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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 1st, 2012 @ 07:00 PM Reply

Doesn't sound like it would count as art theft. It's not even like you aren't planning to credit your resource.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 1st, 2012 @ 07:16 PM Reply

At 6/1/12 06:51 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Oh, I have no problem with his fanbase not taking it well haha. It'll be a jolt to them. That's exactly what it's supposed to be: a jolt. An educational jolt. Personally, I think they need it. Wake 'em up; remind them what female bodies actually look like. I just want to know if it's against any kind of NG rules.

I say either be clear about what you're planning to do; or just do it. We can't tell if it's okay or not if we don't know what you're planning to do. I'm sure it'll be fine though.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 1st, 2012 @ 07:22 PM Reply

Sorry if I'm being unclear, then. I'm simply planning to re-draw one of his drawings. Same concept, different artist. And it will go up in the portal. That's pretty much it. Of course I'll link the original in the description.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 1st, 2012 @ 07:40 PM Reply

At 6/1/12 07:22 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Sorry if I'm being unclear, then. I'm simply planning to re-draw one of his drawings. Same concept, different artist. And it will go up in the portal. That's pretty much it. Of course I'll link the original in the description.

His fanbase will take it stupidly, and he will just laugh.
He's not going to learn anything, try as you might, he's thick.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 1st, 2012 @ 07:48 PM Reply

At 6/1/12 06:21 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: I'm talking Shadman.

Aw, I thought you were going to avoid mentioning his name.
You were doing so well!


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 1st, 2012 @ 07:59 PM Reply

Yeah, that's prolly how it's going to go down. But from what I've observed with the whole PixelCake debacle, Shadman can be a little sensitive. Even if he doesn't decide to step his game up, it'll put a thorn in his side. Who knows, it might become a regular thing. Hell, I might start doing one every week.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 1st, 2012 @ 09:40 PM Reply

There is nothing wrong with redrawing another artists piece and changing it to your style. One artist's version of a subject might be totally different from anothers. Look at all the variations of American Gothic, or the scream, or the mona lisa.

They arent copies so much as they are parodies or retellings of the same piece through the skill and style of a different artist. Its always cool to see how a different artist might have handled a certain image or idea.

In fact I had a contest that revolved around this very idea planned. Taking one artist's work and remaking it as your own. I scrapped it due to time issues but I might revive the idea one of these days.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 1st, 2012 @ 10:07 PM Reply

Now I just gotta ask myself if I wanna deal with the inevitable hatemail and zero bombing. The zero bombing, I've come to accept. I get at least 2-3 on a daily basis. I have a pretty good idea of who it is, and it happens on pretty regular intervals, so I'm assuming it's the same few people. But the hatemail might just be annoying.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 2nd, 2012 @ 12:50 AM Reply

At 6/1/12 10:07 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: But the hatemail might just be annoying.

You can always block people from sending pm's

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 2nd, 2012 @ 05:33 AM Reply

At 6/1/12 09:40 PM, ornery wrote: In fact I had a contest that revolved around this very idea planned. Taking one artist's work and remaking it as your own. I scrapped it due to time issues but I might revive the idea one of these days.

That sounds great. Hope it gets revived soon, say after Robot Day. I was also thinking of kicking off AVAT when RD was finished as well.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 2nd, 2012 @ 05:41 AM Reply

Oh god I really thought I was the only person on newgrounds who absolutely hated shadmans porn art. I was actually afraid to say anything because of the shitstorm i figured would erupt. I am so happy to know I am not the only one.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 2nd, 2012 @ 06:08 AM Reply

Okay, this is really getting irksome: does anybody else experience problems with NG not loading media? Because this is effectively making NG unusable for me.
I can go to the art portal and thumbnails may refuse to load. I may go to a piece's page and it may not load. I may visit an art thread and half of the images don't load. Dumping grounds? Effectively unusable. Audio portal also has very questionable stability.

And I've tried both with Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer, all suffering from the same problem. On two computers :/


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 2nd, 2012 @ 06:24 AM Reply

At 6/2/12 05:41 AM, Template88 wrote: Oh god I really thought I was the only person on newgrounds who absolutely hated shadmans porn art. I was actually afraid to say anything because of the shitstorm i figured would erupt. I am so happy to know I am not the only one.

I think most poeple on the art forum aren't his biggest fans.

At 6/2/12 06:08 AM, Re2deemer wrote: Okay, this is really getting irksome: does anybody else experience problems with NG not loading media? Because this is effectively making NG unusable for me.
I can go to the art portal and thumbnails may refuse to load. I may go to a piece's page and it may not load. I may visit an art thread and half of the images don't load. Dumping grounds? Effectively unusable. Audio portal also has very questionable stability.

I only have this problem with art I view from the unscouted section; for those it helps (me) to delete part of the url:
www.newgrounds.com/art/view/[artist name]/[artwork title]?context=ratings:etm.scouted:.unscouted:1.allow_banned :1.offset:3
Removing everything after the title (?context=ratings:etm.scouted:.unscouted:1.allow_banned:1.of fset:3) makes it load properly... dunno if that's the same problem you are experiencing though.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 2nd, 2012 @ 10:31 AM Reply

At 6/2/12 06:08 AM, Re2deemer wrote: Okay, this is really getting irksome: does anybody else experience problems with NG not loading media? Because this is effectively making NG unusable for me.

