, and that he was 'fooled' by the UN weapons inspectors, did any of the left wing pundits ever give him the benefit of the doubt? Obama is no different of a politician he's just so much better at what he does.

If i went to a school run by the KKK for 20 years, and i told you that i was not influenced by them in any way, except that their conviction inspired my faith [etc. etc.] Why would you beleive me?

If you were wearing white sheets? no. If you showed no signs whatsoever of being racist, then yeah I don't see why I wouldn't believe you.

Even if i was a politician? A republican candidate for president? Would the media trust me? [Look at what happened to Romney, he had to make a whole speech [quite different from a few press conference] Because the media and the populace demanded to know Exactly what Mormonism did in his view points. Romney never got the benefit of the doubt that you [and so many left wing pundits] are giving Obama.

I could have just told the media myself, look at romney's website and his policy, does he show any indication of someone who wants to press Mormonism on the country? And it's not even like Romney had any deep connections to people who the media could have indicated as Mormon extremists. [And if they did, more power to my comments of the double standard]

And why couldn't have Obama have said straight out that i 'do not beleive in the white devil' 'i do not beleive that Judaism is a gutter religion'

Why couldn't he have said those things if, [if i am to asume, that Obama does not agree with this man] doing so would be perceived as much more genuine, and VERY possible. [For the same reason that i as a person could go and say that i do not hate black people, because i DON'T]

Why should he even have to? It's pretty obvious that he doesn't. Not to mention, Obama is half white, and was raised by a white family.

He doesn't have to, but it would be in Obama's character to do so, I envision a Barack obama being able to energize the white people and the Jews by telling them what the comments were, and that they were wrong. I envision an Obama who would have been able to 'unify the races', "He made some bad statements that i disagree with' is not something made by a unifier, it's something said by a politician who really doesn't know what to say; something i suspect Obama always was, but never showed [A politician]

At 3/15/08 09:39 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote:
You know nothing about the reverend then it seems, because his message has hardly changed. The reverends comments were hardly 'unrecent'. Let us say that Barack Obama, as a good christian would highly be likely to go to church on the Sunday after September 11th [A few days after the attacks, so i do not beleive he would be on any political lock down] Since he was still part of the UTCC by then. I wonder what sermon he would have NOT gotten wind of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xblZ6rx7L VQ

Wait till the end, because one of the facts i mentioned was also proven [about the campaign] If you were ever skeptical, also, this is msnbc,

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

so i've taken the liberty of removing the fox news bias from the equation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar /14/barackobama.uselections2008

Obama before the right wing conspiracy scandals;

"Reverend Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life," he wrote. "... And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor and to seek justice at every turn."

Obama after the right wing conspiracy scandals;

"In a meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland earlier this month, Obama compared Wright to an "old uncle" who said disagreeable things. He went on to add: "I suspect there are some of the people in this room who have heard relatives say some things that they don't agree with, including, on occasion, directed at African Americans."

What point are you trying to make exactly? I don't see a problem with either of those statements

It's not the fact that the right wing pundits 'suspect' that the reverend makes these comments, it's that those comments were actually said, and said. 'The audacity of reverend wright' so to speak.

The MSNBC article above states that members of the church [wright included] are part of his campaign.

Yeah, as his RELIGIOUS and SPIRITUAL advisers, not political advisors. You led me to believe they were part of his political campaign.

If George bush says he honestly had no idea that there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq to begin with, and that he was 'fooled' by the UN weapons inspectors, did any of the left wing pundits ever give him the benefit of the doubt? Obama is no different of a politician he's just so much better at what he does.

Only there's evidence to support that Bush misled the public regarding Iraq, and there's no evidence to support Barack Obama is racist, at all.

Even if i was a politician? A republican candidate for president?

I might be suspicious, but comparing the KKK to the trinity church is folly, the trinity church's policies are no where near as extreme.

Would the media trust me?

Probably not, but that's the media, we're talking about the same people who tried to pin Obama as a Muslim.

[Look at what happened to Romney, he had to make a whole speech [quite different from a few press conference] Because the media and the populace demanded to know Exactly what Mormonism did in his view points. Romney never got the benefit of the doubt that you [and so many left wing pundits] are giving Obama.

