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At 9/9/03 03:19 PM, Sellout_316 wrote: Hey man, if you wanna eat cancerous filled beef and drink hormone infected milk, go right ahead. If you're too stupid to think that your doing more good than bad for yourself by doing that...why should that effect me. I'm trying to reach out to whoever will listen, you can live in your litte 14 year-old world of denial behind your computer, does not affect me one bit.

I wouldn't really mind giving up meat, but I live with my mom and she buys lots of meat. Just now we got back from getting a burger and fries.

Can't help it. I fear that if I quit eating meat I'll become an anti-war pussy.

At 9/9/03 03:19 PM, Sellout_316 wrote: Hey man, if you wanna eat cancerous filled beef and drink hormone infected milk, go right ahead.

the cancerous beef one i dislike... but so far link to cancer to eating meat in the US so the fda must be doing something right

the hormones though shouldnt really mess us up... except make us bigger and stronger sooner, more of the psychological problem of growing up than physical...

If you're too stupid to think that your doing more good than bad for yourself by doing that...why should that effect me.

the same could be said to you for thinking anyone here cares about where their meat comes from. I know, i know that KFC breaks the wings of its birds, and inject them with supplements to grow bigger, faster, sooner to sell. But i dont care. You guys fail to realize that some people have the ability to not give a shit about things. I dont care about others, i dont care about animals.

I'm trying to reach out to whoever will listen, you can live in your litte 14 year-old world of denial behind your computer, does not affect me one bit.

then why did you respond to his comment? Obviously it affected you enough to get you angry and respond to it... albeit it was a dumb ass comment by him. But until you learn that some people just dont care you will always be affected by the minority of assholes in the world.

Dude, why am I upset? I'm upset 'cause half of you guys are
getting so defensive and so out of whack with your comments and such, that I am just trying to say that I'm not posting this debate to feel like I can change the world. I was hoping I could get some educated comments and opinions on this issue, but instead i get everyone saying "yeah, i wanna work at a slaughterhouse," or "Im gonna buy a burger and then just throw it away to piss you off"
Who the hell are you people? you guys need a reality check!

At 9/9/03 03:51 PM, karasz wrote:

At 9/9/03 03:19 PM, Sellout_316 wrote:

then why did you respond to his comment? Obviously it affected you enough to get you angry and respond to it... albeit it was a dumb ass comment by him. But until you learn that some people just dont care you will always be affected by the minority of assholes in the world.

Oh. and by the way...why did I respond to his comment? Give it up man. You're just taking what I said and twisting it around to try to prove that I'm condricting myself, which I am not. I replied back to him because he was making a point towards me, and I was defending it. It is a message board, you know? That is why I am here, to talk. So if I want to reply to some guy who is on the other side of the world, then I will. Whatever he is doing and the way hes living his life is up to him. You think im here to try to change people? That might happen, but it is not my initial intention. I still do not know why you are here and what you are getting at.

At 9/9/03 11:08 AM, Sellout_316 wrote:

At 9/8/03 10:31 PM, punk_disease wrote: stuff

Hey punk_disease, thanks for the good rational poins. It's nice to see someone actually looking at things form a neutral perspective. You see, these people don't want to admit that torturing animals is wrong because they are afraid that all their life, they have been doing something wrong. They are afraid of change, or just to lazy to make the effort to adjust. Whether you, punk_disease, eat meat or not is not the issue, the issue is that you are giving respect to the animals who are tortured everyday as presented in the video, and one more person who believes in that, makes the much of a difference in the world

Neutral perspective: Everyone is wrong except for me and a handful of other people. We're right because we pulled some new sense of morality out of our asses and expect everyone else to conform to it.

None of us care if these animals are not living happy lives in a meadow somewhere. They don't have any real emotions or even half-intelligent thoughts. They don't deserve the same rights as people or other animals like dogs and dolphins. Why should we "admit" that what we're doing is wrong? It's not. There are more important causes out there than depriving us of one of the few joys we have in life--eating dead flesh.

(Einstein was vegetarian, you know?)

So was Hitler. What's you're point?

At 9/9/03 03:19 PM, Sellout_316 wrote:
Hey man, if you wanna eat cancerous filled beef and drink hormone infected milk, go right ahead. If you're too stupid to think that your doing more good than bad for yourself by doing that...why should that effect me. I'm trying to reach out to whoever will listen, you can live in your litte 14 year-old world of denial behind your computer, does not affect me one bit.

