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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-16 07:42:04 (edited 2015-01-16 07:43:24) Reply

At 1/15/15 10:15 PM, inkveins wrote:
Such is the issue with representing a complex opinion numerically. It gives them credence to the thought that they have power over you.

And that's what the reviews are for. Except the people who vote down your art never leave reviews. That's because "voting down" on Newgrounds has become less a tough-love method for offering criticism and more an egotistical method for exerting control.

Given I've posted my share of controversial opinions, I've dealt with a good number "serial 0 bombers". Hasn't stopped me, though.

And yeah jonny haha. It's weird when you do like half and half. People get thrown off. I find that a lot of people who like my SFW art really really don't like it when I draw NSFW stuff. And people who like my NSFW stuff are more critical of my SFW stuff. It's a weird dynamic.

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At 1/16/15 07:42 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: Good Points

Yeah, in theory anyways. I've always found it odd that there are two rating systems in the first place.


Sweet glow on that JO, bro. Must have been a lot of positive energy at the sesh.
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-16 13:15:06 Reply

At 1/15/15 09:05 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: The entire portal is based on standards indirectly set by non-artists (thru view counts and ratings), which is why quality control is so difficult.

Not exactly? The primary form of quality control exerted over the portal is the scouting system, definitely run by artists. Do you really care about ratings and page views? You're so skilled I'd think you could rest confident in that respect.


I mean even when I had like 800 fans on NG, people got pissy whenever I wrote impassioned or angry things on my page.

Any set of 800 is statistically bound to have some assholes.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-16 14:13:56 (edited 2015-01-16 14:19:01) Reply

At 1/16/15 01:15 PM, lovingthedark wrote: Not exactly? The primary form of quality control exerted over the portal is the scouting system, definitely run by artists. Do you really care about ratings and page views? You're so skilled I'd think you could rest confident in that respect.

I think he means quality control of the rating system.
I've never particularly liked the number system, on newgrounds or otherwise. I'd even like them removed from reviews in general and make them strictly text, but I know I'm probably in the minority on that. But for the flash portal it was a necessary evil to have some kind of quality control, even though it could be abused when the community was smaller. But I don't understand why it exists in any other part of the site. There's no real reason other than it's just what the flash portal did.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-16 15:23:50 (edited 2015-01-16 15:34:01) Reply

At 1/16/15 01:15 PM, lovingthedark wrote:
Not exactly? The primary form of quality control exerted over the portal is the scouting system, definitely run by artists.

The scouting system by its nature is very hard to keep track of and really only offers control if you use it at all. The thing about the scouting system is that it's not useful for enforcement. You scout something you like. It's purely positive reinforcement. Surely enough, you can unscout them, but only because you scouted them in the first place. There are no tools that allow us to maintain a standard. We only get to very subtly hint at things we want to see. And it's so far out of our hands by the time we've scouted our first person that I'd say calling it quality control is very generous.

Views and ratings don't matter to me personally. What I meant by that is the ratings given by the public indirectly affect what kind of work artists feel validated doing. It shows what kind of work is respected or expected on the site as a whole. And the view counts actually push work onto the front page of the portal, so that becomes kind of a reference point for what kind of club we're running.

And I'm comparing this to places like Artstation or Draw Crowd. I know it's a very unfair comparison, but over in those places being noticed by someone of high skill level actually means something. Getting a frontpage actually means something. Over here, we have one indistinct mass of "scouted" users who are responsible for quality control, where a small percentage of them are a much higher skill level and should therefore have more leverage.

But I understand NG tries its best to be democratic in a sense. But this is also the reason there is so much voting abuse. Because we've let people who never contribute jack shit to the site feel entitled to the same volume as those who have done much. It's "fair", but not meritocratic.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-16 17:20:39 (edited 2015-01-16 17:22:29) Reply

At 1/16/15 03:23 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: The scouting system by its nature is very hard to keep track of and really only offers control if you use it at all. The thing about the scouting system is that it's not useful for enforcement.

I used the scouting system a decent bit even before I was modded, and I generally find it quite effective on the whole. Compare the average level of quality between scouted and unscouted sections- it's a fairly different across the board. Plus it rewards artists for working to improve themselves pretty palpably while not excluding people just for being middling skill-wise. Granted the checks and balances fall mostly on the mod team, but I wouldn't change that.

There are no tools that allow us to maintain a standard.

