Illegal Immigrants

[Sole-Influence]

Anyone know why they are given free cars, free houses, and given money to go to theme parks?

[JoS]

What the hell are you talking about?

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/7/03 02:03 PM, Sole_Influence wrote: Anyone know why they are given free cars, free houses, and given money to go to theme parks?

They aren't. They're treated like dirt and spat on in the street.

[Slizor]

They aren't. They're treated like dirt and spat on in the street.

And not allowed to work and put in what only can be described as prisons and have inches and inches of space in papers cursing them. Hmmm, I wonder how many inches each refugee would get if it was averaged out.

[gerbilfromhellll]

from reading the first post, i can assume that whoever made this topic is both ignorant AND a pompous dick. moving on to a less ignorance-filled topic

[BWS]

Now, lets spin this debate a bit. What implications do you think that imigrants have on the economy. How about assuming that they generally get cash jobs and therefore dont pay taxes. Just a thought. What do you guys think about the economy and immigrants?

[IceWraith15]

I am an expert in politics, and I can assure you that immagrants are not a problem, it's ILLEGAL immgrants, hence ILLEGAL. Illegal immagrants receive many benefits of this nation without paying their taxes, therefore causing federal deficits, they are one of the larger causes of the californian economic crisis.

[BWS]

At 9/7/03 05:41 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: I am an expert in politics, and I can assure you that immagrants are not a problem, it's ILLEGAL immgrants, hence ILLEGAL. Illegal immagrants receive many benefits of this nation without paying their taxes, therefore causing federal deficits, they are one of the larger causes of the californian economic crisis.

That is true. They contribute to the deficits too much because they can legally qualify for the benefits that are there when the economy is in a down turn. They generally contribute to this differential beacause of other factors as well.

[Alejandro1]

At 9/7/03 05:41 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: I am an expert in politics, and I can assure you that immagrants are not a problem, it's ILLEGAL immgrants, hence ILLEGAL. Illegal immagrants receive many benefits of this nation without paying their taxes, therefore causing federal deficits, they are one of the larger causes of the californian economic crisis.

Another problem with illegal immigrants is the need for jobs. Right now is a perfect example; our economy is still in a slump and a lot of positions that could be filled by citizens are being filled by illegal immagrants, thus reducing the chance for a laid off citizen to get a job.

[clichealias]

At 9/7/03 05:41 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: I am an expert in politics,

I'm glad youre so modest.

[dudeitsallama]

At 9/7/03 06:20 PM, alejandro1 wrote: Another problem with illegal immigrants is the need for jobs. Right now is a perfect example; our economy is still in a slump and a lot of positions that could be filled by citizens are being filled by illegal immagrants, thus reducing the chance for a laid off citizen to get a job.

Yeah, I'm sure American citizens would line up to get a job selling oranges out of a bag on the side of the freeway if they had the opportunity. Who comes up with these arguements? Illegal immigrants aren't coming here to work for P&G. They get shitty jobs that no American would want, like cleaning the houses of rich Republicans, who don't want them in the country in the first place, for $1.50 an hour.

[Sonic-Youth]

America has a "dry" policy that if they make it to land, you are given money and a place to stay. If illegal aliens are caught at sea, they are returned to your country.

Many people don't know that illegal aliens are given perks for assualting our boarders, no one knows America's policy toward them.

[dudeitsallama]

At 9/7/03 10:34 PM, GridLock wrote: America has a "dry" policy that if they make it to land, you are given money and a place to stay. If illegal aliens are caught at sea, they are returned to your country.

Many people don't know that illegal aliens are given perks for assualting our boarders, no one knows America's policy toward them.

If they're officially allowed to stay, then they're not illegal, are they? The dry policiy was created so Cubans could escape "communist oppression" by coming to the US. It's the same as the policy towards oppressed citizens of other countries that are allowed to come to the US. This policy is not applied to Mexicans who are the main illegals in this country.

[NYBarbarino69]

I live in southern florida, palm beach county to be exact. I recently graduated high school and man I am glad i am out of that mess. The schools are being flooded with hatian immigrants, legal and illegal. In all of my classes they were the number one cause of disruption. The main reason they disrupt the teacher is because they dont speak any english. Many teachers are asked if they speak creole during an interview. Why should we go out of our way, spend tax money, to help a group of people that come here knowing that they need to speak english. Even when they are given english classes they still dont want to learn. Also all of the part time jobs like, bus boy, dishwashing, fast food, gas stations. not just the jobs noone wants. Also when a legal immigrant is the manager no matter what race or nationality they tend to hire only those who are inside that race and nationality. Its really sad that a hardworking man got fired to be replaced by an illegal immigrant that gets paid half his wage and doesnt know the job. I really think that we should take care of our natural born citizens first before we give aid to those who come to the country and not even take the time to learn the language. We need to regulate all incoming immigrants and get our economy going again.