I think that may be more of an internet connection issue as oppose to a browser issue.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 2nd, 2012 @ 02:33 PM Reply

At 6/2/12 05:33 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
At 6/1/12 09:40 PM, ornery wrote: In fact I had a contest that revolved around this very idea planned. Taking one artist's work and remaking it as your own. I scrapped it due to time issues but I might revive the idea one of these days.
I like this idea and I have girlish hands.

I agree with Turks, this sounds like a pretty fun contest. If it happens I might actually participate in it.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 2nd, 2012 @ 08:23 PM Reply

Lolol since this discussion began, I've suddenly received a lot more attention to my art, mostly negative. Someone has just gone through and carpet bombed all of my work with low ratings. Tsk tsk.

And I haven't even drawn the picture yet.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 01:07 AM Reply

At 6/2/12 08:23 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Lolol since this discussion began, I've suddenly received a lot more attention to my art, mostly negative. Someone has just gone through and carpet bombed all of my work with low ratings. Tsk tsk.

I love you Cypress :D

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 08:15 AM Reply

Yeah, no worries. I'd really only be concerned about the ratings if I thought they were honest opinions. At which point I'd be pulling my hair out wondering how I could improve my art. Which was the case a few weeks ago, since I wasn't aware that I had made any enemies.

But when your entire gallery gets zero-bombed twice within 24 hours, it's kind of a dead giveaway that these "opinions" are anything but honest. So I'm not sweating it too much.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 09:11 AM Reply

I'm not new here, but I never previously had time to get to know any of you wonderful guys an gals.
So I figured this'd be the best place to do just that :D

Hello.

That is all.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 10:16 AM Reply

At 6/2/12 08:23 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Lolol since this discussion began, I've suddenly received a lot more attention to my art, mostly negative. Someone has just gone through and carpet bombed all of my work with low ratings. Tsk tsk.

It's a good thing that scores don't mean anything when it comes to art, huh?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 11:33 AM Reply

It depends how honest the people giving the scores are being. If the score is truly an honest summation of the pros and cons of a piece of artwork, then I'd say it's a valuable indicator of how good a piece of art is on the technical level. I think some of the scores on my art (some below 4) are very fair. And I pay particular attention to those in terms of spotting flaws. Those scores are an aggregate of hundreds of opinions so it's a fair sampling of data, if nothing else. But it is a flawed system as there is no way to guarantee the honesty of voters or that they are voting based on valuable criteria.

Anything with below 60 votes, I generally ignore the score (high or low) because the sampling is too small. When you're in the 60 minus zone, especially if you score well on your art, it only takes one zero vote to drop the score drastically and significantly more 5 votes to bring it back up the same amount. Usually, I'll accrue a bunch of 5 votes for one voting period which will slowly hike up the score, then have that increase nullified by a single 0 vote once the next voting period starts. And this happens pretty much ad nauseam until over 60 votes.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 11:41 AM Reply

I'd say the main problem with scores has nothing to do with honesty of the voters. It has to do with the fact that quality has nothing to do with wether or not poeple like it; or even wether or not poeple think it has quality.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 11:57 AM Reply

That's partly what I meant by honesty. If people are truly looking beyond the subject and voting based on their true opinions about the art quality. A dishonest opinion, in my mind, is one where a person will go: "Well, the art itself is not so good...but I will vote 5 because I like the subject". This also applies to people voting down a piece because they //don't// like the subject, but are actually impressed by the art.

There's just too much ambiguity on what a vote could actually mean.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 12:17 PM Reply

At 6/3/12 11:57 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: That's partly what I meant by honesty. If people are truly looking beyond the subject and voting based on their true opinions about the art quality. A dishonest opinion, in my mind, is one where a person will go: "Well, the art itself is not so good...but I will vote 5 because I like the subject". This also applies to people voting down a piece because they //don't// like the subject, but are actually impressed by the art.

nah, what i'm saying is that even if poeple look beyond their opinion; they still don't know quality. The only way to validate someone's criticism is to see if you agree with it; but if that is the case you might not have needed the criticism. And on the other hand someone might have a valid point even if you don't see it as such.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 12:45 PM Reply

At this point any comment with actual critique is so rare that I just vote any and all of them "helpful" and consider it. Everything else is just worship or shit-talk. If more than one person points out a particular flaw, then I consider it more heavily. Though there is usually no sign of whether or not people actually know what they're talking about.

I've had people who are Shadman fanatics try to tell me a thing or two about anatomy.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 12:46 PM Reply

I don't think we should stop voting on how much we like a subject- subject is just as much a concious art choice as composition. A trite or boring subject can be overcome by an inventive and original approach, but I'll still consider subject matter as a factor in my estimation of a piece.

But yeah, it definitely shouldn't be the only factor.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 01:15 PM Reply

Maybe half a star for the subject matter is fair. I'd think any more than that would be a bias.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 05:02 PM Reply

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the notion of people voting based on the author of the submission.
I've seen some authors submit works that aren't as good as their other pieces and still get high scores just because of the name attached to it, and I've seen some others submit works that are way better than the rest of their stuff but it gets a low score because they've been associated with poor work.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 05:35 PM Reply

At 6/3/12 05:02 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: I'm surprised nobody has brought up the notion of people voting based on the author of the submission.

That's called life, mate. If you can find a way this doesn't happen, you basically are the Lord and Saviour himself.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Jun. 3rd, 2012 @ 06:43 PM Reply

At 6/3/12 05:35 PM, test-object wrote: you basically are the Lord and Saviour himself.

No, I wouldn't call myself that ;P