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Awaiting. Only have been for two or so hours.

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At 7/22/09 09:35 AM, TheHollowMuchies wrote: Awaiting. Only have been for two or so hours.

Approved. Have some patience, some people have had to wait for weeks to get their tracks on!

At 7/22/09 07:09 AM, FireSickle wrote: I'm not sure what description I put in for it. I wrote all of the melodies bass lines and main drum concepts, put together the first 5 minute song structure with that, TIDUS mastered the instruemnts and added an extra couple minutes in for leading in and out, spruced up the drums, made some of my out of place melodies fit in... I consider it 50/50 work between the two of us, this is an original track, it's not a remix

Seems more likely your sonic cover rung alarm bells. Although listening to it myself, I've got little doubt that you did it all yourself, it's a pretty exact cover note-wise so I wouldn't be surprised if a mod gathered it was a midi rip. I'll see what I can do but at the moment there is no way for us to unban users ourselves, so I'll have to forward this on to a higher power.

Unfortunately, we are a group of humans, and when we go through the list we go through hundreds of submissions at a time. We loose focus, our ears get tired and sometimes legit artists get banned and vice versa.

At 7/17/09 09:56 PM, Mattylightning wrote: k it's been about a month since i submitted my songs....NOW WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY????

Banned. Your song 'Pokemon Trainer Battle Theme' is undeniably a midi rip. Assigning new instruments onto a midi track does not an original song make.

At 7/8/09 11:58 PM, ObsidianSnow wrote: You know, I still have no idea how you guys decide if a submission is legit or not. I mean, there's teh intarwebz, but still. I can see that the job might be a bit painful sometimes - especially with the (I would assume usually) mediocre first submissions that get submitted (*coughs* not mentioning myself with "puppetry"... lol).

It's actually less about legality and more about our policy on 'original work'.

The guidelines that I personally use then approving are thus:

- Rearranging of any non-NewGrounds track without explicit permission (mentioned in the song description with citations) for the sake of making a new track is dissallowed. This one is the harshest rule on the surprising amount of hip-hop submissions that get posted to NG. More or less, for every Hip-hop artist that is approved, two more are banned for using looped samples.

- Covers are permitted, as long as none of the original work is used.

- Remixes of commercial songs using that songs acapella are permitted, as long as it has been publicly released - i.e. on the b-side of an LP, as such a release is an obvious permissive nod for remixes to happen. Sampling the original song, however, is still dissolved.

- Using MIDI arrangements found online is as against the rules as cutting up the recorded track is. Nearly all MIDI arrangements are copyrighted to their artist and they withold the rights to use them to create more music.

- No Mixcraft. Ever. Or any other similar Duplo-music drag-and-drop software, regardless of if the software license says you can use it commercially.

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At 7/21/09 03:50 PM, MICHhimself wrote:
At 7/17/09 09:56 PM, Mattylightning wrote: k it's been about a month since i submitted my songs....NOW WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY????
If it's been so long, I'm PRETTY sure "your" song got banned.

At 7/21/09 03:06 PM, FireSickle wrote: Anyway, DJ Field Day, Original Track That was co-written with another artist who gave me the thumbs up to upload it.
As for your remix, it doesn't sound like that'd be something the audio mods would ban. Unless ofcourse, you used samples from the original.
That track you co-created, how did you describe it? Maybe your description made it seem like it was actually his track.

banned for what? 1 was an original and the other 4 were guitar covers. i even stated that they were guitar covers in the descriptions. that makes no sense. and then when i try to re upload them it says that theyre still being approved

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Mattylightning: I'm pretty sure an audio mod will clarify it for you.


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i've already tried contacting one and never got a resonse....

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Makes sense.

Thank you for letting me know why I am just hanging. That seems like a pretty lame system to not have it notify the user that they are banned.

Thanks a lot new ground, class act :)
Thanks again khuskan, I have no desire to go through the higher power's to get unbanned, will my songs get deleted soon from the approval bin area?


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At 7/25/09 10:55 AM, FireSickle wrote: Thanks a lot new ground, class act :)
Thanks again khuskan, I have no desire to go through the higher power's to get unbanned, will my songs get deleted soon from the approval bin area?

