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At 2/20/08 04:13 PM, TehChahlesh wrote: Not that I believe black pride etc. is any better as a matter of principal, but it's obvious why that's accepted while white pride etc. is frowned upon.

Indeed, you are right, but surely, if we can't allow all races to have their own racial pride, then really, none should be allowed to have that pride, whether that be shown in the form of marches, 'history months or whatever.

Hell, not allowing it would be the best option anyway as it breaks down the barriers of race and moves you away from the binary ' them and us' dynamic that seems tod efine race relations.

At 2/20/08 04:19 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Hell, not allowing it would be the best option anyway as it breaks down the barriers of race and moves you away from the binary ' them and us' dynamic that seems tod efine race relations.

I think disallowing it would worsen any existing race tensions (the "*insert race* is keeping us down" mentality would surface strongly).

Things like affirmative action are what are really causing race issues. A white student who was passed up for a less-qualified black student in a college would surely feel bitterness. Likewise, a well qualified black student with a medical degree might not be thought the equal of his colleagues due to suspicion of him being an "affirmative action hire."

But that's really besides the point. My post was regarding this ever-present person who usually thinks that he or she is presenting a shocking, un-PC view on race issues when he or she points out the racial double-standard. To not understand why white pride displays are frowned upon reflects pure ignorance.

At 2/20/08 04:13 PM, TehChahlesh wrote: Think about all the things white pride and white power ideas have been responsible for. Just think, and you'll have your answer.

Yeah, the Black Panthers were great.

At 2/20/08 04:33 PM, WoogieNoogie wrote: Yeah, the Black Panthers were great.

The Black Panthers are essentially a hate group, fair enough. But think about the term hate group for a moment, I doubt the black panthers are the first to spring into your mind. More likely a certain pointy-hooded group would appear.

Why? Because the KKK had a good deal of power for a long time, and they didn't do nice things with it. Sure, the black panthers are essentially no better, but they've never had any real power in this country.

Are you starting to get the point?

At 2/20/08 04:39 PM, TehChahlesh wrote: Are you starting to get the point?

Of course, I got your point to start off with. I was just trying to show you the power of any hate group. The reason the KKK got more support and power than the Black Panthers, is simply because of the reason I've been putting out since the beginning. The Black Panthers were a hate group composed of a minority race, therefore the power would not have been as easily spread as the predominant race.

At 2/20/08 04:44 PM, WoogieNoogie wrote:
Of course, I got your point to start off with. I was just trying to show you the power of any hate group. The reason the KKK got more support and power than the Black Panthers, is simply because of the reason I've been putting out since the beginning. The Black Panthers were a hate group composed of a minority race, therefore the power would not have been as easily spread as the predominant race.

Well then it should be pretty obvious as to why white pride is looked upon so negatively. Because white power was a dominant mantra for a great deal of time, people saw the terrible things that such a belief could be responsible for. This leaves people with an almost innate distaste for anything of the white pride variety.

Since we've had no such experience with black pride movements (at least, not as much), we don't look on it as a bad thing as quickly as we do in regards to white pride.

Is this a good thing? Of course not. But I'm just trying to demonstrate that there's a clear cause of this double-standard.

At 2/20/08 04:47 PM, TehChahlesh wrote: Is this a good thing? Of course not. But I'm just trying to demonstrate that there's a clear cause of this double-standard.

Of course. That's my whole reason for making this topic...to show that there is a double standard, and even if there are reasons, they aren't good enough to establish that standard.

Even so, that was only half of my point. Black History Month is supposed to show how the history of blacks changed America to treat all races equally. By leaving out any other civil history about this change, about any white people that helped this change...by excluding any other race, it makes it unequal.

I get what you're saying, but what can you do? I mean honestly, you're really left with the option of being pissed off at racism for screwing things up for the rest of us.

I don't have any problem with it. Our college hosts free black history movies and hands out popcorn. I could give a shit less about Malcolm X and his radical views, but if we're talkin' free punch and pie....

Also, another thing to take into consideration is that a majority of people are not racist. Sure, there are nutjobs like the KKK. But these guys are hated by most decent people and receive no support. You can't base your opinions of other races on extremist bastards.

At 2/21/08 07:17 AM, A-Speg wrote: You can't base your opinions of other races on extremist bastards.

And yet...people still do. Civil rights always gets outweighed by prejudice.

