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Yeah.

But if you guys haven't noticed the only messages that the middle eastern people are getting from our military actions is, "we hate you."

I feel like if we respected their nations they'd stop fuckingwith the world. Maybe.

They're in a hard place they're like angsty teenagers.

I have no idea.

the world is fucked.

At 2/17/08 01:22 AM, Helicopterz wrote: Yeah.

But if you guys haven't noticed the only messages that the middle eastern people are getting from our military actions is, "we hate you."

Pure bullshit!!

I feel like if we respected their nations they'd stop fucking with the world. Maybe.

Hell's Bells!!! You got it ass backwards, they should respect the rights of other nations to live in peace, but Islamic fucktards just keep on killing innocent people in other nations.

They're in a hard place. They're like angsty teenagers.

More like spoiled brats needing a good old-fasioned ass whooping.

I have no idea.

That's the first logical statement you've said in this thread.

the world is fucked.

Especially with liberal dipshits running around loose without any trainers.

At 2/17/08 01:07 AM, Helicopterz wrote: Violence is fucking disgusting if you support the killing of other people I really have nothing to say to you.

HAHA!!! what do you think troops in Iraq are trying to prevent?! O_O The middle easterners have been kiilling eachother for 1000s of years. You know nothing of the violence that we have prevented in proportion to the amount we have instigated. We've done waaay less bad than good, but at what cost to us? Is ending the on going violence in Iraq worth our soldiers and our money?

At 2/10/08 03:15 PM, machacker2000 wrote: I mean, it's the same bag of greaseballs who bombed us 4 times. You've seen pictures of the Middle East. If we lived there, our houses would be draped with canvas to cover all of the bullet holes, and we'd hear small arms fire every day. We are over there so it won't be like that here. If we continued to let them just bomb us, like French, we would have a war on American soil right now. So stop your whining! And just try to say something Bush has done wrong. I guarantee I can show you you're wrong.

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At 2/18/08 01:01 AM, arcansi wrote:

At 2/17/08 01:07 AM, Helicopterz wrote: Violence is fucking disgusting if you support the killing of other people I really have nothing to say to you.

We've done waaay less bad than good, but at what cost to us? Is ending the on going violence in Iraq worth our soldiers and our money?

Soldiers.

What do soldiers do hand out flowers.

No they walk around with big fuckin guns.

At 2/16/08 07:54 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote:

You're talking about his signature instead of the point he is making.

Connect the dots

My god your an idiot.

The normal human mind would have seen me saying "Recite your signature", and had the basic human intelligence to actually have READ HIS SIGNATURE and seen that it's incredibly relative to what he said, hence me telling him to quote it.

My two cents. First, the OP of this thread is an idiot. You want me to spot something Bush has done wrong, so you can prove me wrong? Go sit your ass down and watch one of his speeches. I bet 5 minutes into it you'll be amazed at how much of a dumbass Dubbya really is. We should have NEVER invaded Iraq. We didn't have the proof. We had Bush's daddy telling him to pick up where he left off. It was all about securing oil. When no WMD were found, it was about securing democracy(oil). No matter what angle you look at this the president did a shitty job, and the world will be a better place without him. However, just because we went to war doesn't mean that we shouldn't support our troops. I have a family member who joined the National Guard for college money and he was shipped off. He didn't beleive in what he was going for, but he was willing to give back to his country. That's what America is about.

Hate the war, Love the warrior.

While it is true that the war has had some immediate good effects in both Iraq and Afghanistan in the long-term the effects are going to be devestating for the US. By invading Iraq we have antagonized the islamic population worldwide and if before the war they were angry enough to do 9/11 what do you think they will do next. (Hint: It has the words 'nuclear winter' involved) After 9/11 the islamic population in IRAN were holding rallies in support of the US. Now how did we screw that one up? All in all we should have gotten more support from other countries before invading, and not the now very lonesome "coalition of the willing". To move forward we need to suck it up and ask the global community for assistance including the EU, NATO, and the UN. THe US can not solve the problems of Iraq on its own but there is definitley some hope for their future.

At 2/12/08 04:02 PM, AznWarlord wrote:

At 2/12/08 03:36 PM, SlithVampir wrote:

AND>>>>> It has cost the lives of 3,959 soldiers (29,092 wounded) plus an innumerable quantity of Iraqi civilians (60,000 to 600,000 depending on which study you do).

We're not killing civilians

Not true. Coalition forces have caused more than enough collateral damage.

, terrorists are.

yep, them too.

Leave Iraq, and every Democratic supporting citizen will be killed. You can't just say fuck em, they're people.

of course, but we should also be careful when we use "precision" munitions.

