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Ugh it didn't get conquered by anyone, serbs were a majority there to begin with, and they didn't agree with bosnia being independant. Just like they don't have a right to separate from bosnia, kosovo has no right to separate from serbia. There is basically no difference. If every group that was a majority in some country had a right to separate i'd suport kosovo, but since repuplika srpska, palestine, basque in spain, south ossetia, abhasia, taiwan and lots of other places, most of which have more right than kosovo to seek independance, can't have that right kosovo shouldn't either.

Well now i certainly think that this time Serbia wont help the minority in Kosovo stay there by going in and clearing out the ethnic Albanians, just like they did to the Muslims in northern Bosnia during the 90s. If that doesnt turn out to be the case, then i think this declaration has no chance of failure.

At 2/21/08 07:14 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote:

Ugh it didn't get conquered by anyone, serbs were a majority there to begin with, and they didn't agree with bosnia being independant. Just like they don't have a right to separate from bosnia, kosovo has no right to separate from serbia. There is basically no difference. If every group that was a majority in some country had a right to separate i'd suport kosovo, but since repuplika srpska, palestine, basque in spain, south ossetia, abhasia, taiwan and lots of other places, most of which have more right than kosovo to seek independance, can't have that right kosovo shouldn't either.

Well now i certainly think that this time Serbia wont help the minority in Kosovo stay there by going in and clearing out the ethnic Albanians, just like they did to the Muslims in northern Bosnia during the 90s. If that doesnt turn out to be the case, then i think this declaration has no chance of failure.

But serbs were a majority in bosnia, not a minority, the only help they got in bosnia was resources and paramilitary retards who were there to sell weapons to both sides, shoot civilians and pretend to be patriots.

And why should the declaration be a succes? The whole point of the matter was they had no right to make this declaration...

Well, it seems to me that even if they technically do not have the right, it would not stop them from declaring themselves an autonomous state. Even if the entire world did not recognize them, they would still go ahead with the declaration. Therefore, that is the catalyst for violence between loyalists and separatists within the borders of both countries, if not between local governments trying to restore Serbia's claim to Kosovo. All in all, we still do not know how serious and dedicated the Kosovars are in their call for independence. Im sure at this point they fear violence, and that is proven in that fact that they had to call in KFOR troops to stop minorities from destroying the entire northern borderline. However, Kosovo is hoping for international support, but they are pushing their luck if they believe the US will suddenly send the 3rd Infantry Division to its aid if things get even rougher than now. What i am saying is, i believe Kosovo has a valid cause, but i do admit that they are very fearful of the repercussions. They are afraid because they cant handle the backlash from the Serb minorities. If anything, I believe Kosovo should try to become independent if it wants to, but it has no right to demand recognition from the international community just to safeguard itself from the very angry minority.

At 2/21/08 07:50 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Well, it seems to me that even if they technically do not have the right, it would not stop them from declaring themselves an autonomous state. Even if the entire world did not recognize them, they would still go ahead with the declaration. Therefore, that is the catalyst for violence between loyalists and separatists within the borders of both countries, if not between local governments trying to restore Serbia's claim to Kosovo. All in all, we still do not know how serious and dedicated the Kosovars are in their call for independence. Im sure at this point they fear violence, and that is proven in that fact that they had to call in KFOR troops to stop minorities from destroying the entire northern borderline. However, Kosovo is hoping for international support, but they are pushing their luck if they believe the US will suddenly send the 3rd Infantry Division to its aid if things get even rougher than now. What i am saying is, i believe Kosovo has a valid cause, but i do admit that they are very fearful of the repercussions. They are afraid because they cant handle the backlash from the Serb minorities. If anything, I believe Kosovo should try to become independent if it wants to, but it has no right to demand recognition from the international community just to safeguard itself from the very angry minority.

That can be said for any other region i mentioned. Exept the US and western europe for some reason seem to favor kosovo over other regions completley ignoring international law. If they should have independance, all other regions i mentioned should. I really don't understand all the pressure from the EU and the US on other countries to recognise kosovo as a state. At least this time we have Russia on our side, even if i don't like all that much the fact that they are doing it just to counter what the US does.

Also the situation is not simple there at all. They are not threatened by the minorities, the minorities are threatened by them. But when we brought police to keep order the albanians became the ones that were harassed. So it is a stalemate, but we don't have the goverment we used to, and on the other hand the self-proclaimed president of kosovo Hasim Taci is a known war criminal. They were offered partial independence but they refused. They demand to be the only country made this way and have proved several times they can't guarantee saftey to minorities, yet they should be alowed to make their own state because the US said so? They never will be admited as a country by the UN or given independance as long as at least one country that can put a veto on the UN's deision has any reason left.

The point is they are by no means special and any country that admits them as a state has a fucked up goverment. The people in those countries should rethink who they are voting for in the future so shit like this doesn't happen on a regular basis.

I'm going to sleep now, its 2:00 am here...

That can be said for any other region i mentioned. Exept the US and western europe for some reason seem to favor kosovo over other regions completley ignoring international law. If they should have independance, all other regions i mentioned should. I really don't understand all the pressure from the EU and the US on other countries to recognise kosovo as a state. At least this time we have Russia on our side, even if i don't like all that much the fact that they are doing it just to counter what the US does.

Also the situation is not simple there at all. They are not threatened by the minorities, the minorities are threatened by them. But when we brought police to keep order the albanians became the ones that were harassed. So it is a stalemate, but we don't have the goverment we used to, and on the other hand the self-proclaimed president of kosovo Hasim Taci is a known war criminal. They were offered partial independence but they refused. They demand to be the only country made this way and have proved several times they can't guarantee saftey to minorities, yet they should be alowed to make their own state because the US said so? They never will be admited as a country by the UN or given independance as long as at least one country that can put a veto on the UN's deision has any reason left.

The point is they are by no means special and any country that admits them as a state has a fucked up goverment. The people in those countries should rethink who they are voting for in the future so shit like this doesn't happen on a regular basis.

I'm going to sleep now, its 2:00 am here...

HAHA. Well, I dont doubt that the government in the US needs to change. Thats a given, regardless of whether Bush backs Kosovo or not. All average people like me and you and everyone else here and abroad can do is watch and see what happens. I have a feeling this referendum will go through, for better or for worse.

Oh and I almost forgot, the first casualty of this conflict has just been released. A guy was burned to death in the US Embassy in Belgrade. I just hope this doesnt continue.