What am I SUPPOSED to eat with my beer and cigarettes? And why to you choose to ignore my point about kosher/halal food, which fulfills neither of those descriptions due to religious law? Those animals wouldn't even HAVE lives except for the ones given them by farmers. Do you really think that those grazing animals would be allowed to exist in a vegetarian world? All land would be needed for farming to feed the population. cows, chickens, and pigs would no longer be bred or protected. They would go the way of the dodo, my friend. Domestication is a symbiotic relationship, even with the harsh treatment of meat animals.

I feed an animal, and it feeds me. Quality of life has nothing to do with it.

Wow, this thread is now full of hating.

At 9/9/03 04:27 PM, Sellout_316 wrote:

At 9/9/03 03:51 PM, karasz wrote:

At 9/9/03 03:19 PM, Sellout_316 wrote:

then why did you respond to his comment? Obviously it affected you enough to get you angry and respond to it... albeit it was a dumb ass comment by him. But until you learn that some people just dont care you will always be affected by the minority of assholes in the world.

Oh. and by the way...why did I respond to his comment? Give it up man. You're just taking what I said and twisting it around to try to prove that I'm condricting myself, which I am not.

two things... 1) you are contradicting yourself, saying you dont care and then saying you are trying to get anyone that will listen are 2 different things

2) thats fucking politics... taking what others say and twisting it to make them look bad... ive been doin that since i was 5... and i am damn good at it...

I replied back to him because he was making a point towards me, and I was defending it. It is a message board, you know? That is why I am here, to talk. So if I want to reply to some guy who is on the other side of the world, then I will.

im not saying dont respond to people... i am saying that saying you dont care, and yet you dont stop trying to get people to not eat meat...

Whatever he is doing and the way hes living his life is up to him. You think im here to try to change people? That might happen, but it is not my initial intention. I still do not know why you are here and what you are getting at.

im gettting at the fact that you say one thing then do another... pick one, either you dont care which in turn would mean everything everyone has said to you is useless in your life OR you do care and that by replying you are showing that you do in fact care...

At 9/9/03 12:43 PM, aaronbow wrote:
Chicken: quick chop to the neck with an axe. By the time they would feel anything they would be dead.

Yes, but it's their living conditions that are torture, having their beaks seared off and being thrown into wire cages.

Cow/Pigs: they use a hit on the forehead or some kind of pain killer to numb them. then they slit there throught.

No pain killers, the captive bolt pistol was deemed too expensive at arate of one american cent per shot.

Lobster/Crab: they put them in a vat of wine or beer first. not only does it add to the taste but if they dont die from alchol poisoning then they are too drunk to notice anything.

So children who eat cran and lobster are actually drinking alcohol? Isn't that illegal?

sorry about any spelling grammer or punctuatin(cant spell that) mistakes. i suck at typing and spelling.

What is your source for all of that information you posted?

At 9/9/03 04:59 PM, dudeitsallama wrote:

Neutral perspective: Everyone is wrong except for me and a handful of other people. We're right because we pulled some new sense of morality out of our asses and expect everyone else to conform to it.

Oh eat shit you little bitch. If you don't like vegetarians and vegans that much you could at least try and convince them that eating meat is good for them instead of writing "YOU IS TEH SUCK IM GOING EAT SOME DEAD BUNNY NOW". If you don't give 2 shits about values and morals, then don't respond to this thread.

None of us care if these animals are not living happy lives in a meadow somewhere.

...none of us you say? Then who are you replying to? heh.

They don't have any real emotions or even half-intelligent thoughts.

...You don't even know what you're talking about.
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/1997/July97/animalrights.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/animalmind/
http://human-nature.com/darwin/emotion/contents.htm

They don't deserve the same rights as people or other animals like dogs and dolphins.

People eat dogs and dolphins. Rotweillers are skinned alive in China and are considered a delicacy. Kinda like beef only greasier.

Why should we "admit" that what we're doing is wrong? It's not.

The only argument that you can come up with is "it's not"? BRAVO, that is the most convincing argument I've ever heard.

There are more important causes out there than depriving us of one of the few joys we have in life--eating dead flesh.

Yeah, deforestation and cancer, that's so lame.

(Einstein was vegetarian, you know?)

So was Hitler. What's you're point?

