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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-28 02:54:18 Reply

You's a man Kinsei, sewing is hard (well, sometimes)

I mostly sew by hand though because it's more "relaxing" or something.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-28 03:01:30 Reply

At 7/28/11 02:54 AM, Knocturne wrote: You's a man Kinsei, sewing is hard (well, sometimes)

I-I can keep my card this time :')

I mostly sew by hand though because it's more "relaxing" or something.

I find machines kind of relaxing, and like to hear their motors and gears work...
I even have the piston set to a car's A/C compressor setting only a couple of feet from me...

I like the way it looks, and have even considered turning it in to a small table or something

>.>.... so yeah... machines....


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-28 03:34:24 Reply

At 7/28/11 01:55 AM, Wivernryder wrote:
At 7/28/11 01:47 AM, Captain-Ben wrote: Decided I need to start posting on here some more, being a creeper just doesn't cut it.
HSsssssssssssss.......

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-28 04:19:00 Reply

Man what a night, I haven't gotten that many troll giggles in a while
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-28 04:47:23 Reply

At 7/28/11 04:19 AM, Kinsei01 wrote: Man what a night, I haven't gotten that many troll giggles in a while
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I missed it. Awwwwwwwww.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-28 05:06:33 Reply

At 7/28/11 01:47 AM, Captain-Ben wrote: Decided I need to start posting on here some more, being a creeper just doesn't cut it.

That's good.

Been sort of stuck in a rut artistically lately, sort of losing interest in painting. Been getting back into just pencil and pen stuff lately, and wanting to get back into screen printing.

That's not good.

This happen to you guys at all, anyone else ever lose complete interest in their medium of choice?

I wish i'd know a way to get out of it, but the best tactic I have used so far is "sit it out". anaways.good to have you posting again, I missed that.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-28 16:54:13 Reply

At 7/28/11 02:39 AM, Knocturne wrote: I can feel myself slipping into a rut right now actually. I always alternate between different mediums, right now I'm on pencils and charcoal.

I don't know if you've posted any or not, the place I'm on vacation at here has pretty dodgy internet at best and I haven't been able to get it to load images in the forums all day, but how has charcoal and pencil been working for you as far as mixing the mediums go? I've never really hard much luck with trying to mix the two. Usually the charcoal ends up drowning out the pencil, and the shine off the pencil ends up looking weird with the flatness of the charcoal.

Are you using charcoal just for the sake of getting darker darks? I'd recommend just fooling around with a black ballpoint pen for that. It blends really well with pencil and you can get some really nice, smooth shading.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-28 19:03:40 Reply

At 7/28/11 01:47 AM, Captain-Ben wrote: Decided I need to start posting on here some more, being a creeper just doesn't cut it.

Been sort of stuck in a rut artistically lately, sort of losing interest in painting. Been getting back into just pencil and pen stuff lately, and wanting to get back into screen printing.

This happen to you guys at all, anyone else ever lose complete interest in their medium of choice?

Rut, right now I'm in a huge rut. I've lost interest in art and animation. Right now I should be doing something...but I'm not. I don't like it at all.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-31 18:03:18 Reply

Things:
Art is dumb because everyone thinks they are an artist even when they suck
Art is dumb because everyone thinks they are being original and new or starting some new movement
Art is dumb because people tend to overthink or underthink a piece to the point where they miss the point
Art is dumb because there's no clear division in someone who likes art (like me) and someone who is actually what would be more classically viewed as an artist (like Ornery, let's say)
/end of repetitious pseudopoem

Studying art history has taught me that art is pretty dumb, it's kinda pointless, and depending on the notoriety it is pretty ephemeral and then an art pieces age or socio-political context can increase that art pieces value just 'cuz.

