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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 07:55 AM Reply

Outsider art.

Siding with Orn on this.
Yeah, outsider art was originally used to classify art by the mentally ill and all that, but it has, well be adopted by others who are more or less perfectly mentally capable. These people have diluted the definition to pretty much mean "Anything I can slap together and label as 'ART' is art"

Yes, All beautiful things aren't art, and all art is not beautiful things. (I think thats a quote from someone,) but you gotta draw the line somewhere. It doesn't just stop at just drawing. What about that "Canned Artist's Shit" or that woman who sat on the steps of an art museum and drew really terrible portraits of folks (no really, they were like 5 year kid old drawing) She was mentally healthy, but she called it art and is listed in outsider art sections.

Again, I agree with Orn. Outsider art have become a lable for people to cop out from actually trying to learn skills to make decent art. They go for shock value or just plain stupidity now rather than actually trying. Here is another example of performance "Outsider Art" that just kind of shows the crap that i'm talking about.

I admit, the mind of the mentally ill would be a fascinating place to see, it really would. and when they sometimes do have the ability to place that mind on to paper or canvas or sculpture, it is usually interesting and intriguing. But most of the time outsider art is just hacks who are simply lazy.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 08:00 AM Reply

At 1/17/13 07:55 AM, Kinsei01 wrote: Here is another example of performance "Outsider Art" that just kind of shows the crap that i'm talking about.

Oh yeah, video is probably Not Safe For Work


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 08:11 AM Reply

The problem is that "outsider art" becomes it's own box. Trained artists are hardly free of obsession and mental instability (trust me), and no "outsiders" truly live in a cultural vaccuum- there's no such thing.

Often the real distinguishing factor ends up being either a) craftsmanship- if your work isn't falling apart and made of untenable materials, clearly you knew what you were doing and are therefor a tool of the establishment and b) sob stories- mental illness, history of abuse, cultural oppression, poverty.
Not saying I don't enjoy Baltimore's Visionary Arts Museum, but the angle it takes is just as pretentious and picky as any fine art gallery.

It is worth noting that while artists do have a higher likeliness of mental illness, we're also better equipped to deal with those illnesses than the general population is.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 11:29 AM Reply

At 1/17/13 08:00 AM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 1/17/13 07:55 AM, Kinsei01 wrote: Here is another example of performance "Outsider Art" that just kind of shows the crap that i'm talking about.
Oh yeah, video is probably Not Safe For Work

I read the title, then quietly backed away. I do not need that burned into my retinas thank you.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 12:29 PM Reply

Who's a really gorey arteest on this establishment?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 12:56 PM Reply

At 1/17/13 12:44 AM, ornery wrote: "yeah it sucks, but its supposed to, thats the whole point. We are taking the conventions that make everything good in art and since we lack the necessary ability to meet those conventions we are gonna make our own club where bad is good."

You would hate Dadaism where the people with actual talented grouped together to make shit and destroy it on the spot.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 01:01 PM Reply

At 1/17/13 12:56 PM, Otto wrote: You would hate Dadaism where the people with actual talented grouped together to make shit and destroy it on the spot.

Ornery knows about them, he hates them and everything they stand for.

I think they were a cute necessary evil for awesome things like Monty Python or The Residents to become reality.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 03:01 PM Reply

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 03:52 PM Reply

At 1/17/13 08:00 AM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 1/17/13 07:55 AM, Kinsei01 wrote: Here is another example of performance "Outsider Art" that just kind of shows the crap that i'm talking about.
Oh yeah, video is probably Not Safe For Work

I think that video has popped up around here a few times.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 11:14 PM Reply

Regardless of any misconceptions, I thoroughly enjoy the art of most proper outsider artists. I actually chuckled that Wesley Willis was on Wikipedia's list of outsider artists. I love me some tunes about whoopin Spiderman's ass.

On slightly different note, I am also fascinated with the illustrative works found in Carl Jung's Liber Novus now known as The Red Book. Like most early "Outsider Artists", he would simply illustrate the crazy shit he saw in the state of psychosis. Only thing was, he was a leader in the field of psychotherapy, therefor his "unconscious" was at his control to capture in an organized manner.

Most of you have probably heard about this guy in a psychology class or know him at Freud's pupil. The guy was a pioneer in psychological studies. Being the theorist behind the complex, collective unconsciousness, and even word association. He was also an artist of different sorts. His artistry which I find most interesting as I mentioned before, are the illustrations within The Red Book. This dude would hallucinate and suffer from elaborate illusions depicting apocalyptic-like situations. As someone who had studied the human mind for years, he confronted his psychosis and begun a long series of self examination. He believed the only way to capture his visions and dreams was through symbolic imagery, so he would paint.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 11:55 PM Reply

At 1/17/13 11:25 PM, MajesticBob wrote: On a different note...

Everything I just said is irrelevant.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 18th, 2013 @ 12:36 AM Reply

At 1/17/13 11:55 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote:
At 1/17/13 11:25 PM, MajesticBob wrote: On a different note...
Everything I just said is irrelevant.

