Fuck the UN and Israel and etc

[RommelTJ]

So here we are doing nothing against Israel's systematic torture against Palestine and other people living on the Gaza Strip:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7 272329.stm

The acts of Israel are simple unforgivable. More than 150 Palestinians have been killed. Many, if not most of the killed and wounded are women and children.
How many Israelis have been killed? 7. You are reading right. Seven Israeli SOLDIERS.

A recent Israeli poll has revealed that "a majority of Israelis favour a truce with the Islamist movement Hamas, which controls Gaza." So why don't they stop this slaughter of innocent civilians? I'll tell you why.

Because the UN is a piece of shit!

While Israel launches Tank assaults and orders air strikes, the UN has issued a special session to discuss the recent events. Of course, Israel and we all know that this will be useless. America is a permanent member of the UN and has the power to veto any movement in the United Nations.

The US will argue that Hamas is a terrorist organization and will halt any objections at the UN.

Well, I'm sorry Uncle Sam, but you are wrong. Nothing is worth the killing of civilians. NOTHING.

We need to reform the UN so that there are no permanent members and so that no countries hold the power to veto.

Let me remind you that the US has previously allowed genocides. In 1994, thousands of Rwandans were killed because the United Nations didn't get involved. Why didn't they get involved? Because the US didn't want to.

I'm sorry if I offend Jews; it is not my intention to do so. I am simply pointing out the killings that your government is doing.

[RommelTJ]

By the way, the BBC is reporting that Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has condemned Israel for "excessive and disproportionate" use of force in the Gaza Strip.

So please, if you support Israel I want to hear from you.

I just called my local Representatives and left him a voice mail demanding that the US stop the killing. I urge you to do the same.

Do something.

[LordJaric]

I do agree that Israel needs to lay off with the attacks more.

[MortifiedPenguins]

First off, your Representative isn't going to care.

Second, I hope to God we don't go by your advice and get enrolled into Isreal and Palestine.

First people complain that we don't do a thing to help other countries, then we police the world.

Screw both sides, let Isreal take care of Isreal and let Palestine take care of Palestine.

It's not our problem, it doesn't involve any interests of ours.
Let them take care of themselves.

[Vaseline-Machine]

I see where your coming from, but remember hamas is a terrorist organization and besides its paramilitary branch it really isn't considered an "army" and its hard to distinguish "enemy combatent" from " Civilian" its even more hard to do any attack without casualties, not that i'm advocating for the murders of civilians but is it is very hard to attack an enemy that hides itself amougst the civilian population.

Unspeakable acts have been commited by both sides.

Yehvah bless israel, and the U.S.

[Proteas]

At 3/1/08 10:26 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Why didn't they get involved? Because the US didn't want to.

Because guess who would have been stuck footing the bill for the whole operation? Who would have been held responsible for the cleanup and rebuilding afterwards?

I've got a better one for you.... who would have been held responsible if the whole thing turned into one giant clusterfuck of a mess AFTER it was decided that we should go in?

Without the U.S.A., there would be no U.N. After all, we pay 22% of their budget, we have the headquarters in New York, we enforce resolutions, and we're the ones everyone comes to those big meetings for just to bitch and gripe about.

[RommelTJ]

At 3/1/08 11:01 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: First off, your Representative isn't going to care.

Then why vote? Why do we have a representative government? If people have this kind of mentality, we might as well run a monarchy!

Second, I hope to God we don't go by your advice and get enrolled into Isreal and Palestine.
First people complain that we don't do a thing to help other countries, then we police the world.

Screw both sides, let Isreal take care of Isreal and let Palestine take care of Palestine.

We got involved in WWII, and thank god we did. We saved millions of Jews.
If people get beat up at your school, do you just stand there and do nothing? If so, shame on you.

It's not our problem, it doesn't involve any interests of ours.

As a member of the UN, it is our responsibility to help keep peace.

Let them take care of themselves.

