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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-17 18:34:42 Reply

That site isn't really on your side either you hypocritic cunt.

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Also paramilitary =/= special forces. Anyone could call himself special forces that way. And 96 isolated rapes that could have easily been done by a very small number of people (if the entire police force was out there just to rape and not to keep peace it would have been thousands of rapes) doesn't really compare to the genocide and purging of thousands non-albanian minorities, which you haven't mentioned even once.

True some people in the army and police are braindamaged, but saying serbia is the bad guy and albanians living there are nice and inocent is like saying george bush is an honest and intelligent man.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-17 18:36:01 Reply

Yet i never said that these attrocites didn't happen i just said that they weren't the only ones, because there are well documented cases of albanians raping and killing serbs, burning serbian orthodox churches, and generally forcing the serbian population to flee well before and well after (and today) the war of 1999.

Remember march 2004? Of course you don't, the coverage of it was 24 seconds long on CNN.

Also, note how this "Retarded brownshirt" has never lowered himself to insulting you on a personal level. ;)


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-17 19:40:08 Reply

I'm not gonna go all patriotic on your ass, blob21, since I know how hard it is to find sources written on English about what's actually happening on Kosovo. It's pretty obvious to me that you've been brainwashed by all the pro-American articles laying around, most of them saying how "big bad Serbs raped/killed/ate the poor Albanians for NO apparent reason whatsoever".

Personally, I don't think you will ever understand the background story of Kosovo, since it requires open-minded thoughts and a good amount of IQ to grasp the whole picture.

And unfortunately, you don't posses any of the atributtes mentioned above...

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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-17 20:50:02 Reply

Hey guys? It's one thing to feel devoted to an issue it's another to be abusive on someone of the opposite opinion. These are meant to be calm debates. Cool your jets.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-18 06:37:24 Reply

At 2/17/08 06:34 PM, SCG wrote: That site isn't really on your side either you hypocritic cunt.

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All after the war. Any monkey could have predicted that would happen, with any group of people who had just experienced what the Albanians had experienced. Fair enough the NATO and UN forces failed to do enough to stop it, but anyone could have seen it coming.

Also paramilitary =/= special forces. Anyone could call himself special forces that way. And 96 isolated rapes that could have easily been done by a very small number of people (if the entire police force was out there just to rape and not to keep peace it would have been thousands of rapes) doesn't really compare to the genocide and purging of thousands non-albanian minorities, which you haven't mentioned even once.

First of all, I acknowledge the KLA was responsible for war crime against Serbs. I accept that the KLA were just as brutal as the Serbian forces. However KLA =/= Albanians. The KLA was a terrorist organization. It's like trying to kill every Irish man, woman and child in response to the IRA blowing up some drunks. They were wrong, but punishing anyone but the IRA for terrorist attacks just makes you as bad as them. I seem to be hearing "well they killed x many serbs" a lot. Just because a bunch of terrorists or rebels kills innocent Serbians does not give the Serbian army the right to kill innocent Albanians. My point is that if your leaders had handled this correctly then Kosovo would not be independent today.

True some people in the army and police are braindamaged, but saying serbia is the bad guy and albanians living there are nice and innocent is like saying george bush is an honest and intelligent man.

George Bush won two elections in the worlds largest superpower, he may not be honest, but he's not stupid. I'm not saying that the only good Serb is a dead Serb or any shit but any government that sanctions the mass murder of civilians as a response to any problem, no matter how severe is in the wrong.

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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-18 09:44:23 Reply

I guess I won't be too original if I were to say that extreme separatism is politically contagious, and taking into account the two unrecognized de-facto republics within my country's borders, Kosovo might and probably will be a precedent for them to seek self-proclamation and recognition.

Also it's a bit bizarre that the U.S.A broadly supports Kosovo's independence, yet it vehemently states that Abhkazia and South Ossetia are a totally different case and irrelevant to Kosovo. If you ask me, U.S.A is merely pursuing its interests in Kosovo and aiding my country simply to politically nag the Russian government.