The other dimension on which art is dumb involves the artist's intent versus what is perceived, if what is perceived is more grandiose than what the artist had in mind, that piece can be elevated just to do audience reception even if the value of the perception is one based on "Ooh so pretty" and not "Oh the message". It's really the audience who decides what is good, and even if you as an artist are proud of some piece and it has all the elements a typically well received piece has, you're at the mercy of an audience and you're under more scrutiny when you're audience is composed of artistic peers.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-31 18:11:26 Reply

At 7/31/11 06:03 PM, Knocturne wrote: Art is dumb

The conclusion that hits me after reading that rant is that it isn't so much that art is dumb, it is that studying art or the history of art in a normative way is dumb.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-31 18:17:06 Reply

Thinking about art is dumb. *insert Nike slogan here*

With that said, here's an interesting article found on Reddit - The man who couldn't stop drawing

Sarkin was rewarded with his first New York art show. At one point, a woman approached him. "Can I borrow you for a second?" she asked. "I just want to tell you what I think your art means." Sarkin politely obliged, and finally the woman asked him what he thought his art meant. "It doesn't mean anything," Sarkin said. "You want meaning? Go get the Wall Street Journal."
Sometimes Sarkin said he felt as if it was one giant scam, that he was taking money merely for doing something he couldn't help but do.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-31 18:21:54 Reply

At 7/31/11 06:11 PM, J-qb wrote:
At 7/31/11 06:03 PM, Knocturne wrote: Art is dumb
The conclusion that hits me after reading that rant is that it isn't so much that art is dumb, it is that studying art or the history of art in a normative way is dumb.

Oh, good point, but then what is a better way to study art and it's history?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-31 18:32:47 Reply

The problem with studying art is that if you do it subjectively it's just stupid, as most poeple will probably agree on. If you do it objectively, it loses part of it's relation to art and becomes more just standard history, or the actual techniques or something like that.
I'd say it's the same as with art itself, do not over or underthink it, do not try to find an objective "point" or meaning. Just... absorb it or whatever and use it whichever way feels natural (that might mean; don't actively try to apply it to art, it'll sneak it's way in anyways).
I followed a course of hermeneutics which involved reading works of fiction and overanalyzing everything. While it was certainly interesting in some ways, it also always felt utterly pointless and stupid. Looking back on it now though, I'd say that it did make me look at art (mostly literature though) in a different way, I tend to now pick up more stuff from reading a book, even if I'm not actively analyzing it, it's more of an experience or something... dunno


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-31 20:30:16 Reply

In a somewhat related way to studying art, I picked up a book on how to draw faces today! So maybe now I will hone my skills or whatever.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-31 22:57:46 Reply

At 7/31/11 06:03 PM, Knocturne wrote: Art is dumb because people tend to overthink or underthink a piece to the point where they miss

I think this is one of my problems....
... yeah I'm sure of it.... I think.... maybe...

At 7/31/11 08:30 PM, Spaghetti14 wrote: In a somewhat related way to studying art, I picked up a book on how to draw faces today! So maybe now I will hone my skills or whatever.

Aw. If I would have had a little more cash today, I was going to buy another book over drawing fantasy. it was kind of general and covered a lot of things, but it was pretty good at its explanation of things. I'll get it in a week or so.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-07-31 23:40:19 Reply

I've been looking for a good book on water color lately, I think I'm gonna go it alone though with online tutorials unless you guys know a good one


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-01 02:50:20 Reply

At 7/31/11 11:40 PM, Knocturne wrote: I've been looking for a good book on water color lately, I think I'm gonna go it alone though with online tutorials unless you guys know a good one

I also picked up some decent watercolors!
If you find a good book, tell me, cause I have no idea what I'm doing with it.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-01 04:13:59 Reply

my hand is my canvas

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-01 04:33:38 Reply

At 8/1/11 04:13 AM, CloudEater wrote: my hand is my canvas
we are trees

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-02 11:26:11 Reply

shiity drawing
..gets one somewhat helpful review

People think this is a useless review.
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"No."

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-02 12:15:50 Reply

But apparently, someone rated this up to useful

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A rather disgusting-looking git that should have been disposed of ages ago.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 06:21:52 Reply

This is why I suck at drawing

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 06:22:53 Reply

ugh....ok. First of all, the style, obviously you don't know how to use it, you can't use that kind of style with a picture/image in movement, why? well because the train for example doesn't look like is 100% moving... because of the style. Then again, I said "not 100%". It does look like an intent of make a train in movement;now, while the train tries to be in movement the kid is just stand there with out any movement at all, it looks like a fucking stamp , why? again, because of a really bad use of this style. Now to the next, and probably the WORST fucking thing about this picture: the bear....more specifically the smile, it's more than a disaster, it's horrible. Don't know why but you just decided to use the pencil on it... very bad decision, it doesn't match at all with the rest of the picture. And yeah, EVEN if you want it to look like that, again... bad decision. All this makes an aweful picture and something disgusting to look at. It's a beautiful, solid, and big piece of shit. Have a great day sir. =


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 07:36:41 Reply

At 8/5/11 06:21 AM, Knocturne wrote: This is why I suck at drawing

You suck at drawing because some fag who doesn't know much about art thinks your style is bad.