I am not saying that the US should police the Israeli-Palestinian border. All I'm saying is that the US(or any other permanent member) shouldn't veto what the majority of the UN wants.

[RommelTJ]

At 3/1/08 11:03 PM, Vaseline-Machine wrote: I see where your coming from, but remember hamas is a terrorist organization...
Unspeakable acts have been commited by both sides.

Indeed. In fact, Hamas started the assaults by launching rockets into Israel. They caused all this mess and I think they should be held responsible for that. However, the actions of Israel are disproportionate and seemingly hateful.

Hamas killed 7 Israelis, including one young boy(a student). The death of 7 does not justify the death of 150 people, most of them civilians. It does not justify tank warfare, nor does it justify air strikes.

So yes, Hamas shot first. Fuck them. But fuck Hamas, not Palestinian civilians.

At 3/1/08 11:05 PM, Proteas wrote: Because guess who would have been stuck footing the bill for the whole operation? Who would have been held responsible for the cleanup and rebuilding afterwards?

No. The French were already stationed in Rwanda. USA demanded that they should be pulled out. President Clinton later regretted his actions and apologized to the Rwandan people. He called it the biggest regret of his term.
The US even to this day refuses to refer to the actions as a genocide.

I've got a better one for you.... who would have been held responsible if the whole thing turned into one giant clusterfuck of a mess AFTER it was decided that we should go in?

Well, that never happened now did it? The Rwandan Rebel group eventually won, but only after 800,000 innocent Tutsis were killed. If the UN had kept the French soldiers in Rwanda, without even getting involved they would've saved at least half.

Without the U.S.A., there would be no U.N. After all, we pay 22% of their budget, we have the headquarters in New York, we enforce resolutions, and we're the ones everyone comes to those big meetings for just to bitch and gripe about.

Yes, but just because you have the power of the purse doesn't mean you own the world. It is called the United Nations. 5 countries shouldn't have the power of veto. It is not really representative.

[therealsylvos]

Rommel you are making a bullshit assumption that many people make.
The Israeli's are hugely outnumbered in the middle east surrounded by people who want to annihilate them.
They can't just say, "they killed seven of our soldiers, we'll kill seven of their's and then we'll be even."
No. The arabs will in a heartbeat trade one of theirs for one of the Israeli's. Just look how many prisoner's israels releases for one dead body.
When these terrorists attack and refuse to back down the only sensible response is to attack with full force and knock back the terrorists.
Make them afraid to employ their terror tactics.
Strength is the only thing these barbarians respond to.
Not whiny talks of peace.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/1/08 11:18 PM, RommelTJ wrote:

At 3/1/08 11:01 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Then why vote? Why do we have a representative government? If people have this kind of mentality, we might as well run a monarchy!

You wish to waist your time for something pointless, it's your wish.
I'll use my energy and time on something that really matters.

We got involved in WWII, and thank god we did. We saved millions of Jews.

No, we got involved in WW2 because we were attacked. We inarverdantly saved the Jews.

If people get beat up at your school, do you just stand there and do nothing? If so, shame on you.

Not my problem.

As a member of the UN, it is our responsibility to help keep peace.

Who's peace. The Isreali's or the Palestinians.
Your not going to get far with me, If I had it my way, the US would't be in the UN.

I am not saying that the US should police the Israeli-Palestinian border. All I'm saying is that the US(or any other permanent member) shouldn't veto what the majority of the UN wants.

Why? If the Veto goes against US interests, it's for our own rights and protection to do it.

But in the end, the UN is a useless bureaucratic mess that can't get anything done, with or without US help.

[RommelTJ]

At 3/1/08 11:44 PM, therealsylvos wrote: Rommel you are making a bullshit assumption that many people make.
The Israeli's are hugely outnumbered in the middle east surrounded by people who want to annihilate them.

What is it that I'm assuming? These are all hard numbers, and the pictures I see on my TV screen are horrible.