You can talk to a mod if there's someone you feel is sub-par that we haven't caught yet.

Views and ratings don't matter to me personally.

Your most recent journal post says otherwise pretty emphatically.

What I meant by that is the ratings given by the public indirectly affect what kind of work artists feel validated doing. It shows what kind of work is respected or expected on the site as a whole.

You cater pretty well to the NG mold, I'd say tits, fanart, mechs and monsters and all. Is that not what speaks to you?

front page of the portal

We're working on this, I swear.

Over here, we have one indistinct mass of "scouted" users who are responsible for quality control, where a small percentage of them are a much higher skill level and should therefore have more leverage.

So you're saying people should have what, more voting power based on followers or their own vote power or something? How would you structure this?


It's "fair", but not meritocratic.

I'm pretty okay with that. I don't particularly feel that my enjoyment of a piece, however trained and specialized over however many years of practice and schooling, is any more valid than a non-artist's. The best way to improve a composition or fix your values is not the only kind of useful information you can get from a review- I had a professor once that used to run critiques stripped of the intention to improve physical form of a piece. Instead she'd have us go in a circle, first saying whatever popped into our heads when we saw the piece, then again expressing what it makes us think of, what it made us feel. Definitely some of the most useful feedback I received in college, and hardly something you need artistic training for.

Who do you want to serve with your art?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-16 19:55:51 (edited 2015-01-16 20:08:35) Reply

At 1/16/15 05:20 PM, lovingthedark wrote:
Your most recent journal post says otherwise pretty emphatically.

All of my journal entries are about voting injustices (they have been since like 2012). Most of them are defending other artists. I'm just very annoyed with voting abuse/disregard for critical artistic evaluation in general. And very displeased at how art has become a commodity to many people. It's something that's not limited to Newgrounds, but particularly prevalent here.

You cater pretty well to the NG mold, I'd say tits, fanart, mechs and monsters and all. Is that not what speaks to you?

I mean 90% of my work isn't on NG and the work that is on NG, maybe only 50% of it was meant for NG specifically. A lot of what I post is just runoff from groups like Brainstorm and Daily Spitpaint, or portfolio pieces that I didn't mind posting. I don't mean this in a dismissive way, but NG isn't like...my life. It never was, not from the day I joined. I have 1,000 fans and honestly I feel nothing. 95% of these people just eat my work like candy. That's all it is to them. Candy.

So you're saying people should have what, more voting power based on followers...

I wouldn't say voting power. That would be too elitist. I would say just allow users to be scouted multiple times and keep a count of how many times they've been scouted. Put a star next to their name or something. It's simple and it shows how much merit a person has based on their skill level, as evaluated by other scouted users (who are, presumably, artists). It allows people who are actually thinking critically about art to honor users they respect, and distinguishes thorough, critical opinions from ambiguous masses of votes.

Who do you want to serve with your art?

My landlord. TBH, I serve nobody with my art except maybe a client. But what it comes down to is artists being able to set standards for their own communities. Places like DrawCrowd and ArtStation pull it off, and therefore boast an incredibly high level of skill. This is because they haven't fallen into the trappings of subjectivity. Art is very unique in that way. It is the only industry where consumers 100% of the time place their opinions above those of experts. You don't get that in any other skilled trade. But with art, everyone is thoroughly convinced that their opinion is paramount to all standards of skill or merit. And with that line of thinking, you lose all sense of structure. Everything becomes this subjective mush that can't be evaluated. All sense of progression is lost. Skill becomes meaningless. It just becomes "like it or don't".

And as long as people are convinced that art is simply something for them to like or dislike, not a part of an artist's journey, not a representation of skill or progression in the understanding of a science, it won't ever be respected here like it is elsewhere.

PS: as for my latest journal post, I'm just being a provocative dick. If I cared about my ratings I would have just stored my art in the "trash" like I said and restored it at a different point. I wouldn't have openly reported the TWATWATWAT user in the thread, out of fear of being targeted (because if they had the time to do that, the probably have the time to do this). I have no interest in "saving" my ratings. Many of those paintings have been +1'd by people like James Paick and John Park, so I already know what they're worth. It's just me being immature.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-17 00:00:34 (edited 2015-01-17 00:03:08) Reply

At 1/16/15 07:55 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: And very displeased at how art has become a commodity to many people.

Art has been a commodity for millennia. What are you talking about?


