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Happy new year to all. Let us all have another great year togethert.

At 1/1/13 07:08 AM, M-Maher wrote: what happened to escalus?

Nothing, she decided to take a break from NG for an unknown period of time.

merry new happy easter day!

Incoming: Wall de la Text

I stumbled upon this thread and I noticed something.:
I don't think I like how people are giving the same advice with the "basic shape" stuff. It's not the 'one true religion', yaknow? It's fine if people wanna do stuff like LegoâEUTMs of course, awesome, Lego makes drop-dead gorgeous stuff and he's fine in giving his insight, but I do think we need more variation and not just more coke light versions of that.

I've been sorta thinking how 'drawing advice' is ultimately pointless. It's more often than not the thinking that needs changing. This guy really seems to be on a right track for a kid. Why tell him 'how to draw' when all he needs to do is draw more of something? Now, if a guy comes by drawing nothing but pokémon traces that's where people SHOULD start critiquing. Tell him to let the child speak, that there's a bigger creative world than that.

LetâEUTMs take this drawing for example. In my opinion, this could be a fine core drawing. The proportions aren't right and sheâEUTMs missing a foot, but am I the only one who noticed her hand looks really cool? ItâEUTMs all broken up and twisted. Imagine an entire drawing like that. This kid possibly has this in him, but all that character/expression got lost in IdiotequeâEUTMs âEUoereworkingâEU.

Maybe heâEUTMs not purposely looking for a stylized look yet, but I think thatâEUTMs what we should teach him, instead of telling him how to draw âEUoecorrectlyâEU. The blocks-wires basic shape nonsense seems like a relic of something many of us truthfully never even used. Gumby said it best when he asked if the best tip would be something like "I like what you did on this and this image, make more of that!". Small things that catch our eyes are so much more appealing.

IâEUTMm trying to not make this sound like IâEUTMm excusing âEUoeitâEUTMs my styleâEU-buggery. I donâEUTMt. These people simply donâEUTMt want to change anything, no matter if itâEUTMs technically good or not and are stupid. That's where we step in again. We tell them itâEUTMs not different anymore, not eyecatching, not cute, special or odd and they needs to try a different approach.

Lastly, after lego's advice, he drew this: this.
and InsertFunnyUserName said: "You're improving". YouâEUTMre right, he is, but not in the way Insert meant it. He's experimenting with a different approach. Now we want him to experiment more and more until he combines and finds one he's definitely comfortable with. LetâEUTMs not all suck up to one drawing style and tell him itâEUTMs what he HAS to keep on doing in order to be good.

Anyway, this IS the Lounge, whatâEUTMs your thoughts.

This was basically a reworking of a convo I had in the Lounge, if the structure seems a bit off, you now know why.

and because I fail at Word I mislinked Idioteque's reworking and the drawing after Lego's advice. They're all in the thread themselves tho, so maybe just scroll through that.

At 1/1/13 09:27 PM, maficmelody wrote: Hmm.. had I known this was the general consensus I would have ignored their art thread. I thought we were sharing suggestions and such for whomever asked for it?

Not general consensus as much as a new viewpoint, or what should be the general consensus.

At 1/1/13 09:03 PM, test-object wrote: Anyway, this IS the Lounge, whatâEUTMs your thoughts.

This was basically a reworking of a convo I had in the Lounge, if the structure seems a bit off, you now know why.

I think there should be core fundamentals at the root of all drawings, but people should feel free to draw in their own manner and style. If there is something that works for them, they should keep at it, whether or not it abides by traditional laws.

Also, something about that idioteque guy rubs me the wrong way

At 1/2/13 02:21 AM, M-Maher wrote: Critique please.

Why are you posting this here? You have your own thread.....

At 1/1/13 10:37 PM, Fifty-50 wrote: So basically test-object is saying that we shouldn't try to enforce strict fundamentals on art since each and every of us have a unique way of making it. Makes sense. I very much agree with test-object on this matter, but there are some things that bother me a bit. Does this apply to those who keep repeating the same mistake over and over again? You know, people who keep their flawed style and don't improve. Well I guess it doesn't really matter since it's their own grave they're digging.

I whole heartily agree with test, i like to give everyone a chance and its clear to see this guy is trying to improve.

Now there's a bunch of artists out there who have their own styles, who don't have realist shapes and sizes... just take this for example.

The wrists are thicker then the hands, and the features are over animated and different, but it works because everything is constant and looks in place. of course this is this persons unique style (and very hard to replicate I found). But new artists need to understand that others normally find misshaped or misaligned forms wrong and detracts from the picture UNLESS the whole image is like that, in that case the picture makes sense as its MENT to be like that, so it doesn't look wrong.

At 1/1/13 10:37 PM, Fifty-50 wrote: but there are some things that bother me a bit. Does this apply to those who keep repeating the same mistake over and over again? You know, people who keep their flawed style and don't improve. Well I guess it doesn't really matter since it's their own grave they're digging.

I did explain, but Newgrounds fucked my text up quite bad, so let me repost that bit without any apostrophes or weird shit.

Im trying to not make this sound like Im excusing the quote on quote my style-buggery. I dont. These people simply dont want to change anything, no matter if its technically good or not and are stupid. That's where we step in again. We tell them its not different anymore, not eyecatching, not cute, special or odd and they needs to try a different approach.

We as "artists" just need to stop and think to ourselves whether we follow our own advice or that we're just telling stuff that's been repeated a dozen times already. After all, this is supposed to be a place of having fun and open choice, not a school. Maybe we could try and point out the things that we like about pictures instead of pointing out the big 'flaws' that may or may not be flaws in hindsight.

I like to recommend the fundamentals to everyone who hasn't studied them before- working the other way around, even for the sake of an interesting piece, is like putting the cart before the horse learning wise. An awful lot of beginning artists choose stylization because it's easier, not for any true affection for the form, so it's good to give tips that make realism easier along with general advice.

Furthermore, knowing how to build up masses from basic shapes is a good skill for any artist, not just the realists. It's not right for every piece, sure, but I'd say it's right for every artist.

At 1/2/13 10:02 AM, lovingthedark wrote: Furthermore, knowing how to build up masses from basic shapes is a good skill for any artist, not just the realists. It's not right for every piece, sure, but I'd say it's right for every artist.

You're fine in doing so, I'm not going in against realism. I'm rallying for a bigger variation in advice. We've got a bunch of people with various styles, I wanna hear what they like about a drawing or explain their drawing habits to newcomers. Breathe some life into it.