Global Government

[SteveGuzzi]

It is my personal belief that unless a viable global government is formed, we are doomed to destroy ourselves over border issues and religious/cultural intolerance. With such importance placed on education (and rightly so), technology will never cease to advance until we either all get along or annihilate the planet.

Weaponry more than anything else has pushed technology forward, and it's a shame that that has to be the reason. I'd like to see more advances in communication, transportation, and energy that won't fuck the planet up in the process.

There has to be something to regulate it all and drive it in a positive direction. Something that isn't influenced by religious beliefs, money or greed, or personal prejudices passed down from one generation to another. Too bad something like that will probably never exist.

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So what do you think? Is there an answer for anything? Can we ever try to advance ourselves just as humans instead of as Americans/Europeans/white/black/whatever? It's a pipe dream, right?

[RoyBatty]

At 9/3/03 06:01 AM, Stuporman wrote: So what do you think? Is there an answer for anything? Can we ever try to advance ourselves just as humans instead of as Americans/Europeans/white/black/whatever? It's a pipe dream, right?

I think the key way to make a global government is actually voluntary assimilation. Like for instance if we got rid of immigration laws, said fuck the border, and said that any country who wanted to join the US (I know it's bigoted to start here, just a hypothetical situation) could join, and would then fall under US law and the Constitution. Then we'd have to do our best to make America worth living in. If we could slip into a social capitalist society, and actually work our way to a point where our economy wasn't fed on greed, and get people to have a basic desire to work for the greater good, it would become an appealing government to attach yourself to. Everyone who came under the banner would benefit from the advances made, and working together we would advance faster than anyone else, making us even more desirable. If we actually made it all the way to communism, then we'd probably have a Star Trek like society withing a century. Just my personal thoughts.

[stafffighter]

I think that the idea of a global government would be unrealistic to say the least. There are far too many factoins of society with differing ideals. Wars and assasinations would rage over who should be the supreme leaders. The power mad amoung us would have one clear target. And the force to defend said target would in all likelyhood become an oppressive military presance. That is untill their leader decided to run the world for himself. And there would be no one to oppose him untill a new defector rose. The cycle would contenue as such. Life is like an endless waltz.
As much as I hate to say this war is inside the nature of humanity. If we can't find a reason to kill and die we'll make one.

[SteveGuzzi]

I think that opposed to voluntary assimilation of an existing doctrine, a whole new one would have to be written up. Kind of like the Communist Manifesto but instead something brand new, something that could influence others to reform the current governments.

I also think that it could never work with one person in ultimate power of anything. What I'm thinking is something like multiple senates; groups of groups of groups making decisions. Imagine if you will, the globe divvied up like a geodesic dome...the land would be "bordered" into equally-sized triangular pieces, each piece controlled by some form of a senate, multiple adjacent pieces (forming a hexagon) would then have another senate-type group to "rule" over the six pieces...every single section of the global border structure would be assessed for natural resources, food, water, population, etc, and based on the decisions of a worldwide collaboration of senates trade between all the little pieces could take place determined by who needs what and how badly and whatever the hell else.

I know it sounds silly and unrealistic, but it's just an idea to kick around. Of course for anything of this scale to work there would still have to be major advances in communication and transportation. Also, it would require that everyone "play by the rules", which as we all know would never happen. Unfortunately, nothing (and I mean NOTHING) is immune to good old-fashioned trickery and deception.

[karasz]

Global government will not happen...

UNLESS, there is a huge movement to counter-balance those in control, thus causing 2 groups...

most likely it would entail, the west VS terrorists, BUT too many countries would be in the middle that they would fall like dominoes...

so YES the world needs a big time cataclsymic event, im talking like somethin to make hiroshima and 9-11 look like a fun day...

something HUGE

[SteveGuzzi]

At 9/3/03 09:46 AM, karasz wrote: something HUGE

Yeah, I think you're right about that...something amazingly devestating would have to happen before people everywhere realize that we're all really playing for the same team, the human race.

[RoyBatty]

At 9/3/03 10:06 AM, Stuporman wrote: Yeah, I think you're right about that...something amazingly devestating would have to happen before people everywhere realize that we're all really playing for the same team, the human race.

Or something spectacularly good that just broadens our POV. (like on First Contact)

[SteveGuzzi]

At 9/3/03 11:03 AM, RoyBatty wrote: Or something spectacularly good that just broadens our POV. (like on First Contact)

Hmmm, I've yet to see that movie but I've heard good things about it. That reminds me...I heard somewhere that pyschic Sylvia Browne said we will be in direct contact with extraterrestrials by 2010. I'm not saying I believe it, and I'm not even saying I got what she said correct...but I'll be stoked if it happens!