At 2/21/08 03:05 PM, WoogieNoogie wrote:

At 2/21/08 07:17 AM, A-Speg wrote: You can't base your opinions of other races on extremist bastards.

And yet...people still do. Civil rights always gets outweighed by prejudice.

That's kind of the point of remembering the Civil Rights and acknowledging Black History month, that prejudice always tries to get in the way.

It's kind of like Christmas: you can let the commercialism and hype paint a negative picture for you, or you can acknowledge the occasion for what it is in your own way; like sane people do.

At 2/21/08 03:33 PM, Nylo wrote: That's kind of the point of remembering the Civil Rights and acknowledging Black History month, that prejudice always tries to get in the way.

Yeah, it just seems that in a way, that show of prejudice is becoming prejudice itself.

I concur

i agree having a month set aside for one race promotes ineqaulity, and in effect it gets people to look at other based PURELY by race.

what this month is saying hey look at BLACKS for there accomplishments and only becuase their BLACK,
so basicly you have a month that profiles by race, this profileing makes people see other races as differnt and not as equals.

and to me anything that profiles by race is wrong.

it's sort of like that one time i applied for a job, was better qualified than the black man applying for the same position, but lost the job because i was applying at a company who described themselves as an "equal opportunity employer".

if you don't see anything wrong with the way our modern society deals with race, you should be murdered.

Your view might have more credence if the word Nazi wasn't in your name.

At 2/21/08 06:47 PM, therealsylvos wrote: Your view might have more credence if the word Nazi wasn't in your name.

so you're like one of those inarticulate morons who refuse to acknowledge obama because his middle name is hussien and obama sounds a lot like osama?

"Shit, Bo. Tell Luke to get in here, this black guy on the tube's last name is Obama! His middle name is Hussien! That's two terrorists in one! God damn terrorist ain't gonna be my president!"

At 2/21/08 07:01 PM, nazibomb wrote:

"Shit, Bo. Tell Luke to get in here, this black guy on the tube's last name is Obama! His middle name is Hussien! That's two terrorists in one! God damn terrorist ain't gonna be my president!"

No, because he doesn't choose his name.
However you have chosen to identify yourself with the word nazi.
I don't disagree with what you say, but its hard to take seriously the opinion of someone with the word nazi in his name on race relations.

At 2/21/08 07:21 PM, therealsylvos wrote: No, because he doesn't choose his name.
However you have chosen to identify yourself with the word nazi.
I don't disagree with what you say, but its hard to take seriously the opinion of someone with the word nazi in his name on race relations.

as a matter of fact, i was stuck with this name when the new rules were established and you could no longer alter your account name. this was only supposed to be my name for a short time. regardless, a name is a name.

A little off topic, but I do agree about "equal opportunity" and "affirmative action". I agree, equal opportunity is important, but equal does not require a minority to be hired. That, again, creates the inequality.

At 2/20/08 04:13 PM, TehChahlesh wrote:

Not that I believe black pride etc. is any better as a matter of principal, but it's obvious why that's accepted while white pride etc. is frowned upon.

All that history has shown is that a segregated veiw of oneself from others, beleiving onself to he superior, and having the militaristic, economic, and political capacity to do harm to another group of people brings frightening results.

You see, the white man might have a program of history that might be 'white history' however, the white man does not flaunt is as an acheivement.

personally, i would prefer a civil rights month, it glorifies the achievements of specific individuals in contributing to a cause for the betterment of humanity [Atleast in the contemporary veiw] And it would not openly or dirrectly imply a particular race being responsible. [Much like the secret, 11 white history months]

Me too.
Waste of time, money, and attention.

At 2/19/08 01:00 PM, WoogieNoogie wrote: No, I'm not some sort of racist. Actually, I'm very supportive of equal rights.

However, I have very strong views against this. When we have Black History Month, Black Movie Awards, and such things, they're history and a show of civil rights. However, if a White History Month, or White Movie Awards was implemented, I can guarantee you people would be up in arms about it.

This is not equal rights. This is the example of race inequality.

Now, again, don't take me the wrong way. Black historical figures play a large part in history, and we would in no way be the same without their inventions, ideas, movements, and music. However, setting apart this month as Black History Month is one step backwards.