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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-18 12:16:09 Reply

At 2/18/08 09:44 AM, BuddhaGeo wrote: I guess I won't be too original if I were to say that extreme separatism is politically contagious, and taking into account the two unrecognized de-facto republics within my country's borders, Kosovo might and probably will be a precedent for them to seek self-proclamation and recognition.

I'll agree with this. The west has really fucked up by recognising the independence of Kosovo, this will be the biggest boost to the morale of ethnic insurgents and separatist movements across the world. At least before you had a situation where the international community had to reach a consensus on independence. Now you'll probably have a situation where countries go around recognising breakaway states as a way of scoring political points against their enemies. How would our own British government feel if some other countries recognised Northern Ireland as part of the Republic of Ireland? How about Corsican independence from France? Kurdistan from Turkey? Why not carve up Belgium as well? Because all these countries have either recognised or intend to recognise the independence of Kosovo. So for the sake of needlessly antagonising the Russians, reckless western governments may be ushering in a new era of separatist instability across the world.

Also, despite the British armed forces being overstretched and short of vital equipment, our glorious leaders have still found a way to send 600 of our troops to help out in Kosovo. What the hell are we doing there? I can't understand why Britain and the rest of NATO is getting involved in someone else's back yard, it's not like we've ever needed to.

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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-18 14:18:51 Reply

At 2/18/08 06:37 AM, blob21 wrote:
George Bush won two elections in the worlds largest superpower, he may not be honest, but he's not stupid. I'm not saying that the only good Serb is a dead Serb or any shit but any government that sanctions the mass murder of civilians as a response to any problem, no matter how severe is in the wrong.

That goverment is long gone and dead, so i don't see a problem there.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-19 11:19:24 Reply

At 2/18/08 02:18 PM, SCG wrote: That goverment is long gone and dead, so i don't see a problem there.

True, but many people in Kosovo will not see it that way. I can certainly understand their wish for independence.

Also, whats all this about the west "interfering". I admit that, whether you support it or not we interfered in the war, but right now all we have done is recognize that Kosovo exists as a country. We haven't forced anything on anyone, we haven't blown anything up and it was them who declared independence, not us. The majority of people there want it, so why should we stop them from having it?

Even Serbia has said it will not use violence to prevent this, so thats pretty much all we would ask. Apart from a Serbian invasion or something we won't interfere.

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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-19 11:34:25 Reply

Catching it on the BBC News, I was amused that one of the Kosovans had the attitude of "We're independent now - what are Serbia and Russia going to do about it, huh?"

Considering both their armies have been within their borders en masse in the past ten years, you'd think he might have an idea...


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-20 15:44:33 Reply

Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

So before I started a flame war with half the forum, my point was that even though (in apparently only my opinion. Thanks Americans and Brits for not knowing enough to comment) in Kosovo's case this is perhaps the right move morally, that it IS technically illegal, it sets a dangerous precedent in the world. Lo and behold, Palestine has threated to declare a state, with other separatist movements watching very carefully how this plays out.

Is doing the "right thing" (IMO I KNOW) worth violating international law, potentially hammering the final nail into the coffin that the Iraq war has created?

After the Iraq war and this..... how can we blame anyone else for breaking these laws when we, and now our friends can apparently break them at will?

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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-20 15:50:58 Reply

At 2/20/08 03:44 PM, blob21 wrote: I changed subject. At will.

LOL


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-20 16:21:05 Reply

Id like to mention something of significance in regards to when people say that Kosovo has no moral or legal right to break away from Serbia. Take a look at 1776. The United States declared independence from Britain. Did they have the right to do it? Certainly not, if you believe that Kosovo has no right. Regardless of the fact that the US is thousands of miles away from Britain and Kosovo is literally within a a few hundred miles of Belgrade, its still the property of the home country, or at least it was. Kosovo has every right to break away if they are not happy with Serbian governance. The same was with the US. They were not happy with Britain. In addition, if i recall correctly, Slovenia, Croatia, and Bosnia broke away and were immediately recognized in the early 90s, albeit with bloodshed not seen since the holocaust. Hopefully we can have a peaceful transition this time, and Kosovo can finally become an autonomous state.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-20 20:02:09 Reply