It's ok. I teared up a little the first time I saw it.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 18th, 2013 @ 12:47 AM Reply

At 1/18/13 12:36 AM, MajesticBob wrote:
At 1/17/13 11:55 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote:
At 1/17/13 11:25 PM, MajesticBob wrote: On a different note...
Everything I just said is irrelevant.
It's ok. I teared up a little the first time I saw it.

I teared up, but not through my eyes.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 18th, 2013 @ 05:03 AM Reply

At 1/18/13 12:47 AM, Captain-Carrion wrote: I teared up, but not through my eyes.

Your tear ducts are broken. Seek medical help.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 18th, 2013 @ 08:55 AM Reply

At 1/18/13 05:03 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
At 1/18/13 12:47 AM, Captain-Carrion wrote: I teared up, but not through my eyes.
Your tear ducts are broken. Seek medical help.

naah, its normal, sometimes I cry white tears through my penis.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 18th, 2013 @ 07:08 PM Reply

At 1/18/13 08:55 AM, M-Maher wrote:
At 1/18/13 05:03 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
At 1/18/13 12:47 AM, Captain-Carrion wrote: I teared up, but not through my eyes.
Your tear ducts are broken. Seek medical help.
naah, its normal, sometimes I cry white tears through my penis.

I think your confusing crying with masturbation....
but then again, who says the one eyed monster can't cry from time to time.

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Bout fucking time.

I'll have to buy the 2013 newt week....

Yes... I know.... just... just let me have this, OK!

Spent 30 bucks getting a couple more stickers too... probably do the same thing next week. :3


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 18th, 2013 @ 08:12 PM Reply

At 1/18/13 08:55 AM, M-Maher wrote: naah, its normal, sometimes I cry white tears through my penis.

God I hate your jokes....

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 18th, 2013 @ 09:44 PM Reply

At 1/18/13 08:12 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:
At 1/18/13 08:55 AM, M-Maher wrote: naah, its normal, sometimes I cry white tears through my penis.
God I hate your jokes....

I love you too, wanna become an orthodox christian gay couple?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 18th, 2013 @ 09:47 PM Reply

I bought some huge paint markers the other day. Ho man those things rip ass.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 12:51 AM Reply

At 1/18/13 09:47 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: I bought some huge paint markers the other day. Ho man those things rip ass.

pics or it didn't happen


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 01:46 AM Reply

At 1/18/13 09:47 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: I bought some huge paint markers the other day. Ho man those things rip ass.

Wait, you shoved markers up your ass? Markers that were so huge they ripped it?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 02:59 AM Reply

At 1/19/13 01:46 AM, big-jonny-13 wrote:
At 1/18/13 09:47 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: I bought some huge paint markers the other day. Ho man those things rip ass.
Wait, you shoved markers up your ass? Markers that were so huge they ripped it?

Are you dumb or something? Yeah that's what I fucking said kid. What, have you never heard of anal sharpie art?
Fucking twat.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 12:51 PM Reply

At 1/19/13 02:59 AM, Captain-Carrion wrote: What, have you never heard of anal sharpie art?

Anal sharpie art you say? Must be some sort of performance art bullshit.

On a more serious note though, what are they, and are they actually huge?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 02:23 PM Reply

Wavechan's made a colouring tutorial.
If you're interested, check it out. Judging by her work, it'll be worth a watch,


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 20th, 2013 @ 10:37 PM Reply

so....
I'm going through the Nuzlocke challenge..... on Ruby
and... FUCK LIFE!
I think I have a personal vendetta against every fucking trainer in the game now. I'm only about half way through too.
The last of my core team got wiped a few hours ago, and I just kind of rampaged through a shit ton of trainers and gyms
my stupidity crippled my backups and now I'm playing with a bunch of rookies....
fuck I\m screwed
I have little to no decent team, and I can't progress until I get to do some major grinding.
fucking hell...
Fuck, I suck as a trainer... I have honestly got to rethink my approach to this game


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 21st, 2013 @ 12:14 AM Reply

At 1/20/13 10:37 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: so....
I'm going through the Nuzlocke challenge..... on Ruby

Nuzlocke challenge sounds like lame.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 21st, 2013 @ 01:27 AM Reply

At 1/20/13 10:37 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Game rant

What the Holy Hell are talking about Kinsei?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 21st, 2013 @ 07:50 AM Reply

At 1/21/13 12:14 AM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Nuzlocke challenge sounds like lame.

yeah, when you get your ass handed to you and there is no fixing it, you begin to hate things... lots of things...

At 1/21/13 01:27 AM, MajesticBob wrote: What the Holy Hell are talking about Kinsei?

Here you go bob... some light reading...

no really its just a small description and two rules...

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jan. 21st, 2013 @ 07:52 AM Reply

At 1/21/13 01:27 AM, MajesticBob wrote: What the Holy Hell are talking about Kinsei?
Here you go bob... some light reading...
no really its just a small description and two rules...

I have got to stop being in a rush in the mornings....
Here is the linkbob...


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