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:Hah, just re-read, I'm such an arse.

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Tracing and/or heavily referencing photographs doesn't mean someone ISN'T an artist...

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At 3/11/08 08:03 PM, CosmicDeath wrote:
Hah, just re-read, I'm such an arse.
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Tracing and/or heavily referencing photographs doesn't mean someone ISN'T an artist...

I used sylvia saint for my reference, a mistake as I spent 20% of my time drawing and the rest fapping like a fricking rabid monkey hungry for peanuts

But as I was saying vote 5 ! for me !

Hey all check out MYSPACE

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At 3/11/08 08:00 PM, CosmicDeath wrote:
Tracing and/or heavily referencing photographs doesn't mean someone is an artist. Most of the finest artists reference photographs, and even a person standing right in front of them - technically tracing from vision.

I said the same thing a couple of times in these forums...I figured it out though...They are just jealous...they think they are all experts at PS and art in general....the fact is that they are jealous and have no clue what good art is....I love when people copy, paste then draw shit all over your work and say this is how it should really look...most people worked hard on these and it shows there are some really cool images in for this contest...95% of the stuff in this so called art forum is crap...so I was really surprised...I guess I am here for the 5% that doesn't suck............what...hhuunn......where was I going...

Don't make claims about people tracing a work completely or say they just added some filters to the original photo unless you have the proof....


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At 3/11/08 08:00 PM, CosmicDeath wrote:
Haha. I'm glad you were only joking. But for those who actually think like that:

Tracing and/or heavily referencing photographs doesn't mean someone is an artist. Most of the finest artists reference photographs, and even a person standing right in front of them - technically tracing from vision.

I'm willing to admit that if I hadn't traced a photograph that I had taken specifically for this, I might have had a different perspective in this discussion; as it stands, I don't remember there being anything in the rules stating there was to be no tracing. In fact, I think I saw mention of doing that exact thing, several times, as an option for creating your image...

However; I'm starting to wish I hadn't traced my main figure. There are some very dynamic figures happening. Very exciting! ^_^

The main difference between referencing and tracing is that referencing from either a photo or a real model/object requires hand to eye coordination, while tracing requires a very steady hand and, if digital, a large resolution. The former takes years and years of training and practice, while the latter can be done in a few hours. Reference doesn't directly copy either.

Most artists do reference images or models in their artwork to maintain accuracy though (especially with unfamiliar subjects). Although doing that in real life with real objects is much harder than via a photograph, since a photograph already determines all the light and composition in a 2D frame.

However, I'm not denouncing tracing either; it just takes less skill so to speak...but a whole less time. XD So it's smart, in a way.

Good luck to all the participants, I see awesome entries! D:

:diminishing chances of winning! >_<


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Traced or not, if it looks good and it's not a blatant rip-off of someone else's work...then you're fine/
In the end, it all comes down to a matter of conscience. Each one has a limit. Right now I'm pretty sure I can't do a sakerfalcon, but I tried my best and I feel like I went beyong my former limit. I'm proud of it. Next time I'll try and do an even better piece.
Most people enter this contests because of prizes and glory, but in the end, as we never win, it's all about the chalenge!

SirSeraphdeFallen, I'm sorry I mentioned your pic. It's just that when I looked at it, it really looked like just a photoshop filtered girl. But if you say you spent time on it and actually tried, I believe you and I apologize.

DooDooMeat, a guy from my uni was checking out the entries and he thought yours was the best! Just thought I'd let you know!

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Yeah, after looking at all the submissions I realized I should have started mine off in a larger scale then shrink it down to size... Damn I knew there was something wrong >.<

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Judging takes too long. We should just fight to the death.

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At 3/12/08 06:14 AM, Occluded wrote: Judging takes too long. We should just fight to the death.

If I could type the Kirk Versus Spock fight song, I totally would.

Pre-emptive Edit/Double Post:
Screw it.

na na na na reek REEK reek na na na da da na na na da da raaaaaAAAAAh!

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At 3/12/08 06:14 AM, Occluded wrote: Judging takes too long. We should just fight to the death.

i wil beat u up, bitch

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At 3/11/08 11:11 PM, Dasneviano wrote: Traced or not, if it looks good and it's not a blatant rip-off of someone else's work...then you're fine/
In the end, it all comes down to a matter of conscience. Each one has a limit. Right now I'm pretty sure I can't do a sakerfalcon, but I tried my best and I feel like I went beyong my former limit. I'm proud of it. Next time I'll try and do an even better piece.
Most people enter this contests because of prizes and glory, but in the end, as we never win, it's all about the chalenge!

