Nation of Obama Zombies

[EKublai]

I'm sorry to say that I will be voting for this man in November. Not because I want Hilary as a candidate, she has already proved to me that while she has all the experience and passion to lead, she does not know how to get together a supporting cast. I can imagine her cabinet to be overly underqualified, chosen because of some obscure work they did for her when she was governor of Arkansas.

No, I'm sorry to be voting for this man because with him in office, the only beneficial thing we will get is a United America. Unfortunately, it will be behind King Obama, Lord Obama, and not president Obama.

It is becoming more and more apparent to me, through the calculated speeches of Obama, that his reputation is based on no one's account but his own. While Hilary's campaign is a complete failure, Obama's is able to thrive on the half-truths that has brought it to this level of popularity. After Bush, you can understand why many of things he's been saying through the debates and really entire political life, the claims he has made past and present, has been disturbing me.

The opening SNL skit last week illustrated not only a scarily realistic picture of the media during the debate, but also of debates past, and the one last night, and really... the trend of American thinking. I see Americans flock to his man everyday, either by jumping on the bandwagon or deciding that having a black president will be more important than a woman president, something obviously up to debate seeing as more than 50% of the US is female.

The problem is that the questions we ask are no longer reasonable, they are softballs so full of fluff that they literally have no substance to them. We can question Hilary's policy because she has an established one, while Obama waits to speak second on issues like Russia and Kosovo because he wants to borrow off of her ideas.

I didn't mean to rant but I think everyone needs to come out of this trance for change. I would put examples here but it wouldn't really matter because everyone looks past such half truths, and if they haven't seen them as half truths yet, then they aren't likely to in the future. Realize that when Obama says, "I want to be honest with the American people" that he is currently only being half truthful, and when he becomes president, the country's state is not the only thing he'll have to change, but the way he selects words. He is not a matter of fact as Hilary, John Edwards, Joe Biden, or even Gravel is, he is a matter of fabrication. He is King Obama, and kings rule the fortune deprived and witless.

[The-Hydra-of-Spore]

That's a nice rant you have there. Pity you forgot to put any quotes or evidence of any kind to back you up. And what's with the debate over Black VS Woman? Why the hell does it even matter to you people. The sexists and racists of the world are pretty stubborn they aren't going to change their minds.

Now really Obama has stated on the issues. If you find them unclear just visit his site and read. Really just google it should be the first thing and have a look at what his stance on the issues are. He's actually got some things that Hillary hasn't i.e Net Neutrality.

Maybe Obama is popular because he's a good speaker. He has charisma and people like that. So what?

[djconnect]

i would of taken to your rant if you would of added a little more examples or quotes or something proving your point instead of just half or less then half of your truths. and referring to comedy shows when trying to be taken seriously about politics is always bad. i believe Obama shows the united states change and thats what the people want.

[KeithHybrid]

OP is sounding kinda racist to me.

Is it just me, or are racists beginning to appear more often in the BBS?

[EKublai]

At 2/27/08 01:32 PM, The-Hydra-of-Spore wrote: That's a nice rant you have there. Pity you forgot to put any quotes or evidence of any kind to back you up.

If you wish.

And what's with the debate over Black VS Woman? Why the hell does it even matter to you people. The sexists and racists of the world are pretty stubborn they aren't going to change their minds.

It's not my debate. I could not care less what race or gender they are, I merely find it strange that people come to the conclusion that its more important to have a black man in office than a woman from a logical standpoint.

i would of taken to your rant if you would of added a little more examples or quotes or something proving your point instead of just half or less then half of your truths. and referring to comedy shows when trying to be taken seriously about politics is always bad. i believe Obama shows the united states change and thats what the people want.

again I tried to stay away from providing specific evidence because I wanted some 'self-discovery' to occur. But if evidence is needed, let's analyze the last debate. Here is what he said. And I dare you to challenge me that this is not calculated. Obama knows rhetoric like no one else, he knows that putting words in places will not hurt him if he places the right ones in the right places.

"To think that somehow the people who support me are somehow delusional *draws laughs from crowd*" Specifically said to counter my point.

"Well, first of all, I take Senator Clinton at her word that she knew nothing about the photo. So I think that's something that we can set aside."

This is on the photo that just came around showing obama in a "muslimish" garb. Obama casts the issue aside as though the question wasn't really about him, but about Hilary, which is how Brian Williams framed. Barack Obama doesn't like to talk about his past. He makes generalizations about his past that are to make it seem he was more involved with the community than he really turned out to be. Like his senate record, his illinois state senate record is very dissapointing , forget the votes, just in terms of attendence. in the u.s senate, he's missed 23% of the votes, and this is just his first full term. you would think that as you get older you may miss a few more votes like the case of mccain.

"professor of constitutional law" he has said this many times and it pisses me off. He knows he is not, and never has been a professor of constitutional law. He is a lecturer. But of course people overlook the fact that he is distorting his own image because "it's just a word" well words are obama's game, so you need to analyze everything he says, there is a reason why he called himself a professor, he wants to endow himself with the same respect and honor that comes with actually being a professor, an expert of the field.

He has called himself a civil rights attorney, which is technically true, but has done so in a way that implies that he did something to have blacks get their right in the 60's. Com'on a civil rights attourney in the 80's? the years we were trying whether it was constitutional for colleges to apply quotas for diversity in affirmative action?

