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OMG what the fuck are you talking about? First off, you actually trust homeland security? After Hurricane Katrina? You'd like to risk another 9/11 under those people? You're calling me the dumbfuck, but how the hell can a single cabinet protect us from an entire militia of suicidal bombers (Who are smarter and have more ties to money than you think) who intend to fuck up our world?

I never said I supported Homeland security. Get your facts straight. Theres a reason we have a 2nd amendment, which is what I said before. I could give 2 shits and a fuck about the bureaucracy that is H.S, we were doing fine with separate agencies. I call you a dumbfuck because you're a fascist war-hawk that doesn't understand the concept of diplomatic relations.

And you're second paragraph, well that's just stupid. As I said in mine, it doesn't matter whose to blame because the past doesn't change the future, and you respond by saying we're to blame, wow you pay attention. An America militia? Playing Ghost Recon doesn't mean you're qualified to fire a gun. But hey, I'll give you a benefit of a doubt, maybe you do own a gun, maybe your mother owns a small caliber revolver, you're grandaddy owns a boomstick and daddy has a glock. Well that's fantastic, turns out that Mr. Terrorist and his friends have an RPG, some C-4, an AK-47 and a fucking airplane crashing into large buildings left and right. Are you actually listening to yourself?

Are you trying to scare me into falling into line with your fascist agenda? Listen buddy, American militias exist. Even if we did pull out and the most UNLIKELY scenario happened, Local Militias are there to protect and defend the constitution just like the American soldier. I'm repeating myself. By the way, I'm gonna give you a grammar lesson.

At 3/7/08 10:00 PM, Fbj676 wrote: Give it time and the war will end someone will push the button and no more war but no more us either. Plus America started it and we followed like some lost sheep. god i hate england sometimes they start some war we join for no reason other than good ass licking and after all that rubbish we follow america some more with smokings bad we shouldnt smoke incase we affend someone who 9/10 isnt even from this god damn country

Again, these liberals spout their bullshit and you uneducated dumbasses lap it up like the dumbshits you are. BTW, you really should use spell-check and watch your punctuations. You look even more ignorant than you sound.

At 3/6/08 10:38 PM, n64kid wrote:

usa bombed historical monuments and killed innocents(weren't they supposed to protect them?),

source of intention?

Maybe not intention, but respectlessness.

Wow, scared to get on this blog, these things get too serious. Well to zee starter of this thread, you are an idiot. I've read most of the posts (missed page 3, sorry) and most of it was bull shit. Bull shit from Both sides. The "We did for da Oil!", and the "We need to kill every Towlie Fag there". I really don't support the war. We're pissing off other countries, and in a shit load of debt (yet just the other day I saw Bush give away 30 bil, A party was held for Americas most acheiving C-Student, and on the other side of the country the people were burning pictures of him) by the way, I'd like to hear a strategy on how to get our economy back in the shiz nit. I really don't know how anyone could support of the war, Or our President at this point. Well except for those people who find their cousins "Purty" such as our thread startin' amigo. Well i'm off. Bettah get a movin' before I get verbally pimp slapped by a "Bush Lovin' Dem Bashin' SommaBitch" bye

At 3/11/08 06:44 PM, KingsHighway wrote: Wow, scared to get on this blog, these things get too serious. Well to zee starter of this thread, you are an idiot. I've read most of the posts (missed page 3, sorry) and most of it was bull shit. Bull shit from Both sides. The "We did for da Oil!", and the "We need to kill every Towlie Fag there". I really don't support the war. We're pissing off other countries, and in a shit load of debt (yet just the other day I saw Bush give away 30 bil, A party was held for Americas most acheiving C-Student, and on the other side of the country the people were burning pictures of him) by the way, I'd like to hear a strategy on how to get our economy back in the shiz nit. I really don't know how anyone could support of the war, Or our President at this point. Well except for those people who find their cousins "Purty" such as our thread startin' amigo. Well i'm off. Bettah get a movin' before I get verbally pimp slapped by a "Bush Lovin' Dem Bashin' SommaBitch" bye

Well I ain't a Bush lovin' Dem smashing SOAB, but you haven't really stated much against the war. Countries have always hated America, in the 80s I didn't know anyone going to Europe without a Canadian flag on their backpack. As for the debt, the war doesn't cost America as much as it thinks.
In 2007 dollars, the excess in spending from our military budget compared to 2000 is 81 billion dollars. Lets put this into perspective.
US Debt (link) is 9,398,880,998,218 (2008 dollars)
Social Security spending for 2007 was 586,100,000,000 (2007 dollars) (wiki)
And the increase of spending due to the war on terror/Iraq was 81,000,000,000 for 2007 (2007 dollars) (MSNBC)

So that 81 billion doesn't make a dent in our debt, that 81 billion, however, is seen by the American people. It funds soldiers and their families, miners and extractors, and workers and manufacturing plants builing weapons. That money is not lost by any means, I just hate it when the media plays on it to manipulate the public into thinking that it's bankrupting the economy.