[ShubNiggurath]

How about opening our borders and not being a dick to people who want to get out of their shithole of origin?

I got pulled over in west Texas
So they could look inside my car
He said, "Are you an American citizen?"
I said, "Yes sir...so far."
They made sure I wasn't smuggling
Someone in from Mexico
Someone willing to settle for America
Cos there's nowhere else to go...

- Ani DiFranco, "Every State Line" (Track 04 on Imperfectly, 1992, Righteous Babe)

Cheers,
ShubNiggurath

White will become the minority in 2010 in England if things continue the way they are.
No point, just a nice useless fact for you :)

[Slizor]

I am an expert in politics, and I can assure you that immagrants are not a problem, it's ILLEGAL immgrants, hence ILLEGAL.

Illegal just means that they were not legally allowed in, it doesn't mean they are a problem.

Illegal immagrants receive many benefits of this nation without paying their taxes, therefore causing federal deficits, they are one of the larger causes of the californian economic crisis.

How can they get benefits but not pay their taxes? Don't you have to register for benefits?

[D2Kvirus]

At 9/7/03 02:03 PM, Sole_Influence wrote: Anyone know why they are given free cars, free houses, and given money to go to theme parks?

Because you're a fucking idiot that believes that shit?

At 9/8/03 12:07 PM, D2KVirus wrote:

At 9/7/03 02:03 PM, Sole_Influence wrote: Anyone know why they are given free cars, free houses, and given money to go to theme parks?

Because you're a fucking idiot that believes that shit?

Damnit D2K, you beat me to it. ^_^

Anyways, this whole concept of "illegal" immigrants is the perfect example of the United States of hypocrisy. The founding fathers of America were not only as illegal as the next one but they actually killed most of the original Americans.

Mexicans don't come to America and hunt you down now do they?
No?
Then STFU.

[adrshepard]

At 9/8/03 10:58 PM, punk_disease wrote:

At 9/8/03 12:07 PM, D2KVirus wrote:

At 9/7/03 02:03 PM, Sole_Influence wrote: Anyone know why they are given free cars, free houses, and given money to go to theme parks?

Because you're a fucking idiot that believes that shit?

Damnit D2K, you beat me to it. ^_^

Anyways, this whole concept of "illegal" immigrants is the perfect example of the United States of hypocrisy. The founding fathers of America were not only as illegal as the next one but they actually killed most of the original Americans.

Mexicans don't come to America and hunt you down now do they?
No?
Then STFU.

Hypocrisy? Hardly. I'm surprised that with all of you out there complaining about the deficit you don't point out that illegal immigrants don't register themselves in anything. There's a reason why all these systems are set up. And if they want to live here so badly, they better abide by the rules to get inside the country.

At 9/8/03 11:09 PM, adrshepard wrote: Hypocrisy? Hardly. I'm surprised that with all of you out there complaining about the deficit you don't point out that illegal immigrants don't register themselves in anything. There's a reason why all these systems are set up. And if they want to live here so badly, they better abide by the rules to get inside the country.

You saw this one coming a mile away.

Did America's founding fathers obey the rules and laws of Native America? Or did they just take a shit on their heads and then kill them all?
Oh and then later on throw a hissy fit when some people do the same thing as their ancestors.

At 9/7/03 02:03 PM, Sole_Influence wrote: Anyone know why they are given free cars, free houses, and given money to go to theme parks?

A quick history lesson through US hypocritical immigration policy.
http://216.221.119.108/opentheborder.html

[Sonic-Youth]

I don't want a foreign people coming in (after we have established ourselves), who don't even speak our language and begin to take things over. Pretty soon we will have to learn their language and they will run the government and of course they will only take care of their own people.

If they are so hard working and honest,w hy don't they just work on making their own country better? Because they turned their country into a shit hole and now they want to come leach off of us.

I'm all for people staying where they came from. Send me back to Erupe (too damn hot here), Indians can have this place, let's send all the blacks back to the mother land they miss so much.

Then there would be no blaming outsiders for their troubles. </jumbled and perhaps misguided rant>

[D2Kvirus]

Just to get the UK perspective on it.