But yes, Israelis are outnumbered and people want to kill them. They have the right to defend themselves.

They can't just say, "they killed seven of our soldiers, we'll kill seven of their's and then we'll be even."
No. The arabs will in a heartbeat trade one of theirs for one of the Israeli's. Just look how many prisoner's israels releases for one dead body.

Maybe so. Look, Hamas are getting more sophisticated and deadly rockets which are reaching further into Israel. They are a very dangerous organization and they should be dealt with.
What I'm arguing is that the use of Force by Israel is disproportionate and it targets civilians. A few rockets doesn't justify what Israel did.

It is like cutting someone's hands because they stole something. It is cruel and inhumane.

Israel needs to comply to international humane laws, just like the US does in Iraq. We do kill civilians in Iraq, but we take great care in not doing so. Israel doesn't seem to care.

When these terrorists attack and refuse to back down the only sensible response is to attack with full force and knock back the terrorists.
Make them afraid to employ their terror tactics.

I'm sure this is the Logic that US commanders used when Invading Iraq. Shock and Awe does not work in the Middle East. The most sensible response is to block their access to rockets.

Strength is the only thing these barbarians respond to.
Not whiny talks of peace.

Hmm, the UN, the majority of Israelis, and the majority of the world agrees with me...

[therealsylvos]

At 3/2/08 12:09 AM, RommelTJ wrote:

Rommel you are making a bullshit assumption that many people make.

The Israeli's are hugely outnumbered in the middle east surrounded by people who want to annihilate them.

What is it that I'm assuming? These are all hard numbers, and the pictures I see on my TV screen are horrible.

That when Israelis kill more terrorists than people we're killed by terrorists its wrong because its disproportionate.

Maybe so. Look, Hamas are getting more sophisticated and deadly rockets which are reaching further into Israel. They are a very dangerous organization and they should be dealt with.

What I'm arguing is that the use of Force by Israel is disproportionate and it targets civilians. A few rockets doesn't justify what Israel did.

It is like cutting someone's hands because they stole something. It is cruel and inhumane.

Israel needs to comply to international humane laws, just like the US does in Iraq. We do kill civilians in Iraq, but we take great care in not doing so. Israel doesn't seem to care.

See you're mistake is thinking they don't care. They care, its just that civilians are indistinguishable from terrorists why? because the terrorists are civilians.

Oldest suicide bomber

Young suicide bombers

There is nothing else the Israeli's can do short of self-immolation.

I'm sure this is the Logic that US commanders used when Invading Iraq. Shock and Awe does not work in the Middle East. The most sensible response is to block their access to rockets.

APARTHEID!

Strength is the only thing these barbarians respond to.
Not whiny talks of peace.

Hmm, the UN, the majority of Israelis, and the majority of the world agrees with me...

And look at the position they're in. They keep on giving away land and the arabs keep on wanting more.
Israelis, who really haven't had peace since their country's birth, are starved for it, and will do almost anything.
That doesn't mean they are correct.

[RommelTJ]

At 3/2/08 12:05 AM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

If people get beat up at your school, do you just stand there and do nothing? If so, shame on you.

Not my problem.

I think you should reconsider your religion. No Christian would ever say such thing.

These kind of reactions make me sad. If any of you were to be abused, even assholes like cellardoor6 and racists like Zeistro, I would in a heartbeat stand up for you. I have defended nerds since High School (although I consider myself a big nerd), and as a result wasn't very popular. Nevertheless, I am proud of myself.

Recently, some High School teachers that I hated were threatened to be fired by the Principal. I went to my old school and demanded that I have a word. Eventually, the teachers reached an agreement and were not fired. Why did I help teachers that I didn't like? Because I can't stand injustice.

As a Catholic, I believe we are all the same (add under God if you wish). The teachers were Baptists, BBS users are atheist, immigrants are Mexican, and Palestinians are Muslims, but we are all PEOPLE.