Owned.

indeed

Seeing as Osama was not behind 9/11- and yes, saddam and osama were going to make an alliance BUT- they hated eachother and saddam was not religious enough, too corrupt and perverse

There was a WMD. Remember Iran? The nuclear stuff that Bill Clinton, who is obviously very close to your liberal bleeding hearts, sold to Iran is now sitting somewhere in a warehouse, ready to be processed. "They stopped their Xclear program 5 years ago," you say. Yes, they did. 2008-5=2003, when Bush first confronted them about it. All this magical hippie love syrupy poetic crap about "if we respected them they would respect us" is completely moot. Some background on why they're blowing each other up and chasing camels:

Islam is divided into two sects: Shiite and Sunni. The Sunnis believe that Muhammed's son-in-law should have been the Caliph. The Shiites think his friend was robbed of that position. They are blowing each other's brains out because of disagreement over who should head the religion. "Islam: the peaceful path to Allah." Give me a break. And, do you know what it is in their religion to do? Kill infidels. An infidel is anyone who is not Muslim. So Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Deists, Shintos, Taos, (Daos) Pagans, and Mormons are all targets to them. So anyone we send over there as a diplomat would get shot on the spot, even if they were Muslim. Shiites shoot Sunnis. Sunnis shoot Shiites. We are over there because we were TRYING to disarm them of their nuclear weapons and find Osama Bin Laden. The U.N. kept us out for 3 months, and they moved the freaking uranium and Osama fled to Pakistan. Now that Benizer Bhutto has been assassinated and anarchy is taking place, we have probably already slipped covert people into Pakistan..

First of a lot of people here are under the impression that Arabs think like westerners. They are not westerners and therefore do not think like westerners. They respect power and will not respect something that is not backup with power. Pull out of Iraq before the democracy its powerful enough to command its own respect you will have anarchy and the surround nations will move in to divide up the spoils. Some nations like Iran have prejudices against Arabs that makes the KKK look mild in comparison . You give Iran the chance to take over Iraq is like giving the KKK administration of the Ghettos. People like throwing around the 60k-600k Iraq deaths estimate, pull out and I gurantee that UPPER estimate will be meet if not broken.

Also their are pockets of peace in Iraq such as Kurdistan. To my knowledge has have few if any terrorist bombings, civilian or solider deaths. Their doing so well that non military orientated companies are starting to invest in the area and less then 200 us troops are stationed their. Several million people live their. Keep in mind these people have been persecuted by Saddam, Iran, Turkey and Syria. They have been at times called the second Israel. Every time Saddam lost to the west he took out his anger out on them wiping out hundreds of villages and killing hundreds of thousands of Kurds. Now keep in mind that the US army is the only thing standing between them and those who would destroy them: Iran, Syria, Iraq sunnies, Iraq Shiites.

Now you have legitimate arguments as to why we shouldn't have entered in the first place but what is done is done lets clean up the mess and giet it over with

Why do people oppose the Iraq War? Because it isn't being watched by the leftwing President.

Wolven, just so you know, it's Al Qaeda.

People oppose the war because there is a general consensus that what is going on is unnatural, and that the United states, under the dirrection of a liberal president, would be able to win the war without any casualties, over the course of a few months.

because, honestly, who cares if we were wrong about the WMD'S, if we went into iraq and secured it in 10 days, no casualties, and there was 1 democratic nation in the middle east due to our workings, who would really care that 'bush lied, troops died' or any of that 'war for oil' nonsense.

Not a single person. Iraq wouldn't be televised at all consequently.

It's pretty much because people still feel pissed off over how it happened rather than the current state of the conflict.

Didn't Obama say he would do that in a debate with McCain during that recent debate with Hillary?

You act as though Al Queda is an entire country. Your country is at war with an entire nation when they're after 'terrorists,' and have killed more innocent people than 9/11 in recklessness. I don't even know why there still IS a war.

At 2/12/08 05:23 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

Let's also point out that we were attacked dozens of times before 9/11, and none since.

We existed for 225 years before 9/11, as opposed to 7 since.

Why do I oppose the war?

Well for one, The United States began this war under unconventional terms. President Bush sent troops in past his limit of 90 hours ?(Someone clarify plz) Without asking for a formal declaration of War.

Two, The war costs billions of dollars each year. Money that doesn't really exist, actually. Its just Fiat currency thats printed from thin air, creating more debt, which is exactly what the FED wants. A debt full middle class. Anyway, we're spiraling down into a recession, and We're not going to see anything new happen in the next 10 years economically.

Three, Is the obvious war for oil idea.