According to our Right Wing press, as well as any Government minister trying to avert attention from something (ie, lying to the public over the threat posed by Iraq, being responsible for the death of an internationally respected weapons inspector/scientist, being low in the opinion polls, doubling Income Tax since getting into power by always keeping it ahead of the tax rate etc.), these damn dirty foreigners are coming into our blessed country with it's majestic green, sweeping fields (yes, it is the same England you've heard about...), bringing with them AIDS, TB, taking our jobs, getting benefits for nothing, not integrating with our society, clogging up hospital waiting lists, and anything else zingoistic/xenophobic/bigoted/racist/ill-informed you care to sling at them.

OK, let's tick them off:
Bringing AIDS: No massive increase in the disease - in fact a decrease - in the last five years. And, besides, we had the disease before. We do have things like drug addicts, homosexuals, people that forget to wear a condom on a trip to Bangkok, you know.
TB: No increase spotted yet.
Jobs: Eastern Europeans are the new Australians or South Africans. They work behind bars, and that's about it. They don't take lawyer jobs, executive spots, or much in any way. Just like the US, they're minimum wage slaves for eternity.
Benefits: What are those? Anybody, and I mean anybody, in the UK on benefit (many of them White Working Class - apparently immigrants want to work for a living and try very hard indeed) are wiped out with every stealth tax TB (that's Tony Blair, not Tuberculosis) slaps on them.
Not integrating: Just like most British ex-pats abroad do, although at least immigrants have an basic understanding of English, and are willing to learn the language. Go to the Costa Del Sol in Spain, spot the difference. British tourists don't help much - look at the carnage we cause in Falikari and Ibeza every year in the TOURIST resorts. In the case of Ibeza, the tourists stay on the tourist resorts on the west end of the island (the club end), and seldom see the east end with all the culture etc on offer.
Hospitals: We have huge waiting lists because hospitals have no funding, few beds, and nurses are minimum wage cripples working 14 hour shifts. It was that way years ago, and has gotten worse. The idea of medical tourism doesn't stand up at all.

Thinking about it, on TV Nation, didn't Cuba come above the US and Canada in their healthcare system test (although the broadcast was changed so Canada won - hooray for Democracy!), so isn't it realistic for Americans to cross into Canada, or swim to Cuba, for some good affordable healthcare, with no waits? Hey, us Brits should be flying to France and Germany, or time injuries to coincide with the FA Cup final, or a major England match. I've done it, and got through A&E with a broken arm within 90 minutes, and a busted foot in under 40. The lesson? Sport heals.

[karasz]

At 9/7/03 05:41 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: I am an expert in politics

define expert... im intrigued... what makes someone that has yet to vote, an expert in politics? especially coming from a state in the worst political disarry this country has seen in years?

oh, and illegal immigrants. they work as gardeners, dishwashers and maids. i dont know about anyone else but i ahte hearing how people say 'fuckin mexicans taking away american jobs'

does anyone want to be a gardener, dishwasher or maid for life???

[JoS]

Does anyone illegaly immegrate to the US from CAnada?

Seriously though, these immegrants are probally some of the hardest working people you will meet, work harder than some people I know. They arent getting jobs as doctors or Sales Reps, they work for people (or in the case of Asian ones) for illegal activities and sweatshops. So the dude who staterd this whole conversation, your a fucking moron, get your head out of your ass and stop believing everything you hear. Its not that glamours of a life.

[PVK-PervertKing]

If they dont come here legally they shouldnt be allowed to live here.So fuck em all.

[BWS]

At 9/13/03 10:04 AM, PVK-PervertKing wrote: If they dont come here legally they shouldnt be allowed to live here.So fuck em all.

Wow, awesome point. So, you mean that if they arent here legally they are here illegally. Wow, what a concept. Oh, dont forget to fuck 'em all while youre at it. GENIUS!

[DrxFeelgood]

At 9/7/03 02:03 PM, Sole_Influence wrote: Anyone know why they are given free cars, free houses, and given money to go to theme parks?

Because there are some idiots (Dems) who feel bad for the illegal sombitches who cause problems here and don't contribute to jack shit.

At 9/9/03 11:22 AM, your_indignation wrote: I don't want a foreign people coming in (after we have established ourselves), who don't even speak our language and begin to take things over. Pretty soon we will have to learn their language and they will run the government and of course they will only take care of their own people.

YEAH GOD FORBID HISTORY SHOULD REPEAT ITSELF you asshat.

If they are so hard working and honest,w hy don't they just work on making their own country better? Because they turned their country into a shit hole and now they want to come leach off of us.

No, because America turned their homeland into a wasteland of pepsi bottling plants and Nike sweatshops who set their own labor and evironmental laws.

I'm all for people staying where they came from. Send me back to Erupe (too damn hot here), Indians can have this place, let's send all the blacks back to the mother land they miss so much.

I thought you hated france and germany for being "anti-war pussies"?