I believe in peace.

[RommelTJ]

At 3/2/08 12:22 AM, therealsylvos wrote: stuff

Indeed, it is a very difficult problem and there are many approaches to the problem. One of them is brute force. But there are other ways.

[cellardoor6]

At 3/1/08 10:26 PM, RommelTJ wrote: So here we are doing nothing against Israel's systematic torture

Systematic self-defense in which the Palestinians attack first, and then complain and use their trademark bullshit lies to demonize the defense as "genocise" simply because Israel strikes back.

The acts of Israel are simple unforgivable. More than 150 Palestinians have been killed.

And the blood is on the hands of Palestinians, not the Israelis, considering it was the Palestinians that started firing rockets into Israel, forcing Israel to respond defensively.

Many, if not most of the killed and wounded are women and children.

First of all, that's not even true.

Secondly, the people who die as collateral damage only die because the Palestinian terrorists you make no mention of intentionally launch rockets from civilian areas. The Israelis have to strike back, the Palestinian terrorists know this, so they intentionally position themselves in densely populated areas, knowing full well that innocent people will get injured and killed. Then they can create propaganda, point out the civilian deaths entirely out of context, and make idiots like you in the west blame Israel even though those innocent people were put in danger by their own supposed freedom fighters.

If a man stood out in front of someone's home holding a baby, and started shooting at the homeowner and his children, and the homeowner shot back and accidentally killed the man's baby, who would you blame for the baby's death? If you applied the logic you use in the Palestinian/Israeli issue to this example, you'd make absolutely the man who actually caused the whole ordeal, you'd just condemn the homeowner for using disproportionate force against the innocent baby even though he had no choice considering his first goal was to protect his own family.

How many Israelis have been killed? 7. You are reading right. Seven Israeli SOLDIERS.

Once again, that's a lie.

Secondly, the Israelis are better at protecting their own people, because that's their goal. The Israelis fight the Palestinians to protect their own people, the Palestinians ENDANGER their own people in order to fight the Israelis.

It's a fundamental difference that people like you can't even attempt to address. And the reason Israeli civilian deaths are lower is because the Israelis protect their OWN PEOPLE as their first goal.

A recent Israeli poll has revealed that "a majority of Israelis favour a truce with the Islamist movement Hamas, which controls Gaza."

Wow, lie.

So why don't they stop this slaughter of innocent civilians? I'll tell you why.

I'll tell YOU why, because the Palestinians start it every single time and the innocent civilians are slaughtered because the terrorists you pretend don't exist intentionally use them as human shields and propaganda pieces.

The US will argue that Hamas is a terrorist organization and will halt any objections at the UN.

Because Hamas IS A TERRORIST GROUP AND STARTED THE ENTIRE THING!

Well, I'm sorry Uncle Sam, but you are wrong. Nothing is worth the killing of civilians. NOTHING.

Except protecting your own innocent civilians.

We need to reform the UN so that there are no permanent members and so that no countries hold the power to veto.

Let me remind you that the US has previously allowed genocides. In 1994, thousands of Rwandans were killed because the United Nations didn't get involved. Why didn't they get involved? Because the US didn't want to.

LOL!

So when the US DOESN'T interject itself in other countries, we're evil. But when we do, we're evil also.

Thanks for displaying to all of us how fucking delusional you are.

"OMG liek AMerica didn't do nuthing in Rwanda!"

Vs.

"OMg liek America sticks its nose in other countries' business (Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq), liek why don't we let them take car of their own problems!"

I'm sorry if I offend Jews; it is not my intention to do so. I am simply pointing out the killings that your government is doing.

And you make no mention of the people who are ACTUALLY responsible for the deaths of innocent people.