I could have just told the media myself, look at romney's website and his policy, does he show any indication of someone who wants to press Mormonism on the country? And it's not even like Romney had any deep connections to people who the media could have indicated as Mormon extremists. [And if they did, more power to my comments of the double standard]

I personally never minded Romney's religion, I never judged him by it. The reason I disliked Romney were because his policies were conservative and close minded. So yeah, if you're trying to say there's a double standard, then maybe there is right now in the media, but between you and me here, there is none.

He doesn't have to, but it would be in Obama's character to do so, I envision a Barack obama being able to energize the white people and the Jews by telling them what the comments were, and that they were wrong.

Where exactly did anyone accuse Obama of believing in the white devil, and even if they did, "I don't agree with his statements" basically says that he doesn't agree with any racist remarks that wright made.

I envision an Obama who would have been able to 'unify the races', "He made some bad statements that i disagree with' is not something made by a unifier, it's something said by a politician who really doesn't know what to say; something i suspect Obama always was, but never showed [A politician]

Only problem is his response to this issue WASN'T typical politician rhetoric. Sure, he denounced his comments, but he also admitted that he knew about them at the beginning of the campaign, and that he had decided to keep him on his spiritual guidance council because (even though he had said some disagreeable things), wright was obviously a friend of his, and nearing his retirement. If something like this had happened in the Clinton campaign, she would have feigned ignorance, denounced his comments, and fired him. Obama however, isn't firing wright, he (atleast he appears to be) is keeping wright on his council, because Obama has decided to possibly take a hit politically, rather than selling out a friend of his.

Hilary is a bad example of women, and if she becomes the next president and screws up then the world is gonna think women make horrible leaders and there might never be another female president.
Obama's way better, the first black president is better than the first horrible female president

At 3/15/08 02:51 PM, Xlenia wrote: Hilary is a bad example of women, and if she becomes the next president and screws up then the world is gonna think women make horrible leaders and there might never be another female president.
Obama's way better, the first black president is better than the first horrible female president

Irrelevant;

And Musician, please don't tell me you don't see a SINGLE contradiction between the context of the phrases involving 'Always' and 'Some'

At 3/15/08 04:33 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: And Musician, please don't tell me you don't see a SINGLE contradiction between the context of the phrases involving 'Always' and 'Some'

"... And the sermons I heard him preach"

At 3/15/08 02:14 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 3/14/08 10:58 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Musician, there is one problem. He's gone to Sunday mass for this pastor for 20 years

You should also mention that Wright performed the ceremony for Barack and Michelle's wedding, and also baptized both of their daughters.

See, in that regard, that's the only place we're going to agree with each other on point. Reverend Wright's views are pretty disgusting. Why do I say that? Because he fuses religion with elements of racism and views that do not represent main-stream America...to put it lightly. I don't care what the guy believes, but the fact that he's reportedly still taking an active part Barack Obama's campaign, THAT'S not right.

In that reguard, Reverend Wright's continued dirrect involvement in Barack Obama's campaign will heavily be a deciding factor in whether or not I will vote for Obama. The things he says should be called under the spot light and exposed and called out on.

I believe most of you're argument about Obama being connected to hypocritical double-standards is a bunch of hot air, to say the least. But the specific involvement of Wright in Obama's campaign will be an area where that claim is unquestionably validated; I want Wright out. He does not speak for me, and I certainly hope he doesn't speak for Barack Obama.

.... on that note, I just found out that as of yesterday, Wright officially left the Obama Campaign. That works for me.

At 3/15/08 04:35 PM, Musician wrote:

At 3/15/08 04:33 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: And Musician, please don't tell me you don't see a SINGLE contradiction between the context of the phrases involving 'Always' and 'Some'

"... And the sermons I heard him preach"

Why does Obama get the benefit of the doubt, that he conveniently never heard the 2 sermons mentioned above that came from his great mentor.

At 3/15/08 04:37 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Why does Obama get the benefit of the doubt, that he conveniently never heard the 2 sermons mentioned above that came from his great mentor.

How many sermons do you think he gave? How many do you think Obama attended? Why is the reverend suddenly Obama's "great mentor"?

At 3/15/08 04:41 PM, Musician wrote:

At 3/15/08 04:37 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Why does Obama get the benefit of the doubt, that he conveniently never heard the 2 sermons mentioned above that came from his great mentor.

How many sermons do you think he gave? How many do you think Obama attended? Why is the reverend suddenly Obama's "great mentor"?