At 2/20/08 04:21 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Id like to mention something of significance in regards to when people say that Kosovo has no moral or legal right to break away from Serbia. Take a look at 1776. The United States declared independence from Britain. Did they have the right to do it? Certainly not, if you believe that Kosovo has no right. Regardless of the fact that the US is thousands of miles away from Britain and Kosovo is literally within a a few hundred miles of Belgrade, its still the property of the home country, or at least it was. Kosovo has every right to break away if they are not happy with Serbian governance. The same was with the US. They were not happy with Britain. In addition, if i recall correctly, Slovenia, Croatia, and Bosnia broke away and were immediately recognized in the early 90s, albeit with bloodshed not seen since the holocaust. Hopefully we can have a peaceful transition this time, and Kosovo can finally become an autonomous state.

That made no sence whatsoever.

Those countries you mentioned were independant in the first place, and at the time US broke away from britain there was no international law. Plus america was a colony which kosovo certanly isn't.

Most ignorant post in this thread by far.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-20 20:04:04 Reply

At 2/20/08 04:21 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Id like to mention something of significance in regards to when people say that Kosovo has no moral or legal right to break away from Serbia. Take a look at 1776. The United States declared independence from Britain. Did they have the right to do it? Certainly not, if you believe that Kosovo has no right. Regardless of the fact that the US is thousands of miles away from Britain and Kosovo is literally within a a few hundred miles of Belgrade, its still the property of the home country, or at least it was. Kosovo has every right to break away if they are not happy with Serbian governance. The same was with the US. They were not happy with Britain. In addition, if i recall correctly, Slovenia, Croatia, and Bosnia broke away and were immediately recognized in the early 90s, albeit with bloodshed not seen since the holocaust. Hopefully we can have a peaceful transition this time, and Kosovo can finally become an autonomous state.

Counterpoint to the civil war which the United States crushed with no abandon. The south was not happy with the north and it escalated into a civil war, how is this any different? Sections of countries can't just up and leave whenever the hell they feel like. Citing historical precedence goes both ways...


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-20 22:05:55 Reply

The way I see it, a movement like Kosovo's isn't dangerous because of the reprecussions in Eastern Europe, but because of the worldwide impact. Separatism on the grounds of ethnic or religious differences is ridiculous, because countries are supposed to separated church and state, as well as integrating all cultures. As has been already said, what if next, Palestine declares independence? Or, *shudder*, Quebec?

Whether or not there's a moral right, there is no legal right, and the better solution would have been to seek compensation and kick out idiots like the one who claimed Albanians were "like vermin"

Also, Godwin's Law LOL!

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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-20 22:26:52 Reply

At 2/20/08 08:02 PM, SCG wrote:
At 2/20/08 04:21 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Id like to mention something of significance in regards to when people say that Kosovo has no moral or legal right to break away from Serbia. Take a look at 1776. The United States declared independence from Britain. Did they have the right to do it? Certainly not, if you believe that Kosovo has no right. Regardless of the fact that the US is thousands of miles away from Britain and Kosovo is literally within a a few hundred miles of Belgrade, its still the property of the home country, or at least it was. Kosovo has every right to break away if they are not happy with Serbian governance. The same was with the US. They were not happy with Britain. In addition, if i recall correctly, Slovenia, Croatia, and Bosnia broke away and were immediately recognized in the early 90s, albeit with bloodshed not seen since the holocaust. Hopefully we can have a peaceful transition this time, and Kosovo can finally become an autonomous state.
That made no sence whatsoever.

Those countries you mentioned were independant in the first place, and at the time US broke away from britain there was no international law. Plus america was a colony which kosovo certanly isn't.

Most ignorant post in this thread by far.