And no one calls him out when he says he was an 8 year state senator when one of those years he was also a us senator. Part time job? no way. 7 years. For whoever thinks "you're complaining about 1 year" I say "Fine let's wait til 2009 for bush to leave the white house"

Obama's entire story is built of these half truths and other suspicious things. What's this about classmates of obama saying that obama was "a guy of moderation" when he professes to done his fair share of cocaine. Most close friends and teachers have admitted that there was never any signs of cocaine and only moderate marijuana use. Obama says "they don't know how it transformed me"

The fact remains the same after all these years, who really knows obama? The obama with a past?
This is not the same Obama I expected when he came into the U.S Senate, not the one that I decided to vote for after Biden dropped out.

I think back to last summer when I worked as a senate page, sponsered by the illinois senators, throughout the month I saw Obama present come and sit down about 8 days, out of the whole month I was there every weekday in July working from 7 am to 8pm. I was there when the filibuster was on, staying on the 7am to 8pm regular time, and extending it to 2 am the next day. And where was Obama, probably sleeping comfortably while Ted Kennedy pulled out a cot. And remember, this was the month right before senate went out of session. on vacation, while of course he would be campaigning.

He must have cut a lot of classes in school as a kid. Must have not respected the time of his teachers, since he certainly doesn't respect the time of his fellow senators.

Phew....

[EKublai]

At 2/27/08 05:11 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: OP is sounding kinda racist to me.

Is it just me, or are racists beginning to appear more often in the BBS?

Haha! you wish I were racist. just because i say hilary being a women is just as significant as a black man being president. The country is over 50% female, to whom is the election of a representive to the presidency going to affect more. The majority of the country that hasn't had someone to represent them until and didn't vote until 1920, didn't have a congresswomen until 1916 and senator til 1938?

If that's the logic people are using to defend the stance that race matters, why wouldn't having a native american president be the best choice? Remember? The ones we nearly killed off completely? Destroyed their culture while blacks remained alive and able to keep their culture? Yes slavery was an atrocity, but right now in the present one is gone the other is still here witha chance to make something of themselves? Why is race important if not to glorify the fact they suffered? We can't choose a president this way!

[Gunter45]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. There's a definite Obama craze going around the nation and I think it's bullshit that people are flocking to him because it's trendy. However, at the same time, I think it's beneficial. There are also very seasoned politicians with decades of experience and with very influential voices who are also getting behind Obama. The simple fact of the matter is that most people vote based on whimsy and that's not going to change. I'm just glad that a qualified candidate for the Presidency is also capable of rallying mass amounts of people to his side.

Now, I disagree with some of Obama's policy, especially domestically, but I think his stance on foreign affairs, combined with his innate ability to bring people together is exactly what this country needs. We're a nation that is at odds with itself and with the world and I think that Obama would be the guy we want in order to bring our standing back up in the international community and to ease some of the tensions here at home.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

I am voting for john McCain in the 2008 presidential election as I did in the primary.

Like me he is a moderate republican, with a reasonable war strategy, and a sound domestic plan.

I suggest all others do the same.

[dySWN]

At 2/27/08 05:11 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: OP is sounding kinda racist to me.

I'm not seeing it.

[EKublai]

At 2/28/08 12:31 AM, Gunter45 wrote: However, at the same time, I think it's beneficial. There are also very seasoned politicians with decades of experience and with very influential voices who are also getting behind Obama.

Precisely the reason I am still voting for him. He unites them despite his dishonesty, which in effect makes this case very different than the one with Bush.

Now, I disagree with some of Obama's policy, especially domestically, but I think his stance on foreign affairs, combined with his innate ability to bring people together is exactly what this country needs.

I'm actually more confident in his domestic policy unless he gets someone good to play the karl rove role. I would definitely like to see someone experienced in foreign affairs like a Joe Biden or a Bill Richardson in that kind of role. However, I don't think his ability to unite the American people will apply to foreign countries. Who knows?

[Stoicish]

governor of Arkansas.

I stopped here because the rest of the way I can assume you have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

[Zeistro]

Are people so moronic that they'd vote for him solely on his charisma and ethnicity? McCain has scores more qualifications than either Obama or Hillary.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

At 2/28/08 10:45 AM, Zeistro wrote: Are people so moronic that they'd vote for him solely on his charisma and ethnicity? McCain has scores more qualifications than either Obama or Hillary.

I concur, he is the best for the job.

[EKublai]

At 2/28/08 02:57 AM, Stoicish wrote: governor of Arkansas.

I stopped here because the rest of the way I can assume you have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

thank you for pointing that out. My mistake. attempted governor of arkansas is what i should have said, but still this whole topic has nothing to do with hilary and has everything to do with obama, i was merely stating why i was going to be voting for obama, because hilary does not know how to choose her supporting cast. so please read the main point of the argument as really try to see the point in what someone has taken the time to write. Also, if you're an alt im really disapointed you would try to strike such a low blow, pure cowardice, and if you're just new, let me tell you that things like "im going to disregard everything you've said just now because of a trifle that is irrelevant to the discussion" doesn't sit very well here. people tire of it quickly.