*your point
And no Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. Learn to question what you hear, even if it's what you want to hear.
http://www.veg.ca/newsletr/mayjun96/hitler.html
http://www.micahbooks.com/readingroom/Hitlerveg.html

At 9/9/03 06:09 AM, ShubNiggurath wrote: It does if you're being a douchebag and aren't stating anything intelligent enough to reply to.

*Sigh*

The irony of it all. Then Sellout asks for nice people from his side.........

*Brain cells start to die*

At 9/9/03 11:26 AM, punk_disease wrote:

At 9/8/03 11:49 PM, UNpossible wrote:

And I thought animals ran away from danger. SILLY ME

Oh, so insects don't matter? All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?

Oh, and I don't suppose you have a link that says how many little bunnies die per year through tactor hit-and-runs?

Would you prefer shrews? http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

...go towards a squirel with a very loud chainsaw and see if he runs away or stays there waiting for you to dismember him.

They use chainsaws to harvest crops?

Let's suppose that's true, at least they weren't skinned alive or had their beaks chopped off or were beaten senseless with a big-ass metal rod. So if little kittens do sleep under the wheels of delivery trucks, at least there won't be another dead animal on that truck for me.

Where the hell do you stand on this? Either you care, or you don't care whether or not animals die.

Intelligent thoughts deserve intelligent replies.

*Sigh*

What a waste........

At 9/9/03 09:35 PM, UNpossible wrote: Oh, so insects don't matter? All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?

...Insects aren't animals, they're insects. Insects can't think and they're not skinned or dismembered alive.

Would you prefer shrews? http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

Uhm, those field animals would die anyways if the grain was collected to feed other animals because mass-producing meat corporations don't have open-range animals.

They use chainsaws to harvest crops?

No, they have similar thing that has rotating blades and makes a lot of noise.

Where the hell do you stand on this? Either you care, or you don't care whether or not animals die.

It's how they live that matters.

At 9/9/03 09:48 PM, punk_disease wrote:

At 9/9/03 09:35 PM, UNpossible wrote: Oh, so insects don't matter? All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?

...Insects aren't animals, they're insects. Insects can't think and they're not skinned or dismembered alive.

Insects ARE animals. An animal is anything that doesnt photosynthesize. Protozoa are animals. And the CAN think, just not very complex thoughts. But then again, neither can cows, pigs, or chickens... Wait, I guess DO have a point, just not the one you intended.

Would you prefer shrews? http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

Uhm, those field animals would die anyways if the grain was collected to feed other animals because mass-producing meat corporations don't have open-range animals.

and theyd still be brutally murdered by owls, snakes, badgers, cats, dogs, wolves, coyotes etc even if the fields did stay around for food. At least we kill the animals before we eat them, instead of just waiting till their too weak to fight back.

They use chainsaws to harvest crops?

No, they have similar thing that has rotating blades and makes a lot of noise.

It's called a combine, and theyre not actually that loud. No louder than a diesel engine, at any rate. And I don't know if you'd noticed, but bunnies can't outrun diesels, even ones as slow as combines.

Where the hell do you stand on this? Either you care, or you don't care whether or not animals die.

It's how they live that matters.

Not really. It's mainly their part in the cycle of life, which to reproduce, and then be eaten and thus recycled. Which they seem to be able to achieve, even in the worst, most inhumane meat factory.

At 9/9/03 09:48 PM, punk_disease wrote: ...Insects aren't animals, they're insects. Insects can't think and they're not skinned or dismembered alive.

Define animals. Can animals think? They feel pain, just like insects. They have themselves ripped apart, and thrown all over the field. Does that not matter to you?

Uhm, those field animals would die anyways if the grain was collected to feed other animals because mass-producing meat corporations don't have open-range animals.

Well, then what "if" that grain was gathered to feed people? All the rotten, and low grade grain GOES TO THE ANIMALS. Farmers don't give animals high grade grain (this is from personal exp.)

No, they have similar thing that has rotating blades and makes a lot of noise.

Chainsaws can only move as fast as their owners. Tractors move significantly faster.

It's how they live that matters.

*shrug*

Fine, start a zoo to treat animals nicely.

Humans are animals like anything else. But the point is that life consumes life, its a law of nature.

dude humans are omnivors hence the 2 types of teath and the fact that vital vitamins are needed from meet to help us live i respect your wishes of vegitarianism and what not but dont try to infoces your view on us now who wants steak

p.s. the clothes you are wearing whilst they may not be from animals they were stiched on sewing machiens that use coal and oil whick came from animals he fucked you up or is that all right becaus they were all ready dead?