Four, Is killing a generation of American men and women, creating a gap in the gene pool. Isn't it funny how the way the generation gap is growing, is similar to Nazi Germany's gene pool gap after WW2?

Five, The United States now has a ruined reputation, and horrible standing among other nations. You Republican Hawks are to blame.

Six, We're now in the same place we were during the Vietnam War. Too early to pull out, too late to go in. We've got men stuck in the desert, fighting guerrillas who only want the Occupation force out, and yet, we stay and have a few hundred men die each day.

Seven, With all the money America Spent on military operations the past 7 years, We could have saved millions of starving Children, Found cures for diseases, and researched alternative fuels.

Its idiots like the Original Poster, who believe the middle east is full of America-hating "Towel-heads" and "Camel Jockeys", are to blame for the middle east turning into what it is now. Ignorant to the truth of our downfall. You idiots make me sick.

Why do Americans have an impression that the world revolves around them? It seems like every American babbles about their superiority to the rest of the world.

To anyone who thinks we should pull out, answer: If we pull out, what's stopping terrorists from coming over here and commiting more 9/11s?

Now they're more pissed off than ever and will more likely try to get back at us. So until all those terrorists give up or die, there's really no way out of this. I'm not saying it's their or the USA's fault because at this point it doesn't matter. There's no point in arguing about who did what.

To anyone who thinks we should pull out, answer: If we pull out, what's stopping terrorists from coming over here and commiting more 9/11s?

Now they're more pissed off than ever and will more likely try to get back at us. So until all those terrorists give up or die, there's really no way out of this.

Amen, man. Amen.

At 2/24/08 07:20 AM, RabidSquirrelStudios wrote: Why do Americans have an impression that the world revolves around them? It seems like every American babbles about their superiority to the rest of the world.

I suppose you've personally met and interviewed every American. Your opinion must be valid.

At 2/23/08 04:09 PM, animehater wrote: It's pretty much because people still feel pissed off over how it happened rather than the current state of the conflict.

Didn't Obama say he would do that in a debate with McCain during that recent debate with Hillary?

Hardly, the outrage over the war was founded on the casualties that resulted while the US was in occupation, they were at their highest during the time of the worst casualties, and the very basis of the argument was founded over the sadness of all the lives lost 'because of george bush'

At 2/24/08 08:27 AM, Big-Boss-Inc wrote: To anyone who thinks we should pull out, answer: If we pull out, what's stopping terrorists from coming over here and commiting more 9/11s?

Um. The American people. Just because we pull out doesn't mean that we're stopping homeland security, you dumbfuck.

Now they're more pissed off than ever and will more likely try to get back at us. So until all those terrorists give up or die, there's really no way out of this. I'm not saying it's their or the USA's fault because at this point it doesn't matter. There's no point in arguing about who did what.

Yes, they're upset, but we're to blame. You're just what i've mentioned in my last post. Ignorant. Theres a reason why the constitution has a 2nd amendment, in that unlikely case that we're in the midst of an attack of that sort, the american people can create a militia and assist the standing armies. I highly doubt terrorists have the exact funds to carry out a plot in such a quick time. Besides, you have to put faith in your peers to watch over your back.

At 2/24/08 11:26 PM, GriffinLancer wrote:

At 2/24/08 08:27 AM, Big-Boss-Inc wrote: To anyone who thinks we should pull out, answer: If we pull out, what's stopping terrorists from coming over here and commiting more 9/11s?

Um. The American people. Just because we pull out doesn't mean that we're stopping homeland security, you dumbfuck.

Now they're more pissed off than ever and will more likely try to get back at us. So until all those terrorists give up or die, there's really no way out of this. I'm not saying it's their or the USA's fault because at this point it doesn't matter. There's no point in arguing about who did what.

Yes, they're upset, but we're to blame. You're just what i've mentioned in my last post. Ignorant. Theres a reason why the constitution has a 2nd amendment, in that unlikely case that we're in the midst of an attack of that sort, the american people can create a militia and assist the standing armies. I highly doubt terrorists have the exact funds to carry out a plot in such a quick time. Besides, you have to put faith in your peers to watch over your back.

OMG what the fuck are you talking about? First off, you actually trust homeland security? After Hurricane Katrina? You'd like to risk another 9/11 under those people? You're calling me the dumbfuck, but how the hell can a single cabinet protect us from an entire militia of suicidal bombers (Who are smarter and have more ties to money than you think) who intend to fuck up our world?