Wow, huge props for taking it this way :-)

The tracks still technically exist on the NG audio portal, they are just not accessible by any non-mods. There is a planned set of mod tools that will give us more ability than simply banning/approving people on first submission coming along soon, however nobody can put a solid ETA on when they will arrive.

I'll make a note to myself of unbanning your account when they do come about, but if you still want to submit, you could always make another account - normally it's a bit dodgy to get around bans using alts, but since in this case it genuinely seems the ban doesn't belong I doubt anyone will take issue with it.

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Thanks again!

I am patient. I'd consider a new account, but I think that eventually I can be unbanned just by being active in the community. Does this only ban me from the Audio section? I learned action script for my job (software developer) and started a game, I'm hoping I can post it when it is done.


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At 7/25/09 05:58 PM, FireSickle wrote: Thanks again!

I am patient. I'd consider a new account, but I think that eventually I can be unbanned just by being active in the community. Does this only ban me from the Audio section? I learned action script for my job (software developer) and started a game, I'm hoping I can post it when it is done.

It's not possible to unban you until the new audio portal tools are out, unfortunately...

You should not be banned from submitting anything else though!

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At 7/24/09 12:45 PM, Mattylightning wrote: banned for what? 1 was an original and the other 4 were guitar covers.

I listened to the tracks you have (3 by the way).
Playing along with the original track is not a cover.


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At 7/26/09 05:24 AM, Khuskan wrote: It's not possible to unban you until the new audio portal tools are out, unfortunately...

You should not be banned from submitting anything else though!

Excelent, Thanks again for the information. See ya around :)


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Hey guys my audio needs to get approved

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At 7/26/09 05:58 AM, sorohanro wrote:
At 7/24/09 12:45 PM, Mattylightning wrote: banned for what? 1 was an original and the other 4 were guitar covers.
I listened to the tracks you have (3 by the way).
Playing along with the original track is not a cover.

well how do you expect me to get said covers up? i am no good at making backing tracks and my ONLY method of cover is by playing my guitar along with said tracks. and since when is it not a GUITAR cover? i even said they were guitar covers...this is so lame :(

whatever i have more original stuff coming in soon....lets hope that doesnt get banned for "assumingly" being someone elses material...and what happened to my song Two Faced? that was just a straight original from me on a guitar in drop c...

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At 7/26/09 05:38 PM, Mattylightning wrote:
At 7/26/09 05:58 AM, sorohanro wrote:
At 7/24/09 12:45 PM, Mattylightning wrote: banned for what? 1 was an original and the other 4 were guitar covers.
I listened to the tracks you have (3 by the way).
Playing along with the original track is not a cover.
well how do you expect me to get said covers up? i am no good at making backing tracks and my ONLY method of cover is by playing my guitar along with said tracks. and since when is it not a GUITAR cover? i even said they were guitar covers...this is so lame :(

whatever i have more original stuff coming in soon....lets hope that doesnt get banned for "assumingly" being someone elses material...and what happened to my song Two Faced? that was just a straight original from me on a guitar in drop c...

The problem is that the ORIGINAL track was playing in the background and thus is hearable in "your" song. If it was only you playing it, without the original in the background, there wouldn't be a problem.
May I suggest to write your own original songs though? =)


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At 7/26/09 05:38 PM, Mattylightning wrote:
At 7/26/09 05:58 AM, sorohanro wrote: Playing along with the original track is not a cover.
well how do you expect me to get said covers up? i am no good at making backing tracks and my ONLY method of cover is by playing my guitar along with said tracks. and since when is it not a GUITAR cover? i even said they were guitar covers...this is so lame :(

Man, oh man... sorry for your disappointment.
Still, the original track is copyrighted by it's owner, hearing it even as a background can get you or even the Audio Portal to bad legal problems.
Also, as much as I have myself a passion for guitar, the term of "guitar cover" is quite... odd to me.
A cover is a cover, if the new arrangement include only guitar, then you might call it a "guitar cover" or maybe a "guitar arrangement".

As the banning is permanent (I know, sucks... not really our fault) and the new mod tools (for un-banning) are somewhere in the far future, I suggest to make another account and use backing tracks made by Newgrounds members or learn to make yourself.
If a 13 years old kid can use Fruity Loops without music theory knowledge, so can you.