Well I guess we are certainly lucky people like you do not run the world, because we would have judgmental decisions made rather than moral and peer reviewed ones. The example I have cited coincides with what happened during the American Revolutionary War. That was a bid for independence, and this in turn is also a bid for independence. Dont think only of your own opinion when you face decisions such as these, especially when you dont understand them as well as the people who are actually there. The people of Kosovo are making this decision themselves, and I believe they know the risks involved, whether economic or military. Serbia has always enjoyed holding a tight leash over the former Yugoslav republics, and now thats its grip is subsiding, its getting mad. Well, tough luck. The people you held under the rule of an iron fist are finally speaking out. Whether you believe I am ignorant of the facts or in general, i could care less. Im behind the Kosovars on their decision, and I believe its the right one.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-21 12:20:46 Reply

At 2/20/08 10:26 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Well I guess we are certainly lucky people like you do not run the world, because we would have judgmental decisions made rather than moral and peer reviewed ones. The example I have cited coincides with what happened during the American Revolutionary War. That was a bid for independence, and this in turn is also a bid for independence. Dont think only of your own opinion when you face decisions such as these, especially when you dont understand them as well as the people who are actually there. The people of Kosovo are making this decision themselves, and I believe they know the risks involved, whether economic or military. Serbia has always enjoyed holding a tight leash over the former Yugoslav republics, and now thats its grip is subsiding, its getting mad. Well, tough luck. The people you held under the rule of an iron fist are finally speaking out. Whether you believe I am ignorant of the facts or in general, i could care less. Im behind the Kosovars on their decision, and I believe its the right one.

And if people like you were running the world we would all be long dead.

Nice to know facts mean nothing to you, no point arguing with you than.

Nice to know you don't know history either, really, i'm not even going to reply to that.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-21 13:16:13 Reply

Quite the contrary i think you are just being egotistical and cynical. You have greatly biased opinions supported by nothing but an obscene amount of rhetoric. In addition, I can see that you are very immature since you are resorting to personal attacks on not just me, but almost everyone who has posted here. It seems that, according to you, no one here is entitled to their own opinion as long as it is in support of the Kosovars. I have a feeling that is because you are a Serb yourself. I guess some things never change, even after the shame Serbia was exposed to in the early 90s with what they did to the former Yugoslav republics. And please, dont mention the "atrocities" the other countries of Yugoslavia committed on the Serbs. I am sick and tired of doctored claims and false exaggerations. I dont need this turning into a flame war, so ill leave it here, and ignore you all the same. In my honest opinion, you should have been banned from the forum from the start for calling people faggots and dumbfucks for disagreeing with your self-centered opinions about the situation. In addition, please dont even ATTEMPT to say i dont understand history and what this opportunity presents for Kosovo. I was there when Bosnia was destroyed by those right-wing militarist dictators you called leaders. Its always better to die on your feet against oppression then live on your knees in submission to it. Im done.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-21 14:56:12 Reply

Serbs so pissed they tried to burn down the US embassy.


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At 2/21/08 02:56 PM, animehater wrote: Serbs so pissed they tried to burn down the US embassy.

Yeah... tried...


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At 2/21/08 03:10 PM, qStik wrote: Yeah... tried...

They put it out.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-21 16:58:40 Reply

At 2/21/08 01:16 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Quite the contrary i think you are just being egotistical and cynical. You have greatly biased opinions supported by nothing but an obscene amount of rhetoric. In addition, I can see that you are very immature since you are resorting to personal attacks on not just me, but almost everyone who has posted here. It seems that, according to you, no one here is entitled to their own opinion as long as it is in support of the Kosovars. I have a feeling that is because you are a Serb yourself. I guess some things never change, even after the shame Serbia was exposed to in the early 90s with what they did to the former Yugoslav republics. And please, dont mention the "atrocities" the other countries of Yugoslavia committed on the Serbs. I am sick and tired of doctored claims and false exaggerations. I dont need this turning into a flame war, so ill leave it here, and ignore you all the same. In my honest opinion, you should have been banned from the forum from the start for calling people faggots and dumbfucks for disagreeing with your self-centered opinions about the situation. In addition, please dont even ATTEMPT to say i dont understand history and what this opportunity presents for Kosovo. I was there when Bosnia was destroyed by those right-wing militarist dictators you called leaders. Its always better to die on your feet against oppression then live on your knees in submission to it. Im done.