I'm having trouble finding where obama quotes that Wright is his spiritual mentor...If you google search 'obama's spiritual mentor'

It MIGHT be here... i'll double check.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custo m/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271 630.story?page=1&coll=chi-religion-tophe adlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

I would think, that if Obama looks so highly of this church, as well as his own connection to jesus, i would think that he wouldn't have missed any sermons. [Atleast on a weekly basis]

At 3/15/08 04:56 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: I'm having trouble finding where obama quotes that Wright is his spiritual mentor...If you google search 'obama's spiritual mentor'

It MIGHT be here... i'll double check.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custo m/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271 630.story?page=1&coll=chi-religion-tophe adlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

Spiritual mentor != great mentor. A spiritual mentor is basically the religious equivalent of a doctor, a great mentor would be Mr. Miyagi from the Karate Kid.

I would think, that if Obama looks so highly of this church, as well as his own connection to jesus, i would think that he wouldn't have missed any sermons. [Atleast on a weekly basis]

Occam's Razor

At 3/15/08 04:37 PM, Nylo wrote:

At 3/15/08 02:14 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 3/14/08 10:58 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Musician, there is one problem. He's gone to Sunday mass for this pastor for 20 years

You should also mention that Wright performed the ceremony for Barack and Michelle's wedding, and also baptized both of their daughters.

See, in that regard, that's the only place we're going to agree with each other on point.

Um, it's just a simple fact.

Reverend Wright's views are pretty disgusting. Why do I say that? Because he fuses religion with elements of racism and views that do not represent main-stream America...to put it lightly.

And yet it apparently represents Obama because Obama has been a member of the man's congregation for 17 years, and has allowed the man to officiate his marriage and the baptism of his daughters. That's pretty significant.

I don't buy it when Obama says this is the first time he's been informed of some of those Sermons and views espoused by Wright. If he's been a member for almost 2 decades, yet involved with the church for longer than that, and has felt like he knew the man enough to allow him to oversee such important and significant ceremonies for his family, it's odd that he'd just now be made aware of the man's views.

I don't care what the guy believes, but the fact that he's reportedly still taking an active part Barack Obama's campaign, THAT'S not right.

The fact that Obama has been a member of the church for so long, and has been so connected to Wright, yet only now acknowledges and rejects the WACKY things Wright says, THAT'S not right. That sounds more like political maneuvering than any sincere articulation of Obama's actual view.

In that reguard, Reverend Wright's continued dirrect involvement in Barack Obama's campaign will heavily be a deciding factor in whether or not I will vote for Obama.

Pfft.

I believe most of you're argument about Obama being connected to hypocritical double-standards is a bunch of hot air, to say the least.

Try, applicable and significant FACT that someone such as yourself doesn't want to acknowledge due to how much your predetermined bias and political outlook clouds your entire perception of reality, destroying any shred of reason or objectivity in your thought process with regards to Obama.

But the specific involvement of Wright in Obama's campaign will be an area where that claim is unquestionably validated; I want Wright out. He does not speak for me, and I certainly hope he doesn't speak for Barack Obama.

Wow, that's completely bogus. What a deceptive houl you are considering now you say:

.... on that note, I just found out that as of yesterday, Wright officially left the Obama Campaign. That works for me.

Wow, what a hilariously ploy. You state that your vote is heavily influenced by whether or not Wright continues in Obama's campaign, and then in the very same post you act as if it THEN just came to your attention that Wright left the Obama campaign. Thus giving a false aura of sincerity to your claim that you were actually affected by this issue, as if it actually made you think twice about voting for Obama.

You said:
Reverend Wright's continued dirrect involvement in Barack Obama's campaign will heavily be a deciding factor in whether or not I will vote for Obama

Now you say (in the same post):
on that note, I just found out that as of yesterday, Wright officially left the Obama Campaign. That works for me.

-------

LOl.

It might have been more convincing and less obvious as a complete load of garbage had you actually separated these two trains of thought into different posts.

At 3/15/08 07:25 PM, Musician wrote:

At 3/15/08 04:56 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: I'm having trouble finding where obama quotes that Wright is his spiritual mentor...If you google search 'obama's spiritual mentor'

It MIGHT be here... i'll double check.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custo m/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271 630.story?page=1&coll=chi-religion-tophe adlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

Spiritual mentor != great mentor. A spiritual mentor is basically the religious equivalent of a doctor, a great mentor would be Mr. Miyagi from the Karate Kid.