And you're second paragraph, well that's just stupid. As I said in mine, it doesn't matter whose to blame because the past doesn't change the future, and you respond by saying we're to blame, wow you pay attention. An America militia? Playing Ghost Recon doesn't mean you're qualified to fire a gun. But hey, I'll give you a benefit of a doubt, maybe you do own a gun, maybe your mother owns a small caliber revolver, you're grandaddy owns a boomstick and daddy has a glock. Well that's fantastic, turns out that Mr. Terrorist and his friends have an RPG, some C-4, an AK-47 and a fucking airplane crashing into large buildings left and right. Are you actually listening to yourself?

You're saying you'd risk fighting them overhere than overthere as long as we pull out. Yeah well who's that helping out exactly? You're nuts.

At 2/10/08 03:15 PM, machacker2000 wrote: You've seen pictures of the Middle East. If we lived there, our houses would be draped with canvas to cover all of the bullet holes, and we'd hear small arms fire every day. We are over there so it won't be like that here.

The Middle East is like that because we're there you fascist.

At 2/23/08 10:15 AM, machacker2000 wrote: There was a WMD. Remember Iran? The nuclear stuff that Bill Clinton, who is obviously very close to your liberal bleeding hearts, sold to Iran is now sitting somewhere in a warehouse, ready to be processed. "They stopped their Xclear program 5 years ago," you say. Yes, they did. 2008-5=2003, when Bush first confronted them about it. All this magical hippie love syrupy poetic crap about "if we respected them they would respect us" is completely moot. Some background on why they're blowing each other up and chasing camels:

Islam is divided into two sects: Shiite and Sunni. The Sunnis believe that Muhammed's son-in-law should have been the Caliph. The Shiites think his friend was robbed of that position. They are blowing each other's brains out because of disagreement over who should head the religion. "Islam: the peaceful path to Allah." Give me a break. And, do you know what it is in their religion to do? Kill infidels. An infidel is anyone who is not Muslim. So Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Deists, Shintos, Taos, (Daos) Pagans, and Mormons are all targets to them. So anyone we send over there as a diplomat would get shot on the spot, even if they were Muslim. Shiites shoot Sunnis. Sunnis shoot Shiites. We are over there because we were TRYING to disarm them of their nuclear weapons and find Osama Bin Laden. The U.N. kept us out for 3 months, and they moved the freaking uranium and Osama fled to Pakistan. Now that Benizer Bhutto has been assassinated and anarchy is taking place, we have probably already slipped covert people into Pakistan..

I suggest that you do some true research on Islam. All that you have said is absolute nonsense and half-truths. I don't have time to go into the details, but please DO think about the Muslims whose feelings you are hurting, you ignorant misinformed and apparently tv-addicted brat. Go out there and look what's happening with your own eyes rather than sit at home in front of the TV or Internet - thinking that you've seen or read about the truth. Please do not make this mistake again.

At 2/10/08 03:15 PM, machacker2000 wrote: I mean, it's the same bag of greaseballs who bombed us 4 times. You've seen pictures of the Middle East. If we lived there, our houses would be draped with canvas to cover all of the bullet holes, and we'd hear small arms fire every day. We are over there so it won't be like that here. If we continued to let them just bomb us, like French, we would have a war on American soil right now. So stop your whining! And just try to say something Bush has done wrong. I guarantee I can show you you're wrong.

first of all: to bring Saddam Hussein down was A GOOD THING TO DO. but the way they did it is proof of what they were really after: the oil.

usa bombed historical monuments and killed innocents(weren't they supposed to protect them?),

and in the week after the invasion, chaos ruled. in the chaos, people did the natural thing poor people would do; steal what was left of historical monuments and out of museums and libraries,
wich should have been protected by the army, but nooooo!!! they were too buzy with protecting their precious oil!! i'm so sorry, i forgot!

At 3/6/08 11:00 AM, DrGanon wrote:

first of all: to bring Saddam Hussein down was A GOOD THING TO DO. but the way they did it is proof of what they were really after: the oil.

not this again.... there wouldn't be oil at 100 bucks a barrel because if the US wanted the oil, they would have secretly taken it.

usa bombed historical monuments and killed innocents(weren't they supposed to protect them?),

source of intention?

and in the week after the invasion, chaos ruled. in the chaos, people did the natural thing poor people would do; steal what was left of historical monuments and out of museums and libraries,

Like uhmm they didn't loot during katrina, so I don;t know what you're talking about.

Give it time and the war will end someone will push the button and no more war but no more us either. Plus america started it and we followed like some lost sheep god i hate england sometimes they start some war we join for no reason other than good ass licking and after all that rubbish we follow america some more with smokings bad we shouldnt smoke incase we affend someone who 9/10 isnt even from this god damn country