Sorry i was first with the ''i ignore you'' bit.

Wow i called them leaders when i was one year old? Oh naught naughty me.

You also don't have a right to say what was exagurated and what wasn't. I'll admit we did some shit in that war, but apperentlty all other countries around us were innocent victims. Yep no genocide in bosnia or death camps in croatia ever existed. Former yugoslavia was destroyed by 3 people: Milosevic, Izerbegovic and Tudjman. Exept everyone here hates Milosevic while Tudjman and Izerbegovic are being praised in their countries.

And if you don't want to be insulted go to a different forum. If insults were bannable 90% of this forum wouldn't exist.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-21 17:36:05 Reply

At 2/21/08 04:58 PM, SCG wrote:
At 2/21/08 01:16 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Quite the contrary i think you are just being egotistical and cynical. You have greatly biased opinions supported by nothing but an obscene amount of rhetoric. In addition, I can see that you are very immature since you are resorting to personal attacks on not just me, but almost everyone who has posted here. It seems that, according to you, no one here is entitled to their own opinion as long as it is in support of the Kosovars. I have a feeling that is because you are a Serb yourself. I guess some things never change, even after the shame Serbia was exposed to in the early 90s with what they did to the former Yugoslav republics. And please, dont mention the "atrocities" the other countries of Yugoslavia committed on the Serbs. I am sick and tired of doctored claims and false exaggerations. I dont need this turning into a flame war, so ill leave it here, and ignore you all the same. In my honest opinion, you should have been banned from the forum from the start for calling people faggots and dumbfucks for disagreeing with your self-centered opinions about the situation. In addition, please dont even ATTEMPT to say i dont understand history and what this opportunity presents for Kosovo. I was there when Bosnia was destroyed by those right-wing militarist dictators you called leaders. Its always better to die on your feet against oppression then live on your knees in submission to it. Im done.
Sorry i was first with the ''i ignore you'' bit.

Sorry I do not recall that in any of your posts. But whatever.

Wow i called them leaders when i was one year old? Oh naught naughty me.

True, you are. Had the habit of defending the bastard ideals of old Serbia faded from you, you would not vehemently defend Serbia's claim to Kosovo and with such strong, supposedly irrevocable language.

You also don't have a right to say what was exagurated and what wasn't. I'll admit we did some shit in that war, but apperentlty all other countries around us were innocent victims. Yep no genocide in bosnia or death camps in croatia ever existed. Former yugoslavia was destroyed by 3 people: Milosevic, Izerbegovic and Tudjman. Exept everyone here hates Milosevic while Tudjman and Izerbegovic are being praised in their countries.

I dont have a right to say what was exaggerated and what was not? And who says that? You? LOL. That would be like saying scientists do not have the right to disprove each other. *sigh*

BTW, everyone has reason to despise Milosevic because he was the one who actually began hostilities and drove so many people from their homes. Republika Srpska for one is is drenched in the blood of its former inhabitants. It was the rightful property of Bosnia. Tudjman and Izetbegovic only defended their respective countries.


And if you don't want to be insulted go to a different forum. If insults were bannable 90% of this forum wouldn't exist.

Hmm, well i disagree with that 90% claim because if the mods cared anything about proper conduct in the general forum, they would create a sole, Flame Forum, where sensitive topics can be discussed with unrestricted language. That would in turn create a insult free general forum and a separate forum where people can express themselves in a way otherwise considered unorthodox.

However, regardless of what was said before, I do appreciate your improvement in behavior in this latest post. Now can we keep it that way and discuss this topic like adults?


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-21 17:47:46 Reply

At 2/21/08 05:36 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote:
Wow i called them leaders when i was one year old? Oh naught naughty me.
True, you are. Had the habit of defending the bastard ideals of old Serbia faded from you, you would not vehemently defend Serbia's claim to Kosovo and with such strong, supposedly irrevocable language.

Im pretty sure Kosovo doesn't have anything to do with previously independant countries. If you are going to argue stop putting words in my mouth.