I mean 90% of my work isn't on NG and the work that is on NG, maybe only 50% of it was meant for NG specifically. A lot of what I post is just runoff from groups like Brainstorm and Daily Spitpaint, or portfolio pieces that I didn't mind posting. I don't mean this in a dismissive way, but NG isn't like...my life. It never was, not from the day I joined.
I have 1,000 fans and honestly I feel nothing.

That's super sad, you spending time here when you don't enjoy us at all. I hate to say you should leave since I take pleasure in your art, have a lot of respect for you, and like pointing you out as an example of anime-inspired work done right, but why don't you leave? I mean clearly you've been fairly gone for months, but you came back. Why?

For instance, I'm here since I like dick jokes, like the opportunity to help other artists, and I'm eternally amused by the dichotomy created by the population of sixteen year olds thinking with their genitalia and the population of skilled, charming twenty or thirty something year olds bitter about the sixteen year olds thinking with their genitalia that they used to number among. It's hilarious to me. Plus NG has a much better sense of community than dA, I like the scouting system, and people aren't too snobby. And as an artist forever in pursuit of gesamtkunstwerk, I enjoy NG's multimedia focus.

95% of these people just eat my work like candy. That's all it is to them. Candy.

What sort of consumption do you expect? Normally that turn of phrase is a complement. IMHO, I'd describe your work as technically brilliant but not terribly interesting/innovative content-wise. A heavy tendency towards straightforward contemporary digital illustration- candy is maybe a good metaphor? I wouldn't put it so negatively though.


I would say just allow users to be scouted multiple times and keep a count of how many times they've been scouted. Put a star next to their name or something. It's simple and it shows how much merit a person has based on their skill level, as evaluated by other scouted users (who are, presumably, artists). It allows people who are actually thinking critically about art to honor users they respect, and distinguishes thorough, critical opinions from ambiguous masses of votes.

Hmm, interesting.


My landlord. TBH, I serve nobody with my art except maybe a client.

Not even yourself? Why did you choose art over engineering? I ask because you sound pretty unhappy with your chosen profession, only finding fulfillment in external recognition. That sounds like a terrible way to live, but what do I know.

And with that line of thinking, you lose all sense of structure. Everything becomes this subjective mush that can't be evaluated.

I'd say art is a subjective mush whose evaluation doesn't translate well between individuals. That's what so glorious about it. You do realize you're complaining simultaneously that art is both seen as too much of a product on Newgrounds and not enough of one?


If I cared about my ratings I would have just stored my art in the "trash" like I said and restored it at a different point. I wouldn't have openly reported the TWATWATWAT user in the thread, out of fear of being targeted (because if they had the time to do that, the probably have the time to do this). I have no interest in "saving" my ratings.
Many of those paintings have been +1'd by people like James Paick and John Park, so I already know what they're worth.

What a big e-peen you have. Call me old-fashioned, but what happened to evaluating your stuff yourself? Have some faith in your own opinion. You've worked hard, you're allowed to take personal pride in it.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-17 01:57:22 Reply

At 1/17/15 12:00 AM, lovingthedark wrote:
Art has been a commodity for millennia.

Art wasn't accessible to everyone 1,000 years ago, though.

That's super sad, you spending time here when you don't enjoy us at all.

I like this place. That's why I'm here. That's why I'm saying what I'm saying. I imagine Newgrounds becoming something much bigger and better than this in the near future. The Voting Overhaul is a first step in that direction. Just because I'm suggesting change doesn't mean I dislike NG.

What sort of consumption do you expect?

While I was away, I experienced a real sense of community among professionals. Granted, my art wasn't always well received, but even the harshest critics spoke from a good place. Here, I get plenty of good ratings. I also get shit on from time to time. But neither the good ratings or the zero-bombs ever come with a caring, thoughtful insight on how I can be a better artist tomorrow. There is this palpable disconnect between the art and the artist.

You do realize you're complaining simultaneously that art is both seen as too much of a product on Newgrounds and not enough of one?

That's not really what I was getting at. Many artists on Newgrounds have dreams of working. There is an objective skillset that will get you work. What NG lacks is the understanding and desire to help artists achieve that goal. This involves perceiving art as an extension of its creator and steps in a long process of improvement, not just individual products to be consumed. Objective standards are needed to understand our goals, a nurturing community is needed to realize them. A skill structure gives us a sense of direction. It allows us to observe how much closer we are to matching strokes with people like Craig Mullins, who can walk into any studio and demand work.