[zoolrule]

Oh Rommel here we go again? just know, its not a normal day, there is a feeling of war coming.
you know what's your problem ? you are too one sided, and you are believing your friends too much, how come you take Terrorists word who prefer buying weapons and Scuds over health and education to their children, over Israel which is Western country from every aspect.

same technique is going on in Gaza, just like Hesbollah did in Lebanon, every few month they do an attack, Israel barely do a thing, until they snap, just like 3 days ago, for no reason, Hamas started shooting Scuds on Ashkelon, which is to you emm, like NYC for you, and not only that, they shoot them from Civilians homes, schools, and only few rare Scuds are shot from uncivilized places, because they know most of the time Israel wont fight back, thats their technique, its working pretty well, doesnt it ? people like you are convinced.
The only people who should be blamed, are the Kassams and Scuds launchers, they are shooting them knowingly they are dangering Civilians.

[zoolrule]

"Well, I'm sorry Uncle Sam, but you are wrong. Nothing is worth the killing of civilians. NOTHING."
Its funny, how can you make such a statement, while all that Hamas do is trying to kill civilians, 100% of the Scuds and Kassams shot at Israel, were aimed at Israeli citys. ALL OF THEM.
So how can you say nothing is worth killing civilians, while all that hamas do is try to kill civilians, and still support them?
there's one pretty accurate word to describe you, HYPOCRITE.

[evilXbanana]

You people need to really understand the Jewish mindset when talking about this crap. Jews have been persecuted as a race since well before christ. Thats well before Muhammad was even born. So these guys have a few millenia of varying degrees of unfair treatment, the loss of a kingdom, a holocaust, and now are walking bullseyes for muslims after getting back land that was their's long before Islam came about. Frankly its only fair that they refuse to take anymore shit.

Now that isn't to be confused with them going to war with traditional enemies, the Isrealis just refuse to take anymore shit. I think the official policy was 10 enemy deaths to one jewish death. So with that kind of historical precedent, I think its rather fair for them to act in a cruel manner in response to cruelty. The message was always to let sleeping dogs lay but the jihad nutters don't and never have given a rats ass about the backlash of attacking a technologically superior force that has plainly stated that it doesn't care who gets hurt in a counterattack.

And one last thing. Muslims have a large chunk of the planet to move around in. Israelis have Israel and nothing more. So to attack them is to back them against a wall, with U.S. weaponry. Never a good plan. I think that the religion that claims to be peaceful should chill the fuck out and stop trying to beat a very much not dead horse.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/2/08 12:27 AM, RommelTJ wrote:

At 3/2/08 12:05 AM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

I believe in peace.

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

[morefngdbs]

At 3/1/08 11:30 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Indeed. In fact, Hamas started the assaults by launching rockets into Israel. They caused all this mess and I think they should be held responsible for that. However, the actions of Israel are disproportionate and seemingly hateful.

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Not really, in my view.
There are group's of thugs & murderers, causeing murderous mayhem & hiding in amoung the people who do not commit these acts.
BUT, They do nothing to get these killers out of their neighborhoods & quite often support them & their efforts.
In my opinion that makes you just as guilty as the killers themselves.

Hamas killed 7 Israelis, including one young boy(a student). The death of 7 does not justify the death of 150 people, most of them civilians. It does not justify tank warfare, nor does it justify air strikes.

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I believe it does justify the action against Hamas, You want to live in an area where they launch their attacks from, then you have no right to bitch about how many others are hurt or killed when they are attacked.
Let us also not forget that some of these groups like Hamas & Fatah are also fighting each other in Gaza.
The whole place is a dogs breakfast that has been yet again regurgitated, & I don't believe there is anyway better to stop the blood shed than for Hamas to stop firing rockets & sending bombers into Israeli territory. Isreal always seems to be responding to attacks & they respond hard !

It would be interesting if these so called people's militia's stopped attacking for even say 2 months & see what Israel's actions would be.