Let me know if you agree or disagree with my statements here.

i agree... and by the way I'm Jewish and if there is a black history month why isn't there a Jewish history month, no one can say that they went through worst then the Jews... how about the Koreans for many years they were occupied by different land... have you forgotten that some countries in Africa are mulism and those people have gone through terrors as well. on a list the blacks wouldn't be that high (the list being peoples who have gone through the worst) and if you want to say that it shouldn't matter cause clack history month is about America well we treated are Japanese people really bad during world war 2

its abouslty ridcioulus that they have a month (even if it is the shortest one of the year)

I agree with this topic greatly. By promoting black history month your saying "We as African Americans have suffered more" while not respecting the suffering of other cultures such as the Jewish people or Arabs or Asians or Indians or Native Americans. By separating this single month you are creating inequality. It also makes whites seem like the bad guys (we usually are but there have been other villains in history) We need to get get rid of black history month and replace it with racial equality month that way you do not seperate one culture from another and show their contributions equally.

If we made a white history month the ghetto would rise up and waste us all.

At 2/22/08 05:04 PM, icefreeze57 wrote:
i agree... and by the way I'm Jewish and if there is a black history month why isn't there a Jewish history month, no one can say that they went through worst then the Jews... how about the Koreans for many years they were occupied by different land... have you forgotten that some countries in Africa are mulism and those people have gone through terrors as well. on a list the blacks wouldn't be that high (the list being peoples who have gone through the worst) and if you want to say that it shouldn't matter cause clack history month is about America well we treated are Japanese people really bad during world war 2

its abouslty ridcioulus that they have a month (even if it is the shortest one of the year)

Well... blacks didn't kill Jesus...

Lol,jk. But I agree with you. All this damn month does is further widen the gap between the races. America is a country where people are supposed to be colorblind. Eventually people will not view races at all, and instead just see another PERSON.

Just the fact that we have this month is racist and a step in the wrong direction. Cultures need to blend, not be celebrated. I don't go around demanding people devote a month to MY heritage.

At 2/19/08 04:57 PM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 2/19/08 01:00 PM, WoogieNoogie wrote: Let me know if you agree or disagree with my statements here.

We do have white history month. Its called March through January.

Blacks are the minority,

as if they are the only minority...... right.
and I know how hard it is to comes to term with that but its the truth.
wrong, hispanics, asians, and many others also make up minority groups.
Equality is nice, but how many black actors have been nominated for movie and/or TV awards?
does this mean we should give them their very own award show? no. Denzel Washington is a great actor, and there are not many great actors out there of any race.
I did a quick skim over the golden globe awards, and the only black actor I saw was Denzel Washington for American Gangster.

Outside of music, black actors/actresses are severely overshadowed by white actors/actresses. Its not due to racism, but that since there are more white actors the amount of good white actors outnumbers the amount of good black actors.

let's see.... black music... rap, blues, jazz. rap is (for some reason) popular but most rappers lack talent. how many songs can you sing about your money, genitals, and car before it gets old? blues and jazz aint so popular... not anymore anyway. of course they are in Louisiana. of course, country music is becoming the new rap IMO. Rock still rules and how many black rockers do you know of?
as far as actors go... eh i dont watch tv or movies so i dunno.

Recognizing the top black actors and actresses may be seen as racism to some, but to many black people that identify themselves as black instead of American see it as awarding the good actors and actresses of their culture.

pfft. can't hang with the big dogs so you gotta throw a party on the porch.

yo yo yo G my ho's pussy is tight and my car is so tight and i gots da money in da bank. I gots no talent but I can cuss to a beat....

At 2/22/08 10:10 PM, machacker2000 wrote: If we made a white history month the ghetto would rise up and waste us all.

Kind of a racist way of putting it...in better terms, a White History Month would be deemed racist.

At 2/22/08 11:46 PM, Humbucker740 wrote: All this damn month does is further widen the gap between the races. America is a country where people are supposed to be colorblind. Just the fact that we have this month is racist and a step in the wrong direction. Cultures need to blend, not be celebrated.

Exactly my point. Very well worded.

At 2/19/08 04:57 PM, fahrenheit wrote: Blacks are the minority
how many black actors have been nominated for movie and/or TV awards?

You can do the math! I belive in you!

It's funny, if there's ever a "hispanic history month" the internet will be filled with "DEY TOOK OUR JOBS" threads complaining about how another minority gets to celebrate something.

God forbid anyone who isn't white gets to enjoy themselves. Maybe we should ship em all back where they came from.