Forum Topic: Timewarp Collab (flash 1 Collab)

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Posted at: 2/6/08 06:20 AM

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INTRODUCTION

Are you ready for this?

This is the ultimate in collaborations, and yes, despite my lack of a batting average, I am allowed to do this, for I am made of lulz and win. (jmtb liked the idea.)

So, this is it. The Flash TimeWarp.

HOW TO
If you have any questions, please post in the thread first, and someone'll help you out - or, if it's important, PM me.
Okay. First up, allow me to explain how this is going to work.

The TimeWarp Collab is a collaboration, where everything is made in Flash 1. Ouch. I did some research, and found a trial of Flash 1, which will last 30 days, and which encourages people to share with their friends. There's no link to the trial here, I'll PM it to those who say they want to animate. There are also rules, the main one being 'no advanced methods'. (See Rules)

The collaboration opens this Sunday the 10th, and I'll send out links to a free Flash 1 trial via PM then. The deadline is March 31st, OR 30 days after I've sent you the Flash 1 trial link. No abusing this trial, AT ALL. I hate program pirates.

The reason I'm making this thread beforehand is I'm just finalizing music, testing out the bugs (For example: how to get music on a program that doesn't support music) and this gives administrators a chance to reply and say 'NO WAI!' (Personally, I think it's been too long since Newgrounds has been sued...)

SETTINGS
To change these, once you have received Flash 1, open it, and go Format - Document - you should find these settings there.
Frame Rate
: 25 FPS
Document Size: Width: 6.5 ", Height 4.5 "
Background Color: For convenience, 'White'.
Length: Around 10-20 seconds. (Check the PM when you ask for the trial.)

RULES
No 'advanced methods'

This is the biggest rule, as without it, the challenge isn't really there. There are absolutely, under no circumstances, any 'tricks'. No photoshop graphics, no using frame by frame to create something that wasn't around in 1991, no drawing graphics outside of Flash 1, etc. There's a bit of leeway on these rules - and if you have any questions, post of PM, and I'll make a call, on a case-by-case basis.

Allowed/Disallowed
Pretty much everything is allowed, but I'll explain this briefly - if you can animate it, do it. The only things that aren't allowed are overly crappy animations, glocks, and porn (PG-13, please!).

Transparency Rule
I warn you, I'll be incredibly anal about making sure people don't cheat. When you email me your files, I will inspect them very carefully, to make sure you didn't import images. If you did, I'll tell you to fix it. But so help me, if you tried to hide the fact that you cheated, I will be very pissed off. So, make it possible for me to check how you animated it, or just say why not, but what happened.

FAQ

Q. I BE COAUTHOR PLZ?
A. Let's not open this barrel of worms... *sigh* I'll explain, towards the end of the collab, how I'm deciding who gets co-authorship, but different things will decide it, not just the amount of contributions.

Q. You mentioned 'Music'. What is the song?
A. The answer's just a jump to the left... And a step to the right...

Q. What if there's a HUGE amount of interest?
A. If more people are interested, I might make it two songs, extend the time, or see if I can't make it a bigger flash.

Q. What length should I make the animation?
A. That'll be revealed when it's time, but probably around 10-20 seconds. For now, muck around, and the proper length will be revealed in true time.

Q. Can anyone contribute?
A. Anyone with either good grammar, or one flash that's already in the portal.

Q. What are you doing?
A. Finding out ways to get around Flash 1's incapabilities, plus giving help, and a bit of animation if I have the time. And doing a preloader - and that most certainly won't be easy.

Q. Flash 1 won't <SOMETHING>!
A. It's over 15 years old. It won't be perfect. Post in the thread if you need a workaround.

Q. Flash 1 won't doesn't accept audio!
A. I'm formulating a very complicated workaround for that, but one that should make it easy for you to animate in.

Flash 1 is a real challenge to animate in, but it's possible. I urge everyone who has any animation experience to do this, because this is a real, once in a lifetime experience. And I can get it to work - hell, if all goes wrong, I'll just chuck your animations together in Flash 8 and export it that way!

So, get retro!


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LordZeebmork

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Posted at: 2/6/08 06:58 AM

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Heh, I like that idea. Is there a version of the Flash 1 trial for the Mac?


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Posted at: 2/6/08 08:27 AM

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I'll get the trial and begin after I finish my Fruity Fish animation (later this month).

The 'no using frame by frame to create something that wasn't around in 1991' seems crazy and I don't fully understand it.

Do you think my brother's PC will be up to running this? It's kinda old... hohoho.

In all seriousness, I assume in Flash 1 we can't hear the music when editing, but you'll tell us what part of music we're animating to so we can make notes and make stuff happen on appropriate beats the old-fashioned way, right?

Are we gonna have any theme, or just those the song implies?