What a big e-peen you have. Call me old-fashioned, but what happened to evaluating your stuff yourself?

I always assume that my opinion is tainted with bias. And I really do have a big e-peen haha. Kinda comes with territory, I guess. That's what happens with artists on Newgrounds, though. They eventually move on to measure themselves against more rigorous standards. I just came back because I have so much hope for this place.

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At 1/17/15 01:57 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: I always assume that my opinion is tainted with bias. And I really do have a big e-peen haha. Kinda comes with territory, I guess. That's what happens with artists on Newgrounds, though. They eventually move on to measure themselves against more rigorous standards. I just came back because I have so much hope for this place.

There's always going to be bias. There are many different worlds out there, and we can't compare one to another. Newgrounds has always been growing, but you should never expect the same realm as you would somewhere else. It's a different environment, different people, different personalities, different thoughts.

The forum used to be a great way to get those reviews you're talking about, the ones with structure and information and guidelines and construction, it just fell apart bit by bit as we lost many of the faces who would put the time and effort into leaving those critiques.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-19 19:13:10 Reply

Woah, hey some heavy stuff going on here as of late.

damn, I don't want to throw a fork in the road of conversation, but Yay! its my B-day :D

BTW Cypress, I do like your work, and still watch for it to pop on to my feed from time to time.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-19 20:18:50 Reply

Happy birthday, dude.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-19 20:22:06 Reply

Regarding recent events and the discussion at end, all I'll say is don't confuse talking about what you want to be with being what you want to be. The ego is always hungry. Sometimes it's best to not feed it.

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At 1/19/15 07:13 PM, Kinsei wrote: damn, I don't want to throw a fork in the road of conversation, but Yay! its my B-day :D

Good work not being dead for a whole year! Because I was pretty sure you were dead for like, the last year.

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At 1/19/15 07:13 PM, Kinsei wrote: Yay! its my B-day :D

Happy birthday, Kinsei!


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-20 04:30:59 Reply

Oh dear Kinsei, I am very sorry for the birthday gift I am about to give you. Welcome back! I missed you, along with most people around here. Though the forum seem as empty as ever.

But I am not here to say hellos. I am here to say my goodbyes. I have written everything down in this profile post.

It's very long, but still much too short.

The shorter version is that I have to leave for my safety and well being. And that I love you all very much. This is my final goodbye, though I really wish I can one day come back.

I gave the password and login to the NGart tinychat to Dark. She can pass it along to anyone she wish. You should all log in there more often, if I ever check in on you it will most likely be brief chat visits.

Maybe something will change and I will be able to come back. But for now, I bid you farewell and much love. Keep on arting.

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Happy birthday @Kinsei and congrats on staying sober enough during your birthday to post that it's your birthday ;D

And @Larkatosa I wish you all the best and I hope things work out for you, I really do :)

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Wow, rough news indeed
Well Kiddo, I wish you luck in all your indeveors. I do hope you'll drop me a line from time to time and let me know how you, and things are doing.
We all have demons to fight in both the world and with in ourselves. Don't let them beat you.


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At 1/20/15 07:45 AM, bigjonny13 wrote: Happy birthday @Kinsei and congrats on staying sober enough during your birthday to post that it's your birthday ;D
And @Larkatosa I wish you all the best and I hope things work out for you, I really do :)

Whoops, that should have said @Trix
See what happens when I post right after waking up? Hahaha

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At 1/20/15 07:39 PM, bigjonny13 wrote: Whoops, that should have said Trix
See what happens when I post right after waking up? Hahaha

I think her username was larkatosa yesterday :s

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I've been thinking that the art forum could do with some activities lately, and that a few people (both new and old) would appreciate some character design threads, so might kick off character of the week (or some variant) again. (Not creature of the week though. I love cow, but I think chow would get better participation at this time).

Another idea that I would quite like to start is an art duel thread. This is kind of similar to what campnorth.tv did in the past, but I'm not 100% clear how it would work. My thinking goes:
- one user issues a challenge to another user (character, creature, scene, comic),
- the other user accepts, provides a theme (space) and a deadline (a week from now)
- they draw,
- final pics are uploaded to the art portal, and voting takes place in a dedicated thread.
This idea isn't completely ironed out, so I'm wanted to hear some thoughts.