SirSeraphdeFallen, I'm sorry I mentioned your pic. It's just that when I looked at it, it really looked like just a photoshop filtered girl. But if you say you spent time on it and actually tried, I believe you and I apologize.

There is no need for an apology. I can see where you would make that assuption, compared to the rest of the submissions it does look photoshopped. i would just like to find some tutorials that actually teach you how to digital paint. I appreciate Pox putting up the one they did, but still it isnt even that helpful. watching the speed painting videos are no help either. most of the tutorials i found have 6 pages of reading material and 3 to 5 reference photos and thats it. when i see a tutorial i want to see some detailed step by step action, not 5 steps paraphrased into 1 step without reference photos.

Evil spelled backwards is Live and we all want to do that now don't we.
Deny the big lie, don't beLIEve and don't conform.

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At 3/12/08 06:48 AM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote: i wil beat u up, bitch

And that's why you will lose. Fight to the death. Not to the beaten up.

Take this!

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To chime in on the tracing discussion:

Normally, for professional artists there is absolutely nothing wrong with tracing so long as the photo/work that you're tracing is your own. You certainly can't trace other people's photos because a photo is a work of art and that's plagiarism. You can always buy stock photos or use stock that is free, but unless you make some drastic changes to the composition etc, how much did you actually contribute to the piece?

A lot of time and effort goes into the preparation of a photorealistic painting. For example if you wanted to do a war scene, you could buy a plastic model of a tank, take photographs of it, rent world war 2 garb, shoot some models in said garb, travel to a field, photograph it, piece together a composition in photoshop, blow it up, line trace it, THEN paint it.
It's a lot of work...
Of course that doesn't apply to artists who may just draw all this stuff from their head or with minimal reference, because they're ridiculously talented.
But for the rest of us... lot's of prep.

But yeah, I'm not talking down any of the pieces in this contest. After all, it was stated in the rules that tracing photos from the internet is fine, and it's just for practice/fun anyway.


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Thats why i made an entry to begin with, i thought it would be fun, snd it is something i hadnt done before(the gidital painting). im a more traditional artists myself. i am willing to bet my cover would have turned out 1000 times better if i had just hand drawn and colored it and then just scanned it into my pc.

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By tracing your not pushing your boundaries, anyone can trace..
I go to a life drawing class out side of college in m free time so I can learn the human figure better.
Drawing from reference is perfectly acceptable though, but tracing.. it's obvious when you have.
And filters are the worst thing ever put on photoshop. They're horrible and tacky.


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At 3/11/08 10:03 PM, DooDooMeaT wrote:
I said the same thing a couple of times in these forums...I figured it out though...They are just jealous...they think they are all experts at PS and art in general....the fact is that they are jealous and have no clue what good art is....I love when people copy, paste then draw shit all over your work and say this is how it should really look...

Lol, I agree, like the dork who did this

most people worked hard on these and it shows there are some really cool images in for this contest...95% of the stuff in this so called art forum is crap...so I was really surprised...I guess I am here for the 5% that doesn't suck............what...hhuunn......where was I going...

lol, people make suggestions because they want to help.. not because they are jealous.
oh, tracing or heavily referencing is only art when you can do it without it, and not have your work fall apart.

"as for the kids on the art forum? I don't have compassion for kids who come on forums to learn how to draw. that's just stupid. " ~Basicsunshine

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Why don't you liek mine aaaaarggggggh goddamn.

next time I'll just paint some asian chick with a sword with her legs wide open with a photoshop filter background :P Would save alot of time and headache.

Just kidding. Good luck everyone!


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At 3/12/08 07:04 PM, MindChamber wrote:
At 3/11/08 10:03 PM, DooDooMeaT wrote:
I said the same thing a couple of times in these forums...I figured it out though...They are just jealous...they think they are all experts at PS and art in general....the fact is that they are jealous and have no clue what good art is....I love when people copy, paste then draw shit all over your work and say this is how it should really look...
Lol, I agree, like the dork who did this

most people worked hard on these and it shows there are some really cool images in for this contest...95% of the stuff in this so called art forum is crap...so I was really surprised...I guess I am here for the 5% that doesn't suck............what...hhuunn......where was I going...
lol, people make suggestions because they want to help.. not because they are jealous.
oh, tracing or heavily referencing is only art when you can do it without it, and not have your work fall apart.