I would think, that if Obama looks so highly of this church, as well as his own connection to jesus, i would think that he wouldn't have missed any sermons. [Atleast on a weekly basis]

Occam's Razor

Once again you give him an unfair advantage of assumption. "We will asume, given the fact that he had been obama's pastor for 17 years, and given obama's statement that 'this man is my spiritual mentor' that he contributed funds to the church, in 2006, that he had no idea that the pastor ever said those words, and as a result, chose not to denounce them until they were pointed out and he realized he had said them in the first place.

Falling back to the old analogy of the KKK, What if i told you that i went to a KKK school because i admired the religious fervor and dedication of the teachers in the school.

No mercy for me, no mercy for Obama.

At 3/16/08 10:53 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Once again you give him an unfair advantage of assumption. "We will asume, given the fact that he had been obama's pastor for 17 years, and given obama's statement that 'this man is my spiritual mentor' that he contributed funds to the church, in 2006, that he had no idea that the pastor ever said those words, and as a result, chose not to denounce them until they were pointed out and he realized he had said them in the first place.

You're making the assumption that his spiritual mentor is the equivalent of a guardian (raising him)
You're making the assumption that he attends church frequently
You're making the assumption that Obama will mix his religion with his politics and try to oppress white America or some crazy shit like that.

I'm only assuming that Obama is telling the truth. You're making more assumptions than me.

Falling back to the old analogy of the KKK, What if i told you that i went to a KKK school because i admired the religious fervor and dedication of the teachers in the school.

No mercy for me, no mercy for Obama.

First of all, the KKK isn't a religious group. Second of all, the KKK isn't even in the same range as the trinity church. Thirdly, going to church once every sunday != going to school for 6 hours 5 days a week.

If you had gone to a white favoring equivelent of the trinity church once a week, and sat down most of the time only to hear what you would hear in a normal church (passages/interpretations). Then no, I don't think it would be a bad thing. It might be interpreted differently, because whites don't have the same history as blacks, but overall the situation would be the same, and I don't have a problem with the trinity church, so I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Musician, Barack Obama said it himself;

HE IS A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN.

Therefore, he would obviously have ties with his pastor of two decades.

Occam's razor!?

LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!

Obama: "I didn't know my pastor of 20+ years was a racist"

Musician: "Sounds logical to me!"

lolwhataloser

At 3/16/08 02:11 PM, Musician wrote:

At 3/16/08 10:53 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Once again you give him an unfair advantage of assumption. "We will asume, given the fact that he had been obama's pastor for 17 years, and given obama's statement that 'this man is my spiritual mentor' that he contributed funds to the church, in 2006, that he had no idea that the pastor ever said those words, and as a result, chose not to denounce them until they were pointed out and he realized he had said them in the first place.

You're making the assumption that his spiritual mentor is the equivalent of a guardian (raising him)

Obama gives the man very high praise in his book.

You're making the assumption that he attends church frequently

Not a single thing about obama's history of the church proves that he visited INFREQUENTLY, enough to miss his spiritual mentor's bigoted sermons.

You're making the assumption that Obama will mix his religion with his politics and try to oppress white America or some crazy shit like that.

I never said that. I don't even beleive that. I enjoy watching obama squirm politically for the first time when, like hillary said, the media had been , up untill now, completely saintly to him. [undeservedly] I

I'm only assuming that Obama is telling the truth. You're making more assumptions than me.

Assumption which disregards Obama's history with the church and the factual information about it.
Almost 20 years of a self proclaimed close relationship [Fact] with the man who is on his campaign council [Fact] , then denies that he knew that he said those things.

First of all, the KKK isn't a religious group. Second of all, the KKK isn't even in the same range as the trinity church. Thirdly, going to church once every sunday != going to school for 6 hours 5 days a week.

The KKK is religiously based, and you will seldom find agnostic KKK's, And why are you getting numerical

If you had gone to a white favoring equivelent of the trinity church once a week, and sat down most of the time only to hear what you would hear in a normal church (passages/interpretations). Then no, I don't think it would be a bad thing. It might be interpreted differently, because whites don't have the same history as blacks, but overall the situation would be the same, and I don't have a problem with the trinity church, so I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Hardly matters that you are more kindhearted than the hordes of politically correct pundits who would snap at someone who went to a white separatist church. [The very notion is segregationist and looked down heavilly upon, There are no self proclaimed 'exclusively white' church.

Arg, i have to go sorry.