At 9/9/03 03:24 PM, Lpmofo wrote: Heh, I knew you'd pull the age card. Trying to dig up anything on me you can. Guess I'll buy more "cancerous filled beef" hehe.

"hey john, I got cancer
How?
Ate to much burgers"

PS- I don't drink milk, I drink orange juice and Dr. Pepper

You tell him. Orange juice kicks ass.

At 9/9/03 11:15 AM, punk_disease wrote:

no, they're for eating meat. But as chimpanzee anthropologist Jane Goodall noted, the prefect diet for both humans and primates is fruits and vegetables with some meat, NOT the other way around. (i.e. have some steak with your corn, don't have some corn with your steak).

Jane might have been good for studying chimps, but someone forgot to tell her that there really isn't any "perfect" diet.

Look Sellout, noone likes the toture of animals, but the majority of the users here just don't care (including me). You've had your chance to convert, so why are you getting all pissed with what people put down? That's their opinion on the matter, and they don't agree with you. If you want intelligent discussions with people who agree with you, go start a "all vegan", or "Anti animal cruelty!" club, or crew. Otherwise, accept people's opinions as they are.

P.S. As of today, I have decided to "sponsor" (see Maddox's version of that) a vegan. Vension tastes damn good.

P.S. As of today, I have decided to "sponsor" (see Maddox's version of that) a vegan. Vension tastes damn good.

Maddox is one hypocritcal twisted sick fuck.

At 9/9/03 09:09 PM, punk_disease wrote:

At 9/9/03 04:59 PM, dudeitsallama wrote:

Neutral perspective: Everyone is wrong except for me and a handful of other people. We're right because we pulled some new sense of morality out of our asses and expect everyone else to conform to it.

Oh eat shit you little bitch.

I prefer meat.

If you don't like vegetarians and vegans that much you could at least try and convince them that eating meat is good for them

It's not so much that I don't like vegetarians. It's more that I don't like you. Besides, why the hell should I convince vegetarians to eat meat? It's their choice. New concept: free will.

instead of writing "YOU IS TEH SUCK IM GOING EAT SOME DEAD BUNNY NOW".

Wow. Either you're reading comprehension is really screwed up or you're just a dumbass who throws a hissy fit every time someone disagrees with him. I'm gonna go with option number 2.

If you don't give 2 shits about values and morals, then don't respond to this thread.

I do give 2 shits about values and morals. Just not your values and morals which I stated in my previous post.

None of us care if these animals are not living happy lives in a meadow somewhere.

...none of us you say? Then who are you replying to? heh.

I'm replying to you. You are not us. "Us" refers to my fellow meat eaters. You would be the guy who hates us because we don't agree with you.

They don't have any real emotions or even half-intelligent thoughts.

...You don't even know what you're talking about.
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/1997/July97/animalrights.htm

It's all opinions. No proof of anything anywhere. Besides, I never said farm animals didn't think. I said they're thoughts weren't intelligent. Thoughts of a chicke: I'm hungry. I'm thirsty. I'm sleepy. I'm scared. I have to crow/lay an egg (depending on gender).

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/animalmind/

Last time I checked, we weren't eating chimps and dolphins.

http://human-nature.com/darwin/emotion/contents.htm

Sorry, fear and anger are not emotions that count towards giving something the right to live. If you can show me a chicken couple that's in love, I MIGHT stop eating chicken. How about that?

They don't deserve the same rights as people or other animals like dogs and dolphins.

People eat dogs and dolphins. Rotweillers are skinned alive in China and are considered a delicacy. Kinda like beef only greasier.

Then go preach to the Chinese, dipshit.

Why should we "admit" that what we're doing is wrong? It's not.

The only argument that you can come up with is "it's not"? BRAVO, that is the most convincing argument I've ever heard.

Your arguement is "it is." Burden of proof lies with you, stupid. You're the one trying to convince us we're all wrong.

There are more important causes out there than depriving us of one of the few joys we have in life--eating dead flesh.

Yeah, deforestation and cancer, that's so lame.

Yeah. Fuck people! Fuck the environment! Just don't hurt the cute little cows.

(Einstein was vegetarian, you know?)

So was Hitler. What's you're point?