Lol. That was in jest....I was trying to make a funny

Personally, I ask people to draw all over my stuff...it says it right there on my thread....I want to know what they think my work should look like or how they see it...I understand people want to help, I want to help people too but I am not going to draw all over their stuff unless they ask me to....

Tracing or referencing heavily is not going to make anybody a better artist...but it is good for practice. Now, I think that tracing out a contour is different story...

I said nothing about the people making suggestion. I am simply speaking of the people whose work fell a little short...so they are going to sit here and make claims that people traced and added filters to an original picture...because it is better than what they can produce...

The fact is that this conversation is silly because it says to trace right there in the rules...

I tend to ramble and start to not make any sense. Plus, I hate typing...so I am done.


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i was apprehensive about tracing a reference photo for my cover to begin with. i actually looked through the art i had already created to use but couldnt find what i was looking for. i almost used my surreal piece i did for design class but it was black and white so i nixed the idea. it was a learning experience none the less.

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Even if some one traces there is still skill involved, any dumb ass can trace a person out, but filling in your own detail work and fleshing out the character is the hard part, Im still working hard on improving my drawing if you looked back at my previous stuff every competition ive improved allot on each one. I just wish I was in the top 5 as the motivation is always awsome when you do well.

the hardest part of all...THE GOD DAMN WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!, fuck I need a taco

Hey all check out MYSPACE

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At 3/12/08 08:09 PM, ExtremeFudgeMaster wrote: Why don't you liek mine aaaaarggggggh goddamn.

i like yours.
sweet idea

if i was god....

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At 3/12/08 08:09 PM, ExtremeFudgeMaster wrote: Why don't you liek mine aaaaarggggggh goddamn.

Yeah, I like yours a lot too, but what kills it, IMHO, is the "Special NG Edition" text. It's too big and not very well positioned. You'd be better off without it...

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Everyone agrees. Quit yelling at each other as if you people are arguing. You aren't.
Sheesh.


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Words solve nothing...I call the Jackhammer!

Check out my Art Forum!!!

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At 3/13/08 01:50 AM, supery9 wrote: Words solve nothing...I call the Jackhammer!

i shall stand up to your challenge!! "Pikachu! I Choose You!!!" Yeh, fuck your Jackhammer. Hey why didn't i think of this before! The most bad ass awesome heavy metal mag cover would obviously have to be one with Pokemon! No, even better! Fucking, Hamtaro Hamsters!!!! YEAHHHH!!! Nothing is cooler than that!!!

if i was god....

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At 3/13/08 06:00 AM, Undeadjesus wrote:
At 3/13/08 01:50 AM, supery9 wrote: Words solve nothing...I call the Jackhammer!
No, even better! Fucking, Hamtaro Hamsters!!!! YEAHHHH!!! Nothing is cooler than that!!!

HAMSTERS WITH CHAINSAAWS... VRRRMMMDADADADADADA! TO THE EXTREEEEME!


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So when's the results getting posted *pokes*


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This is related to Heavy Metal, though not explicitly to the contest, but I'll share it anyway: http://movies.ign.com/articles/859/85967 5p1.html

PENIS PENIS PENIS. PENIS.

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At 3/14/08 03:54 PM, KupaMan wrote: This is related to Heavy Metal, though not explicitly to the contest, but I'll share it anyway: http://movies.ign.com/articles/859/85967 5p1.html

thanks awesome news.. good shit

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Wow! That is freaking sweet! (Fight Club is incredible!!!!) And he is the kind of director who wont rely entirely on special effects. With him at the lead i don't think we have to worry too much about this being another cliche (crappy) violent action film.

if i was god....

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At 3/14/08 03:54 PM, KupaMan wrote: This is related to Heavy Metal, though not explicitly to the contest, but I'll share it anyway: http://movies.ign.com/articles/859/85967 5p1.html

That's awesome! I loved the first Heavy Metal movie, (hence my tribute to the Loc-Nar in my entry ;D) and would love to see a new adaptation. I do hope that they do have some traditional 2D animation though mixed in with the CGI akin to HEAVEY METAL 2000 to keep with the spirit of the magazine...

HM2000 was great eye candy but the story rather sucked IMO.


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