You don't see animals going to war.

Maybe fight over a lady.

Or a nice patch of grass.

But nations of animals battling each other. Never see that.

At 2/10/08 04:50 PM, G-Locked wrote:

Let's see, what has Bush done wrong. Well, for starters he cut taxes for the rich and put more of a burden on middle and working class families.

Bush can't fucking cut taxes you moron, he's the COMMANDER AND CHEIF OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES AND HEAD OF FOREIGN RELATIONS. He has nothing to do with taxes Congress does.

At 2/28/08 11:27 AM, aras298 wrote: I suggest that you do some true research on Islam. All that you have said is absolute nonsense and half-truths. I don't have time to go into the details, but please DO think about the Muslims whose feelings you are hurting, you ignorant misinformed and apparently tv-addicted brat. Go out there and look what's happening with your own eyes rather than sit at home in front of the TV or Internet - thinking that you've seen or read about the truth. Please do not make this mistake again.

Actually, that is the exact reason of teh split between the Shia and the Sunni. If you don't get that...it's you, not anyone else, who needs to read up on Islam.

America is not in war with the entire middle-east idiot, so in fact you're talking bullshit, because America is not in war with Iran, and their are terrorists who come from that country too...so...dumb shit.

At 3/12/08 06:43 AM, kamil-fucker wrote: America is not in war with the entire middle-east idiot, so in fact you're talking bullshit, because America is not in war with Iran, and their are terrorists who come from that country too...so...dumb shit.

America might be forced to fight Iran because they are anti west, hold the oil and fund terrorists.

okay the war sucks, big time. There are loads of "Wepons of mass destruction" in the world and thousands of people who are oppressed like they were in Iraq, which was our excuse to go in. It's blood for oil. Think about it what are we doing in those other contries? nothing! Why?! Because there's no oil simple as that.

it seems like why the war happened is not the biggest problem now. the problem is that we are there and have no real strategy to get out or fight the threat whtever that may be in your opinion. people like to complain about the war and argue but wouldnt it be more constructive to think up strategys for what to do now? it looks like this to me:

enemy: gorilla fighters, general support from populace, avoids direct engagement prefering to attack with untracable weapons and hit-and-run tactics, hard to track due to the fact that the allies are slow to move to threats due to the amout of micromanagement involved and various amounts of red tape, hard to track.

problems with retreating: any supporters we had in the country will probably die, it has little to no military force of it own now and so could be easily sacked, terrorists may follow us back and strike at home (they must have supporters in america somewhere).

if there are any other points that may be brought up please post them.
this should be a debate, not an arguement. once we have all the points clarified we can work out a solution. it seems that the posters on this topic are arguing because they both have radically different views and little common views on the proplems with various scenarios for how we continue this war. by putting all points on the forum and citing your information we can at least solve one of these problems. as well it is hard to argue when you have citations as the higher number of citations the person has the more credible they are taken to be. hope fully we can work this out without huge arguments. if i missed anything for how to resolve this democratically add that in a post. i probably wont be returning to this topic but i just wanted to try to help you solve your differences peacefully.

Those were Al-Qaeda not Iraq or Afghanistan, common misconception. In fact a major proprietor of Al-Qaeda is Saudi Arabia who in turn owns a lot of the major oil companies and repositories around the Middle East - including and not limited to - the largest in the world surrounding the Caspian Sea. War is bad, always, but if war is warranted in anytime it's to defend our nation's security. We were attacked by terrorists; not Iraqis; not Afghanis. We're causing an incredibly decimating amount of collateral damage, destroying their infrastructure, and creating civil unrest unrivaled even beneath the dictatorship that we've theoretically removed. Civil war plagues the lands, and we're left without an exit strategy. Meanwhile, back in the motherland, we're left with underfunded programs and civil and social problems going unaddressed.

There it is.

At 2/10/08 03:15 PM, machacker2000 wrote: I mean, it's the same bag of greaseballs who bombed us 4 times. And just try to say something Bush has done wrong. I guarantee I can show you you're wrong.

ummm name the bombings oh and bush is an idiot