Several good backing tracks, made for guitar players and by guitar players you'll find in the Guitar Challenge thread.


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At 7/26/09 05:38 PM, Mattylightning wrote: well how do you expect me to get said covers up?

We don't. A cover is not a single additional instrument to a copyrighted track, a cover is a completely remade, sometimes restyled track.

and what happened to my song Two Faced? that was just a straight original from me on a guitar in drop c...

If you break the rules with one track, all your tracks are gone. That's just how it is. If you broke the law doing one track, we have to assume that you have broken the law somehow with all your other tracks, even if it isn't immediately apparent.

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Alright thanks for clarifying...sorry about the hassle i'm going to work on some more music...

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sori woz jst wonderin if my submission has been accepted or nt cos i submitted it a few days ago and have heard nothing since. thanks 4 the advice :)


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I uploaded # 260439 back in August 31st, I was just wondering how the progress is going since this is my first upoload with regards to Newgrounds.
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Been about three to four days... Awaiting approval... All loops used were from mixcraft... Thanks ahead of time if it's approved any time soon. Just a bit impatient, sorry for bothering.

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At 8/6/09 08:25 PM, goldenelite21 wrote: Been about three to four days... Awaiting approval... All loops used were from mixcraft... Thanks ahead of time if it's approved any time soon. Just a bit impatient, sorry for bothering.

I'm sure a mod will come along and say be paitient or something like that.

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How Does This Thread Have so many posts? i mean the audio just takes time to get approved... Hm? :)

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At 8/6/09 09:08 PM, DanceNation wrote: How Does This Thread Have so many posts? i mean the audio just takes time to get approved... Hm? :)

You haven't read the last couple of pages, have you, hm?


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Ok this answers my questions, I already made a thread with this question, but I've been waiting for about 3 days now, so I'll just have to wait until it gets passed by a moderator. Thanks for the answers lol


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At 8/6/09 08:25 PM, goldenelite21 wrote: All loops used were from mixcraft...

And thus why you will never be approved. ever.


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At 8/7/09 12:26 AM, Rawmin wrote:
At 8/6/09 08:25 PM, goldenelite21 wrote: All loops used were from mixcraft...
And thus why you will never be approved. ever.

Exaaaactly.

Don't throw a bunch of premade loops together and expect to get approved.

Sometime before... err... other peeps etc:

Krev, approved. Have fun and such. Lol @ drunken FL-ing.

And Par0xysm... also approved.

Damn the list is long again.

But at least I think the people that have mentioned it in this thread are taken care of now.


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At 8/7/09 12:44 AM, EchozAurora wrote: Krev, approved. Have fun and such. Lol @ drunken FL-ing.

I luff you for having a sense of humour.
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At 8/7/09 12:46 AM, KrevZabijak wrote:
At 8/7/09 12:44 AM, EchozAurora wrote: Krev, approved. Have fun and such. Lol @ drunken FL-ing.
I luff you for having a sense of humour.
And isn't that the only true way to use FL?

Meh, one of several.

My personal preference is drunk, with a side of high, followed by a heavy session of tripping balls.

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At 8/7/09 12:44 AM, EchozAurora wrote:
At 8/7/09 12:26 AM, Rawmin wrote:
At 8/6/09 08:25 PM, goldenelite21 wrote: All loops used were from mixcraft...
And thus why you will never be approved. ever.
Exaaaactly.

Don't throw a bunch of premade loops together and expect to get approved

Don't be so sure. Try going to the audio portal and search mixcraft. Looked at quite a few, and a majority of them had nothing but the mixcraft loops :).

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At 8/7/09 01:44 AM, goldenelite21 wrote:
At 8/7/09 12:44 AM, EchozAurora wrote: Exaaaactly.

Don't throw a bunch of premade loops together and expect to get approved
Don't be so sure. Try going to the audio portal and search mixcraft. Looked at quite a few, and a majority of them had nothing but the mixcraft loops :).

To quote what the mod panel says:

User: goldenelite21
Approved: no
Banned: yes

So yes. I'm rather sure.

Does this make me an asshole? Perhaps.

But... my point stands true.

Sometimes the shit slips through. Audio mods aren't perfect. Plus, til we get the new mod tools... we can't do stuff about things that have already been approved.


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