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At 1/21/15 04:48 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: Another idea that I would quite like to start is an art duel thread. This is kind of similar to what campnorth.tv did in the past, but I'm not 100% clear how it would work. My thinking goes:
- one user issues a challenge to another user (character, creature, scene, comic),
- the other user accepts, provides a theme (space) and a deadline (a week from now)
- they draw,
- final pics are uploaded to the art portal, and voting takes place in a dedicated thread.
This idea isn't completely ironed out, so I'm wanted to hear some thoughts.

In theory I'm all for it.

But inbetween less outgoing users not participating period, not-regulars not knowing other users to call out, and general unwillingness to antagonize or declare one user better than the other, I'd say that user participation would be your biggest hurdle.

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At 1/21/15 06:39 AM, Lintire wrote:
At 1/21/15 04:48 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: Another idea that I would quite like to start is an art duel thread. This is kind of similar to what campnorth.tv did in the past, but I'm not 100% clear how it would work. My thinking goes:
But inbetween less outgoing users not participating period, not-regulars not knowing other users to call out, and general unwillingness to antagonize or declare one user better than the other, I'd say that user participation would be your biggest hurdle.

Yeah. the participation in an art duel might prove difficult due to the reasons mentioned by Lintire. Maybe we could look at an art showdown competition, kind of like NATA, where people can sign up and then are slotted against each other on a weekly(?) basis per theme, winner moves on?

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Hello Arty Folks, after watching a couple of FZDSCHOOL videos on Youtube, I decided to try my hand at digital painting myself.
If anyone feels like it, I'd love to get some professional critique. It's very rough, but it's kinda neat when you look at it from a distance. I guess it comes with the experimental territory. Didn't want to start my own thread because it's just an experiment, I'll probably replace it with something better in the future.

Thanks in advance!

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-01-21 08:43:14 Reply

At 1/21/15 06:45 AM, bigjonny13 wrote: Yeah. the participation in an art duel might prove difficult due to the reasons mentioned by Lintire. Maybe we could look at an art showdown competition, kind of like NATA, where people can sign up and then are slotted against each other on a weekly(?) basis per theme, winner moves on?

I'm not really a fan of showdowns, since the contest fizzles out at the last few steps - only the final participants have any real interest (and even then I think interest is waning due to tedium).

I'd be willing to do random* pairing for duels, though. Maybe even the duel thread allows for sign-ups and a weekly list of possible themes for people who don't have any ideas.

* not completely random, though. I wouldn't let jagon face MSPaintNoob2002, I'd prob face off people with similar techniques and skill levels, so that they can learn off of each other.

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At 1/21/15 08:43 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: I'm not really a fan of showdowns, since the contest fizzles out at the last few steps - only the final participants have any real interest (and even then I think interest is waning due to tedium).

Yeah, you have a point there. I just threw it out there as a conceptual idea.

I'd be willing to do random* pairing for duels, though. Maybe even the duel thread allows for sign-ups and a weekly list of possible themes for people who don't have any ideas.
* not completely random, though. I wouldn't let jagon face MSPaintNoob2002, I'd prob face off people with similar techniques and skill levels, so that they can learn off of each other.

I think that could work. Kind of set up an excel format duel chart.

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I noticed a lot of threads in the art forum are people looking to hire artists. Does that sort of thing, for lack of more eloquent words, end well?


Sweet glow on that JO, bro. Must have been a lot of positive energy at the sesh.
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-02-05 20:48:45 (edited 2015-02-05 20:57:41) Reply

I can't say from personal experience but I've seen a good handful actually come to fruition.
It's usually people who actually offer compensation or have contributed to the site beyond asking for shit(or both).

The majority of the request that are 3 paragraphs of ass kissing and then asking for free work are generally ignored/appropriately mocked under our breath.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-02-05 21:09:17 Reply

yeah there was that one guy claiming BIG PAYOUT a few weeks ago and that turned into nothing. As soon as I hear "for my MMO" I was like, yep this old thing again.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-02-05 21:13:43 Reply

Yeah, reasonable scope is also usually a pretty good thing to have too.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2015-02-06 20:56:33 Reply

I can't believe I have to fucking post this. But here we go.

Do you know what I've gotten all week in my emails? On my social media accounts? My work accounts? My website?

Sexist, misogynist harassment from Newgrounds people.

So here are some guidelines for anyone who happen to find me on the Internet:
- Don't

Leave me the fuck alone.