I just think you need to try and give your paintings more details &or texture.
You can draw well, your art just lacks sometimes when there is no inking or lineart.
In this drawing (#) the body looks really flat and the drawing seems unfinished. With lineart the flatness wouldn't be as much of a problem. Your train drawing also has that flatness problem/ lack of depth.

This drawing (#), while it is outlineless it has texture, shading (although the shading is kinda odd in some places) and some depth.
This drawing (#) doesn't really have shading apart from the dark parts around the collar, but the outline/sketch thing makes the drawing seem complete and.. good.. :)

That guy saying your stuff is bad because of your use of 'this style' isn't helpful at all and doesn't make sense.. :I ,~so yea, you just need to work on depth and shading when you do art or something like that.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 08:22:36 Reply

At 8/5/11 06:21 AM, Knocturne wrote: This is why I suck at drawing

This is in response to this painting?

I can see what he's saying, but he has no idea to describe it. Such as this gem:

It does look like an intent of make a train in movement; now, while the train tries to be in movement the kid is just stand there with out any movement at all, it looks like a fucking stamp

I agree. For what reason?

why? again, because of a really bad use of this style.

Style has nothing to do with it. The pics on Google follow the train, and the background blurs since it is moving rapidly away from the train. There are also lots of lines which suggest the path of the train.

Now to the next, and probably the WORST fucking thing about this picture: the bear....more specifically the smile, it's more than a disaster, it's horrible. Don't know why but you just decided to use the pencil on it... very bad decision, it doesn't match at all with the rest of the picture.

The smile doesn't nuke the picture to make it an abomination, but it could look more like it was attached to the bear, rather than a scribble over the painting. You could try using a softer edged brush, or draw it on a new new Multiply or Soft Light layer.

Of course nothing's more reliable at getting your message across than a good ol' insult at the end.
Particularly since the artist is the only person who's going to read it ...


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 08:32:29 Reply

At 8/5/11 08:22 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: This is in response to this painting?

Personally I think the awkward thing about the painting is that the bear's entire body is pointed away from the train but the picture is acting like he's pointed towards it. By all accounts he shouldn't be able to see that girlboychild the way he's standing.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 13:50:10 Reply

my post is so much better than Rob's and Ian's...

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 13:58:47 Reply

At 8/5/11 01:50 PM, CloudEater wrote: my post is so much better than Rob's and Ian's...
we are trees

What's with the we are trees thing?

Also, good points cept Aigis, because I do believe the bear is doing a 3/4 stance like a performer on stage would do so the audience can see them better while they talk with another actor.

I guess if I focus on finishing the drawing and pay more attention to texture and detail I'll get over some of the suck but the guy's pm made me laugh because I guess he thought I thought of myself as awesome


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 14:06:07 Reply

At 8/5/11 01:58 PM, Knocturne wrote:
At 8/5/11 01:50 PM, CloudEater wrote: my post is so much better than Rob's and Ian's...
we are trees
What's with the we are trees thing?

Also, good points cept Aigis, because I do believe the bear is doing a 3/4 stance like a performer on stage would do so the audience can see them better while they talk with another actor.

The angle that the bear's body is facing is irrelevant and stupid.
Comment on my post instead Keeeeff.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2011-08-05 14:12:19 Reply

At 8/5/11 07:36 AM, CloudObler wrote: That guy saying your stuff is bad because of your use of 'this style' isn't helpful at all and doesn't make sense.. :I ,~so yea, you just need to work on depth and shading when you do art or something like that.

Thank you, it really hit home for me, I'm going to work on a drawing that relies on texture and lighting a bit more or at least there'd be attention to these aspects to create a greater sense of depth.


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