[RoyBatty]

At 9/3/03 11:32 AM, Stuporman wrote: I'm not saying I believe it, and I'm not even saying I got what she said correct...but I'll be stoked if it happens!

It would definitely open some people's minds I think.

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/3/03 06:01 AM, Stuporman wrote: It is my personal belief that unless a viable global government is formed, we are doomed to destroy ourselves over border issues and religious/cultural intolerance. With such importance placed on education (and rightly so), technology will never cease to advance until we either all get along or annihilate the planet.

Well, I gotta disagree with you. I think that even with a Global Government, there will still be racism. We can never stamp it out. A Global Government wouldn't work. You could say the UN is that, and people undermine it. If it were to be installed, it would have to be given the final say in arguments, represent people from all beliefs and backgrounds and political beliefs.

Weaponry more than anything else has pushed technology forward, and it's a shame that that has to be the reason. I'd like to see more advances in communication, transportation, and energy that won't fuck the planet up in the process.

True. Nobody has a need for a weapon. Their only use is to kill, main and destroy.

There has to be something to regulate it all and drive it in a positive direction. Something that isn't influenced by religious beliefs, money or greed, or personal prejudices passed down from one generation to another. Too bad something like that will probably never exist.

An incorruptable power? Nice thought. It doesn't exist.

So what do you think? Is there an answer for anything? Can we ever try to advance ourselves just as humans instead of as Americans/Europeans/white/black/whatever? It's a pipe dream, right?

Yer. It's a pipe dream, but it's a nice pipe dream. we can try to advance ourselves, but everybody harbours predujices towards some people, even if they are very slight.

[JoS]

The world would never agree on what to put into the new countries laws and such because of such a diverse cultural background, what some countries do is illegal in other places (multiple wives for example). Look at the countries we have right now, they are smaller than a world government but look at all the civil war, imagine the whole world like that. Maybe if we were invaded by an alien race we could ban togetehr (Independence Day), but I dont see the world becoming one country.

[IceWraith15]

I agree with this idea completely, and it is possible despite all the different factions in the world, after all, the United States came together despite their differences, all that needs to be done is to establish a global government that allows difference of opinion between nations.

[ShubNiggurath]

At 9/3/03 06:15 AM, RoyBatty wrote: I think the key way to make a global government is actually voluntary assimilation. Like for instance if we got rid of immigration laws, said fuck the border, and said that any country who wanted to join the US (I know it's bigoted to start here, just a hypothetical situation) could join, and would then fall under US law and the Constitution. Then we'd have to do our best to make America worth living in. If we could slip into a social capitalist society, and actually work our way to a point where our economy wasn't fed on greed, and get people to have a basic desire to work for the greater good, it would become an appealing government to attach yourself to. Everyone who came under the banner would benefit from the advances made, and working together we would advance faster than anyone else, making us even more desirable. If we actually made it all the way to communism, then we'd probably have a Star Trek like society withing a century. Just my personal thoughts.

Sounds good, but our chances are better if it were the EU and not the US that pushed for this.

First of all, the EU is foremost an economic institution (and closer in line to your views, Cory, than America's system) at this point. Unlike NATO (which would be our other option), the EU does not have (to my recollection) a military, it does not have its roots in religion, and it does allow free movement and trade across Europe without tariffs nor intensive border checks (ever cross the International Bridge across Sault Ste. Marie? It's a real bitch!).

It sure would make that decapitalising thing a whole lot easier.

Just my two cents.

At 9/3/03 12:38 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: You could say the UN is that, and people undermine it. If it were to be installed, it would have to be given the final say in arguments, represent people from all beliefs and backgrounds and political beliefs.

The UN is not a true world government, as it does not hold final say in what goes on. Case in point? Our invasion of Iraq. We did it anyway. They didn't — and COULDN'T — do a damn thing to stop Bush. We've kept it in such a position that it exercises enough influence over the underdeveloped and smaller Westernised countries to keep them in line, but it allows those with a big fucking stash of nuclear weapons to do whatever they want. After all, the UN meets on American soil...can it really risk a nuclear attack?

True. Nobody has a need for a weapon. Their only use is to kill, main and destroy.

Only if nobody has weapons will nobody need a weapon.

An incorruptable power? Nice thought. It doesn't exist.

Yet.

Yer. It's a pipe dream, but it's a nice pipe dream. we can try to advance ourselves, but everybody harbours predujices towards some people, even if they are very slight.

Harbouring prejudices is one thing. Being immature enough to allow them to interfere with fair and equal treatment is another.

Cheers,
ShubNiggurath.