*your point
And no Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. Learn to question what you hear, even if it's what you want to hear.
http://www.veg.ca/newsletr/mayjun96/hitler.html
http://www.micahbooks.com/readingroom/Hitlerveg.html

Who the hell cares? It doesn't matter whether he or Einstein were vegetarians or not. It doesn't say anything about vegetarianism in general.

At 9/9/03 09:09 PM, punk_disease wrote: People eat dogs and dolphins. Rotweillers are skinned alive in China and are considered a delicacy. Kinda like beef only greasier.

To use one of my brother's words, in some places, people see dogs like we see cows. In some places (maybe the same places), they see cows like we see dogs. I think my brother actually eaten dog before (he's experimental). I'm sure you're right about dolphins, but I haven't heard who does it. Probably the same people who eats dogs, I don't know.

At 9/10/03 01:44 AM, UNpossible wrote: P.S. As of today, I have decided to "sponsor" (see Maddox's version of that) a vegan. Vension tastes damn good.

Not me. I eat enough as it is.

At 9/10/03 03:03 PM, Sellout_316 wrote:

Maddox is one hypocritcal twisted sick fuck.

Maddox>>>>>>>you

If you can't tell the difference between satire and real life, don't come here.

At 9/10/03 04:45 PM, dudeitsallama wrote: It's not so much that I don't like vegetarians. It's more that I don't like you. Besides, why the hell should I convince vegetarians to eat meat? It's their choice. New concept: free will.

Well obviously you don't like vegetarians because you took the time to come in here and toot your carnivore horn "HEY LOOK AT ME, I EAT MEAT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT IT?". When you rub something in someone's face you obviously don't like that person.

I do give 2 shits about values and morals. Just not your values and morals which I stated in my previous post.

Then why did you post here in the first place?

I'm replying to you. You are not us. "Us" refers to my fellow meat eaters. You would be the guy who hates us because we don't agree with you.

Then specify who you're reffering to because there are omnivores, carnivores, vegans and vegetarians on newgrounds.

It's all opinions. No proof of anything anywhere. Besides, I never said farm animals didn't think. I said they're thoughts weren't intelligent. Thoughts of a chicke: I'm hungry. I'm thirsty. I'm sleepy. I'm scared. I have to crow/lay an egg (depending on gender).

So what, they don't have any emotions either? Does that mean we should also eat retarded kids?
By the way, that is proof and who are you to decide what's intelligence and what isn't?

Last time I checked, we weren't eating chimps and dolphins.

No, but you are killing dolphins by eating tuna. And chimps are reserved for pharmaceutical tests.

Sorry, fear and anger are not emotions that count towards giving something the right to live.

You ask for proof of emotion and I give you exactly that and now you change your mind. Hypocrite.

If you can show me a chicken couple that's in love, I MIGHT stop eating chicken. How about that?

Dolphins and penguins have only one mate during their lifetime. Is that love? Any mother animal will protect her babies at the cost of her own life, is that love? By the way, it's impossible to do such a study on chickens bcause they're force-reproduced.

Then go preach to the Chinese, dipshit.

God, you're the perfect example of ethnocentrism, if it's wrong to eat dogs why isn't it wrong to eat cows?

Your arguement is "it is." Burden of proof lies with you, stupid. You're the one trying to convince us we're all wrong.

No, see we actually exaplisn why we consider it wrong. REMEMBER THAT VIDEO? I don't see a "meat is good video" video anywhere.

Yeah. Fuck people! Fuck the environment! Just don't hurt the cute little cows.

Holy crap, you totally missed the point and made an ass out of yourself, it takes 90 pounds for a cow to gain one pound of weight. Why do you thik the Amazon and most forests are going bye-bye? To make space for cattle farms. (amongsto other reasons.)
That's why eating meat causes deforestation.
And cancer? If you eat meat daily compared to less than once a week, your risk of breast cancer is 4 times higher.
Also, if you go vegetarian, your risk of a heart attack, which is the leading cause of death in North America, drops by 90%.
Are you going to throw a "WHO THE HELL CARES!?!" at that too?

(Einstein was vegetarian, you know?)

So was Hitler. What's you're point?

*your point
And no Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. Learn to question what you hear, even if it's what you want to hear.
http://www.veg.ca/newsletr/mayjun96/hitler.html
http://www.micahbooks.com/readingroom/Hitlerveg.html

Who the hell cares? It doesn't matter whether he or Einstein were vegetarians or not. It doesn't say anything about vegetarianism in general.