[RommelTJ]

At 3/2/08 02:28 AM, zoolrule wrote: "Well, I'm sorry Uncle Sam, but you are wrong. Nothing is worth the killing of civilians. NOTHING."
Its funny, how can you make such a statement, while all that Hamas do is trying to kill civilians, 100% of the Scuds and Kassams shot at Israel, were aimed at Israeli citys. ALL OF THEM.
So how can you say nothing is worth killing civilians, while all that hamas do is try to kill civilians, and still support them?
there's one pretty accurate word to describe you, HYPOCRITE.

Why do you think I side with Hamas? Never have I said that. In fact, I think I was perfectly clear when I said "Fuck Hamas".

Am I one sided? Maybe. I am against anyone who kills others, regardless of the reason. I you were to kill someone in self-defense, I would be against you. Nothing justifies taking another person's life, much less innocent civilians.

So no, I am not defending terrorists.

Look, this is how you solve the problem. You place UN troops along the border. Hamas does not have the power to shoot the UN. If they shoot them, they would be in a huge mess. When they attack Israel, they have many allies. Like many of you said, most Muslim countries want to see Israel wiped off the map. However, most of those countries cannot afford to have the UN against them. If you bring the UN in, they will calm the situation.

We bring UN troops to protect Israel. This is what I'm saying. But Israel does not want the UN to get involved, because it would mean that they couldn't get away with the despicable acts they've committed.

[RommelTJ]

cellardoor6:
If I called your mother a whore, you have the right to punch me in the face. This is proportionate punishment.

If I called your mother a whore, you do not have the right to kill me. This is disproportionate.
Hamas brought this upon themselves, but the Israeli retaliation was disproportionate.

RE: The opinion poll and the killings of children and women. Those are not lies. You can keep pretending that Israel is a saint. Of course, Hamas targets more civilians than Israel.

RE: Baby analogy. Yes, the man who shot the baby would be at fault for shooting the baby. He had the option of, emm I don't know, not shooting when there is a baby around. But yes, the man carrying the baby was guilty of endangering the child.

RE: Rwanda. It was a genocide. 800,000 people were killed in less than 4 months. Do you really think that the US shouldn't have been involved? In any case, the US didn't have to get involved. There were already UN French troops stationed in Rwanda. The US practically demanded that they be pulled out and vetoes any action because of the humiliation of Somalia.

All the US had to do was not block the vote. They didn't have to send troops.

[n64kid]

At 3/2/08 02:29 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Ignorant stuff:

The thing about Rwanda was that French troops were there doing nothing and wasting everyones time and money, but this isn't about Rwanda but about the UN and Israel.

Your problem is that you get your facts from BBC, a known anti-israel source of media. Your reports are all biased. The majority of Israelis (I should know after being there for half a month) hate Hamas; there is no question about it. The poll you claim of comes from the Muslim quarters of Jerusalem to manipulate facts in order to achieve what they want.
-again, way to get biased information...

Without the US (who funds more than any other country) using veto power, the arab league would use the UN for their sole interests.

Now you seem to lack a little information about Israel's policies.

They want peace, they have peace with Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan. Syria refuses peace with Israel, and supports Hezbollah and Hamas financially. Israel has never started a war with any country or any group, but get criticized repeatedly for attacking missile sites within civilian territories. Now I'm not saying I support everything the Israeli government has done, you would be a fool to fully support any government 100%.

You also go on to ignore cellardoor's and sylvos' claims supporting Israeli action. I suggest you read what they posted before reposting 90% of what they have already contributed.

Finally about UN troops in Israel......
The UN has troops on the Israeli-Lebanon border. Recently rockets were fired from Lebanon, which were video taped by Israelis and some UN troops. The rocket, the attack, and the video claims were ALL denied by the UN and the UN interim force. It took a mass media portrayal of the video evidence for the UN to retract their earlier denial.

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[PantyWipe]

Israel all the way. Slaughter enough barbarian pigs and they may learn one day to stop being garbage people. If not, we will kill all of them eventually.