Great song pick btw.

At 2/6/08 06:58 AM, LordZeebmork wrote: Heh, I like that idea. Is there a version of the Flash 1 trial for the Mac?

He only found PC trials I think, but I may be wrong.


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I am up for it.


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I could try, but I think that any fbf animators, like me, will find it easier to work with. Like animating in paint except now with frames. (If you get transparent windows program as your onion skin sorta, animating in paint is quite easy)


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I got your PM, and I'm interested but I don't think I can join immediately. I have other projects running right now, but if I finish those, I will surely join this collab! I like the idea of working with a 'primitive' program as an artist but my guess is it'll get downvoted in the portal, because most people can't see how beatifull the concept is!

Anyway good luck!

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Awesome idea!

Original and everything!

Im not sure I can join but perhaps.

Im not sure if ill be allowed to join either...

but anyway good luck :D


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Ooh, this sounds fun, count me in!

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Scalene

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Posted at: 2/6/08 06:33 PM

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Quote goodness!

At 2/6/08 06:58 AM, LordZeebmork wrote: Heh, I like that idea. Is there a version of the Flash 1 trial for the Mac?

I think it will work on a Mac. Not sure though, it doesn't say if it's for Mac or not...

At 2/6/08 08:27 AM, Bezman wrote: I'll get the trial and begin after I finish my Fruity Fish animation (later this month).

The 'no using frame by frame to create something that wasn't around in 1991' seems crazy and I don't fully understand it.

You're right. Neither do I. Let's ignore that, shall we?

Do you think my brother's PC will be up to running this? It's kinda old... hohoho.

My PC's 15 years old. It manages.

In all seriousness, I assume in Flash 1 we can't hear the music when editing, but you'll tell us what part of music we're animating to so we can make notes and make stuff happen on appropriate beats the old-fashioned way, right?

My current workaround is importing a blank .avi file with the song snippet, and having people import that to do it. Otherwise, yes, we will have to do that.

Are we gonna have any theme, or just those the song implies?

Great song pick btw.

Any theme, really, and the animation may link to the song, but it doesn't have to. It should, however, suit the song's pace. And yes, I love that song too. Has a lot of animating potential, as well!

At 2/6/08 06:58 AM, LordZeebmork wrote: Heh, I like that idea. Is there a version of the Flash 1 trial for the Mac?
He only found PC trials I think, but I may be wrong.

It does not say whether it is for Mac or PC.

At 2/6/08 10:08 AM, Hylian-Mafia wrote: I am up for it.

Good to know!

At 2/6/08 10:43 AM, PureMalice wrote: I could try, but I think that any fbf animators, like me, will find it easier to work with. Like animating in paint except now with frames. (If you get transparent windows program as your onion skin sorta, animating in paint is quite easy)

Yup. In fact, try to make it as good as you can, and forget the advanced fbf rule. If it looks good, do it!

At 2/6/08 10:44 AM, Gatling wrote: I got your PM, and I'm interested but I don't think I can join immediately. I have other projects running right now, but if I finish those, I will surely join this collab! I like the idea of working with a 'primitive' program as an artist but my guess is it'll get downvoted in the portal, because most people can't see how beatifull the concept is!

Anyway good luck!

No, I think that people will know how difficult it is. Maybe the analogy 'This is like animating in PAINT' will work.

At 2/6/08 10:59 AM, Evion wrote: Awesome idea!

Original and everything!

Im not sure I can join but perhaps.

Im not sure if ill be allowed to join either...

but anyway good luck :D

Why wouldn't you be allowed to join?

At 2/6/08 11:01 AM, OneWhoListens wrote: Ooh, this sounds fun, count me in!

Yay!

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sex plz?

At 2/6/08 11:20 AM, Volit0 wrote: Sorry but i'm quitting >_<

That was fast. o.O


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Well send me the link to the trial and I'll check the program out... and I'll let you know if I'm up for it or not. I've got something good in mind... oh, and I love the song you picked ;)


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Sorry about this, not saying its a bad idea, but I'm going to have to redirect you to the Collab Rules page. The one real problem that is holding you back is that you don't have a 3.00 Batting Average. Read more about that in Help / FAQ: Batting Averages.

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Listen, I just noticed that you said JMTB02 liked the idea. I would say you should try and get real consent from a mod, and tell them to post here about it if they're all right. If so, ignore my last post, otherwise read it.

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It's just a jump to the left!

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Posted at: 2/7/08 02:09 AM

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At 2/6/08 07:56 PM, El-Presidente wrote: Sorry about this, not saying its a bad idea, but I'm going to have to redirect you to the Collab Rules page. The one real problem that is holding you back is that you don't have a 3.00 Batting Average. Read more about that in Help / FAQ: Batting Averages.