You also don't have a right to say what was exagurated and what wasn't. I'll admit we did some shit in that war, but apperentlty all other countries around us were innocent victims. Yep no genocide in bosnia or death camps in croatia ever existed. Former yugoslavia was destroyed by 3 people: Milosevic, Izerbegovic and Tudjman. Exept everyone here hates Milosevic while Tudjman and Izerbegovic are being praised in their countries.
I dont have a right to say what was exaggerated and what was not? And who says that? You? LOL. That would be like saying scientists do not have the right to disprove each other. *sigh*

You are a scientist? Or an expert? Or had any idea of knowing how many people died other than by the biased media?

BTW, everyone has reason to despise Milosevic because he was the one who actually began hostilities and drove so many people from their homes. Republika Srpska for one is is drenched in the blood of its former inhabitants. It was the rightful property of Bosnia. Tudjman and Izetbegovic only defended their respective countries.

Still no difference than Kosovo. Rightfull property of Serbia with albanians as a majority, just like serbs in Republika Srpska. If one should be independant, both should.

And if you don't want to be insulted go to a different forum. If insults were bannable 90% of this forum wouldn't exist.
Hmm, well i disagree with that 90% claim because if the mods cared anything about proper conduct in the general forum, they would create a sole, Flame Forum, where sensitive topics can be discussed with unrestricted language. That would in turn create a insult free general forum and a separate forum where people can express themselves in a way otherwise considered unorthodox.

Bleh and insult free-forum would be empty. Kids will always be kids, you missed the age average on this forum.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-21 18:06:23 Reply

At 2/21/08 05:47 PM, SCG wrote:
At 2/21/08 05:36 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote:
Wow i called them leaders when i was one year old? Oh naught naughty me.
True, you are. Had the habit of defending the bastard ideals of old Serbia faded from you, you would not vehemently defend Serbia's claim to Kosovo and with such strong, supposedly irrevocable language.
Im pretty sure Kosovo doesn't have anything to do with previously independant countries. If you are going to argue stop putting words in my mouth.

You also don't have a right to say what was exagurated and what wasn't. I'll admit we did some shit in that war, but apperentlty all other countries around us were innocent victims. Yep no genocide in bosnia or death camps in croatia ever existed. Former yugoslavia was destroyed by 3 people: Milosevic, Izerbegovic and Tudjman. Exept everyone here hates Milosevic while Tudjman and Izerbegovic are being praised in their countries.
I dont have a right to say what was exaggerated and what was not? And who says that? You? LOL. That would be like saying scientists do not have the right to disprove each other. *sigh*
You are a scientist? Or an expert? Or had any idea of knowing how many people died other than by the biased media?

Yeah i guess ill never know. Seems these days if you actually did not count the bodies yourself, you are virtually biased.


BTW, everyone has reason to despise Milosevic because he was the one who actually began hostilities and drove so many people from their homes. Republika Srpska for one is is drenched in the blood of its former inhabitants. It was the rightful property of Bosnia. Tudjman and Izetbegovic only defended their respective countries.
If one should be independant, both should.

Now i do not understand what you mean by this, but ill assume that you are saying if Kosovo were to become independent, then Republika Srpska should be able to as well? Now that does not make any sense whatsoever. Republika Srpska cannot just break away because that was territory conquered from an autonomous nation. Basically, it went like this: Bosnia became independent and was wholly recognized almost instantly. Then, Serbia moves in and conquers the northern part. Then, RS should be able to suddenly break away? I dont think so. That would be saying any country can just invade a neighboring country, take some territory and urge the new citizens to break away. Doesnt work that way. However, i mentioned before i did not know what you were saying, so this analysis might not be correct, ill admit. Correct me if im wrong.


And if you don't want to be insulted go to a different forum. If insults were bannable 90% of this forum wouldn't exist.
Hmm, well i disagree with that 90% claim because if the mods cared anything about proper conduct in the general forum, they would create a sole, Flame Forum, where sensitive topics can be discussed with unrestricted language. That would in turn create a insult free general forum and a separate forum where people can express themselves in a way otherwise considered unorthodox.
Bleh and insult free-forum would be empty. Kids will always be kids, you missed the age average on this forum.