Obviously YOU care since YOU are the one who posted that Hitler is a vegetarian. You post something and then you say that you don't care about what you posted? Yeah that's real logical.

At 9/10/03 05:39 PM, OSC wrote: To use one of my brother's words, in some places, people see dogs like we see cows. In some places (maybe the same places), they see cows like we see dogs. I think my brother actually eaten dog before (he's experimental). I'm sure you're right about dolphins, but I haven't heard who does it. Probably the same people who eats dogs, I don't know.

Hhhmm...let me sort things out for you. Eating beef is considered normal in North America, eating dog is considered normal in China, eating beef is considered a sin in India (the cow is a sacred animal in Hinduism). As for the dolphins, it's only some cultures in the carribeans that do so since they depend on fishing and can't afford to throw anything away.

Out of Esquires book, Rules, A guide to living a mans life.
I dont care if your a vegitarian, just as long as you do it quitely.

Enough said.

On the topic of cancerous meat. That is not true. Yes some food is treated with radiation. However this process is totally safe(would they let it be consumed if it wasnt). It lets it keep longer, and safer then other methods. Genetically modified food (seeds) are safe. They make the plant less suseptable to certain pests or diseas. They increase yeilds and nutrition value of the food. They also become more drought resistant.

At 9/10/03 10:08 PM, punk_disease wrote:

At 9/10/03 04:45 PM, dudeitsallama wrote: I do give 2 shits about values and morals. Just not your values and morals which I stated in my previous post.

Then why did you post here in the first place?

To defend my values and morals.

So what, they don't have any emotions either? Does that mean we should also eat retarded kids?

Retarded kids are more intelligent than chickens. Retarded kids can experience love. Besides, human flesh is tough and tasteless.

By the way, that is proof and who are you to decide what's intelligence and what isn't?

I'm a human being.

Last time I checked, we weren't eating chimps and dolphins.

No, but you are killing dolphins by eating tuna.

That's like saying I'm killing deer by eating wheat because farmers shoot deer to protect their crops.

And chimps are reserved for pharmaceutical tests.

Better they test drugs on chimps than people.

You ask for proof of emotion and I give you exactly that and now you change your mind. Hypocrite.

Sorry, I should have specified that I meant complex emotions.

Dolphins and penguins have only one mate during their lifetime. Is that love? Any mother animal will protect her babies at the cost of her own life, is that love? By the way, it's impossible to do such a study on chickens bcause they're force-reproduced.

I believe that dolphins do feel love, yes. If you wanted to save the dolphins, I would support you. A mother protecting her young isn't necessarily love though. It's usually just natural instinct.

God, you're the perfect example of ethnocentrism, if it's wrong to eat dogs why isn't it wrong to eat cows?

Well then why doesn't corn deserve the same rights to live as we do? How can you compare dogs and cows?

No, see we actually exaplisn why we consider it wrong. REMEMBER THAT VIDEO? I don't see a "meat is good video" video anywhere.

There are "meat is good videos" on every day. They're called commercials. And I gave as much explanation as you did. You said that eating meat is wrong because the animals are mistreated. I said that it isn't wrong because farm animals don't have rights.

And cancer? If you eat meat daily compared to less than once a week, your risk of breast cancer is 4 times higher.
Also, if you go vegetarian, your risk of a heart attack, which is the leading cause of death in North America, drops by 90%.
Are you going to throw a "WHO THE HELL CARES!?!" at that too?

Yup, sure am. Let me tell you a little parable. An eagle and a condor were talking, and the eagle asked the condor, "Why is it that I only live for about 15(I'm guessing) years while you can live to be 50?" The condor replied, "It's because you eat fresh meat. If you ate animals that were already dead like me, you'd live to be 50, too." So the eagle decided to give it a try. He followed the condor to a place where a dead antelope lay rotting and landed beside it. He took one bite (or is it peck?) and spat it out. He turned to the vulture and said, "I'd rather die at 15 than live 35 more years eating this garbage." That's really how I feel about being a vegetarian.

At 9/10/03 10:28 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: Out of Esquires book, Rules, A guide to living a mans life.
I dont care if your a vegitarian, just as long as you do it quitely.

Enough said.

mmm-hhhmm... What about the people who came in here announcing that they were going to eat some steak or veal ro whatever?