[ABsoldier17]

I think Rommel just got pwned

[RommelTJ]

At 3/2/08 06:35 PM, ABsoldier17 wrote: I think Rommel just got pwned

lol

Well fuck the Muslims then.

Am I really the only one that cares for human life?

I'm not an expert in Middle Eastern Affair. I've said that many times. I am clear that I get my facts from the BBC. And I have also said that I had Palestinian and Lebanese friends. I don't hide that. I may be biased.

My argument is solely for protection of innocent human lives. That is all.

If you guys disagree, then so be it. Let the Jews kill the Muslims, and let the Muslims kill the Jews. You think this cycle of violence will stop if we continue with this?

So be it then. I've taken the unpopular stance of protecting life and so I have been "pwned."

I only ask that you remember what I said when we send troops there. I will remember what you said.

[RommelTJ]

By the way, Muslims want to kill me too - I'm Christian. Still, I would never hurt a Muslim.

But I guess this is why you support the death penalty and I don't.

[PantyWipe]

At 3/2/08 06:35 PM, ABsoldier17 wrote: I think Rommel just got pwned

That was not my intention. I wasnt trying to "Pwn" anyone, just stating my opinion that we have to treat sociopathic religious killers as dismissive as they treat human life. You cant potty-train a rabid wolf, and IMO you cannot deal with sub-human killers who treat rapists as the victims and behead non-muslims peacefully. To say that you can makes you either naive, stupid or overly optimistic.

As far as anyone whos opinion is different, I respect yer right to have yers as you do my right to have mine. I am not trying to start any negativity, an no offense ABsoldier17, but its comments like that that start unnecessary drama.

[n64kid]

At 3/2/08 06:49 PM, RommelTJ wrote:

At 3/2/08 06:35 PM, ABsoldier17 wrote: I think Rommel just got pwned

lol

Well fuck the Muslims then.

Am I really the only one that cares for human life?

I'm not an expert in Middle Eastern Affair. I've said that many times. I am clear that I get my facts from the BBC. And I have also said that I had Palestinian and Lebanese friends. I don't hide that. I may be biased.

My argument is solely for protection of innocent human lives. That is all.

If you guys disagree, then so be it. Let the Jews kill the Muslims, and let the Muslims kill the Jews. You think this cycle of violence will stop if we continue with this?

So be it then. I've taken the unpopular stance of protecting life and so I have been "pwned."

I only ask that you remember what I said when we send troops there. I will remember what you said.

No one is pro-killing except Muslim fanatics. I've criticized you for taking the Obama approach, calling for peace without any realistic solutions. The UN has failed, expecially since the Sudan is on the commision of human rights while the crisis in Darfur is happening in Sudan's own country, primarily by Sudan. Peace talks haven't worked, and Israel giving back land hasn;t worked. It's clear that the only peace agreement with radical islam is to wipe not Israel, but the Jews off the map.

Rommel, I would like to hear any solution from you that hasn't been tried and failed miserably to remedy this problem in the middle east.

[RommelTJ]

At 3/2/08 06:54 PM, PantyWipe wrote:

At 3/2/08 06:35 PM, ABsoldier17 wrote: I think Rommel just got pwned

That was not my intention. I wasnt trying to "Pwn" anyone, just stating my opinion that we have to treat sociopathic religious killers as dismissive as they treat human life. You cant potty-train a rabid wolf, and IMO you cannot deal with sub-human killers who treat rapists as the victims and behead non-muslims peacefully. To say that you can makes you either naive, stupid or overly optimistic.

As far as anyone whos opinion is different, I respect yer right to have yers as you do my right to have mine. I am not trying to start any negativity, an no offense ABsoldier17, but its comments like that that start unnecessary drama.

Well, I think he was referring to n64kid's comment.

In any case, I see your point. My rule is treat others as you would like to be treated. "Sociopathic Religious Killer" are indeed fucked up in the head, but they are fucked in the head for a reason.