You might be right. Looks like i gotta get the pen and paper ready cause its time to include the mean age in my equation for the scope of immaturity.


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At 2/21/08 06:06 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote:
At 2/21/08 05:47 PM, SCG wrote:
At 2/21/08 05:36 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote:
Wow i called them leaders when i was one year old? Oh naught naughty me.
True, you are. Had the habit of defending the bastard ideals of old Serbia faded from you, you would not vehemently defend Serbia's claim to Kosovo and with such strong, supposedly irrevocable language.
Im pretty sure Kosovo doesn't have anything to do with previously independant countries. If you are going to argue stop putting words in my mouth.

You also don't have a right to say what was exagurated and what wasn't. I'll admit we did some shit in that war, but apperentlty all other countries around us were innocent victims. Yep no genocide in bosnia or death camps in croatia ever existed. Former yugoslavia was destroyed by 3 people: Milosevic, Izerbegovic and Tudjman. Exept everyone here hates Milosevic while Tudjman and Izerbegovic are being praised in their countries.
I dont have a right to say what was exaggerated and what was not? And who says that? You? LOL. That would be like saying scientists do not have the right to disprove each other. *sigh*
You are a scientist? Or an expert? Or had any idea of knowing how many people died other than by the biased media?
Yeah i guess ill never know. Seems these days if you actually did not count the bodies yourself, you are virtually biased.

I don't get it, is it sarcasm or not?

BTW, everyone has reason to despise Milosevic because he was the one who actually began hostilities and drove so many people from their homes. Republika Srpska for one is is drenched in the blood of its former inhabitants. It was the rightful property of Bosnia. Tudjman and Izetbegovic only defended their respective countries.
If one should be independant, both should.
Now i do not understand what you mean by this, but ill assume that you are saying if Kosovo were to become independent, then Republika Srpska should be able to as well? Now that does not make any sense whatsoever. Republika Srpska cannot just break away because that was territory conquered from an autonomous nation. Basically, it went like this: Bosnia became independent and was wholly recognized almost instantly. Then, Serbia moves in and conquers the northern part. Then, RS should be able to suddenly break away? I dont think so. That would be saying any country can just invade a neighboring country, take some territory and urge the new citizens to break away. Doesnt work that way. However, i mentioned before i did not know what you were saying, so this analysis might not be correct, ill admit. Correct me if im wrong.

Ugh it didn't get conquered by anyone, serbs were a majority there to begin with, and they didn't agree with bosnia being independant. Just like they don't have a right to separate from bosnia, kosovo has no right to separate from serbia. There is basically no difference. If every group that was a majority in some country had a right to separate i'd suport kosovo, but since repuplika srpska, palestine, basque in spain, south ossetia, abhasia, taiwan and lots of other places, most of which have more right than kosovo to seek independance, can't have that right kosovo shouldn't either.


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At 2/21/08 06:32 PM, SCG wrote: taiwan and lots of other places, most of which have more right than kosovo to seek independance, can't have that right kosovo shouldn't either.

Last time I checked Taiwan was independent from china.


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At 2/21/08 06:43 PM, LordJaric wrote:
At 2/21/08 06:32 PM, SCG wrote: taiwan and lots of other places, most of which have more right than kosovo to seek independance, can't have that right kosovo shouldn't either.
Last time I checked Taiwan was independent from china.

Not admitted as a country though, or in the UN.

Even though it has much more right than kosovo.


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Response to Serbia/kosovo 2008-02-21 19:04:41 Reply

At 2/20/08 03:50 PM, animehater wrote:
At 2/20/08 03:44 PM, blob21 wrote: I changed subject. At will.
LOL

LOL what?

I'm pretty sure I've made my case and he's made his. Unless I'm going to frequent this thread and call him gay every day for the next month, I figured I would chang ethe subject to something more relevant to today.

Go and troll a WW2 thread or something