Read OP. :)

At 2/6/08 07:58 PM, El-Presidente wrote: Listen, I just noticed that you said JMTB02 liked the idea. I would say you should try and get real consent from a mod, and tell them to post here about it if they're all right. If so, ignore my last post, otherwise read it.

I've got real consent from a mod - jmtb. I can't link to the original post, as it has a link to the trial as well, but here's a PM from him when I asked him what the admins said - (he wanted to double check the legal stuff about using a 15-year-old trial with the admins)

At 2/1/08 3:12 AM, jmtb02 wrote: Just go ahead and do it... I'm not getting responses back. Just make sure everyone follows the rules and that it is within the terms of use of the software.

P.S: Scalene is awesome, and should be worshiped daily for being so awesome and mightily powerful.

I've also PM'd him to confirm. But seriously, would I lie about this? (Maybe I added the P.S bit... :P) I'd get banned back to when this kind of animation was STANDARD! :D Anyway, thanks for that, and I appreciate it.

At 2/6/08 07:56 PM, Kes wrote: I'm interested in joining. I already have an setup file for futuresplash animator, if that's the same thing as flash 1.

Hush! Do not reveal the secret name!

At 2/6/08 08:01 PM, CaptinChu wrote: It's just a jump to the left!

And a step to the RI-I-IA-I-IGHT...


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(Apologies for the double post, but I like to reply to everyone...)

At 2/6/08 07:51 PM, dustyh wrote: Well send me the link to the trial and I'll check the program out... and I'll let you know if I'm up for it or not. I've got something good in mind... oh, and I love the song you picked ;)

Alright, that's good to know!


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I want to join! I can't garantee you that I can't finish it. That all depends on the deadline and my schoolwork. But I have this cool idea and I think this is the best idea for a collab so far. This'll write portal history. I'm in!

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Damn you, Windows Vista! It doesn't seem to work on my PC it keeps on aborting the installation. :(

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At 2/7/08 06:06 AM, Gatling wrote: Damn you, Windows Vista! It doesn't seem to work on my PC it keeps on aborting the installation. :(

Future Splash Animator 2 works though! But I guess that I can't join the collab. *Sigh*

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Wow this is an awesome idea, can I take part?

Always wanted to see what flash one looked like :P

Just click the sig, idiot.

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hmm sounds good I'd like to have a go at it...

um lol? thats just about all I have to say to you right now


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Scalene is a golden God and has my permission to run the collab.

Hi there!

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At 2/7/08 06:29 AM, Gatling wrote:
At 2/7/08 06:06 AM, Gatling wrote: Damn you, Windows Vista! It doesn't seem to work on my PC it keeps on aborting the installation. :(
Future Splash Animator 2 works though! But I guess that I can't join the collab. *Sigh*

Yeah, it's wierd like that. But you might have another PC somewhere?

At 2/7/08 11:20 AM, Lard-lad wrote: Wow this is an awesome idea, can I take part?

Always wanted to see what flash one looked like :P

It's fucking awesome. Sure you can join!


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(Sorry, hit 'Post Message' a bit early. Ah well, +1 Post!)

At 2/7/08 11:34 AM, hollowbullet wrote: hmm sounds good I'd like to have a go at it...

Your flashes seem good, so come on, and have a blast!

At 2/7/08 11:40 AM, jmtb02 wrote: Scalene is a golden God and has my permission to run the collab.

Thanks, jmtb.
sex plz?


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fucking righteous. Count me in bitches!

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I'll give it a shot if i may


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At 2/6/08 07:56 PM, El-Presidente wrote: Sorry about this, not saying its a bad idea, but I'm going to have to redirect you to the Collab Rules page. The one real problem that is holding you back is that you don't have a 3.00 Batting Average. Read more about that in Help / FAQ: Batting Averages.

lighten up a little. let this one slide. this is good stuff, is it not? The collab leader really knows what he's doing or at least seems like it. I think its a crazy thing holding this back because of his BA. but if you really want to enforce this, i guess we could all head over to ngcollabs. :{

does our animation have to be matched with the music? because if its a music collab with flash 1, im not sure if i like the idea. if its an experimental collab with flash 1, i like the idea. it was called FutureSplashAnimator, wasn't it?

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PM me the file. im ready to go.

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I'm down with that.

you are probably not funny


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At 2/7/08 07:05 PM, Wiiporter wrote: I'm down with that.

does that mean that:

you're joing?
you're agreeing?
you're spamming?
you're an idiot?

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At 2/7/08 07:34 PM, WhiplashStudio wrote:
At 2/7/08 07:05 PM, Wiiporter wrote: I'm down with that.
does that mean that:

you're joing?
you're agreeing?
you're spamming?
you're an idiot?

Joining. Oh, and how big is the Flash 1 download file?

you are probably not funny


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