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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 27th, 2011 @ 09:59 PM Reply

At 5/27/11 09:47 PM, Fifty-50 wrote:
At 5/26/11 12:39 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: WOOOOOOOOOWWWWW
seriously, ive worked around lots of things when it comes to stuff looking like vexons. But this fucking anime....wow.

They straight up have a creature that looks like a vexon with a pointy plate mask and everything, im not giving up on them.....but fuck man.
Im not saying they stole it from me but this anime has actually been accused of stealing monster designs from other games and stuff...
FAGS....
Damn. They kicked that vexon's ass. I think this anime is a bit retarded judging from the opening. It looked so much like a vexon that it's disturbing. Maybe you can see what year this anime was actually made? It honestly made me giggle a bit.

The idiocy looked intentional. The show looks like it's intended to be a very silly action show, a la One Piece or BoBoBo.
Looking it up on Wikipedia, it IS listed as a comedy series. It began in early 2008. I don't think they stole your idea, Tre, similar though it is.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 27th, 2011 @ 11:12 PM Reply

At 5/26/11 01:52 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Copy-writing stuff is pretty expensive from what i know. And i have a pretty specific layout for a vexons anatomy and concept and story that i hope to someday coy-write when i have a ton of money to do so.

Nope. Copyrighting is pretty dirt-cheap - in fact, it's free. Registering trademarks and patents, though, those take money. Copy-righting is really just your right to own specific images that you've bought/made, the like, not concepts.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 03:14 AM Reply

Really, in all honesty, the Vexons are not THAT unique, at first I thought they were Spy Vs. Spy spies.

In general I don't think that unique races/characters are created often, most, if not all are amalgamations of other semi-unique things.

Like how House and Monk are heavily based on Sherlock Holmes.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 07:56 PM Reply

500 Pages and virtually no art?

Wikigrounds is fast approaching the magic figure of 500 Pages and we are promoting the site heavily to mark the occasion. It therefore concerns us that there is so little ART on it.

The team of regulars does not currnetly include any artists and we know little about how the Art Portal, and the various threads and competitions work. We do have a small section, with a Page about the Portaland just two sample pagesabout what we guessed are major art submissions.

We need some people who can help us decide what the criteria for Notability- meaning possible inclusion in our wiki- on the subject of art. Are there art submissions which we should have pages about- What makes them significant above the run- of-the-mill art submissions? What would we say about them that was worth reading?

Likewise, are there Artists that are worth creating Pages for? What makes them so special? If we created Pages for them, would they have anything on the Page that was not on the artists user page?

I understand that you guys have stacks of competitions- we would NOT want a Page about every one of them, so which are Notable? Which have significance for more than a few weeks?

What other Pages could we have that people would consider significant and useful?

Is the Art 101 user Notable? Apart from saying that it exists and giving a boring list of what is on it, could we tell people something worth saying?

Do you guys have significant Crews ? Do the Flash Crews have much impact here?

I spoke to Turkey on a Stick, who suggested I created a thread here and invited you guys to join in with creating a credible Art section on Wikigrounds. You can do this by writing a few answers to my questions and other thoughts you have here. You can talk to us on the Wikigrounds Club threadif you prefer or you can go to Wikigrounds yourself and contact me there, or join up and join in the editing.

The art section is so small we had to combine it with Audio just so it didn't look totally lame. We know many of you feel that Art doesn't get the attention it deserves and we want you to help us help you to get that balance.

The Art pages will need improved categorising too and if you guys will come and join us, then we will give it a month of specialist attention, when we sort the Art out.

Art specialists could get fast-tracked into admin positions if they are constructive, put in the effort and learn what is going on and how to do things.

Finally, the promotions currently include Secret messages, User News Posts, PMs to key people, a Flash Submissionplanned for the day of 500 (this coming week) and an application for Wiki Spotlight when we hit 500 Pages. If any of you can promote this event at all, please do-
--Wikigrounds is fast becoming a significant source of info- hundreds of people dropped in on April 1st this year to find out about it; hundreds more dropped by to find out about this year's Tank Awards.

Thanks for your attention


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 08:03 PM Reply

I think the problem with the art portal part of the wiki is frankly there isn't all that much to say about it.
It's a pretty straightforward system, it hasn't been remodeled yet, like other portals have in the past.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 08:11 PM Reply

At 5/28/11 08:03 PM, M-Vero wrote: I think the problem with the art portal part of the wiki is frankly there isn't all that much to say about it.
It's a pretty straightforward system, it hasn't been remodeled yet, like other portals have in the past.

Ah, but the wiki is there to give info to people who are NOT in the know- people like me don't understand how your Portal works, it is SO different to the more familiar Flash Portal.

Besides, there was years of art on Newgrounds before the johnny-come-lately Art Portal- threads, clubs, competitions, event Flashes about Art and stuff going round the world. I feel a Page called Art on Newgrounds coming on to sum this all up, as a starting point- waddaya think of THAT !


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 08:30 PM Reply

Actually, I think a very good addition to it would be to explain the scouting system.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 08:37 PM Reply

At 5/28/11 08:30 PM, M-Vero wrote: Actually, I think a very good addition to it would be to explain the scouting system.

- Oh, please! I wrote the little paragraphs on Scouting and Being Scouted on the Art Portal Page, but I don't know all the details myself. For example I see "2 Scouts" on someones page- does that mean they were scouted by 2 people or that they have scouted 2 people or what?

If we got enough info together we should write 2 pages about this subject with pix, examples etc.

I have to go to bed now...

... one last question. How does Newgrounds Art interact with the outside world- did any really famous art start on Newgrounds? Are there quotes, links, comments about Newgrounds Art and the Art Portal elsewhere? Has is made any impact outside of Newgrounds?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 09:01 PM Reply

You guys are right with the whole vexon thing. Although its been almost 7 years since i first though them up it doesnt matter. Its my oldest character that ive kept and it has alot of personal history to it, and ive just been pushing the envelope on what they are trying to hold on.

They are not original and maybe i would have been safe a few years ago, when people didnt have to compare everything and break things down and rate it. If i were to make my game it would get compared to lots of stuff and although i can be certain i came up with almost all of it as a middle schooler, it proves nothing. I honestly dont know if im going to keep going with vexons, ive had to change them so much i dont even feel like they belong to me. They seem like the outcome of me trying to keep something beloved alive.

And yes they can be compared to
Spy versus Spy
Mice people
Black Plague Doctors
myrs

Im pretty much done trying to satisfy people.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 09:38 PM Reply

At 5/28/11 08:37 PM, IceDragon64 wrote:
At 5/28/11 08:30 PM, M-Vero wrote: Actually, I think a very good addition to it would be to explain the scouting system.
- Oh, please! I wrote the little paragraphs on Scouting and Being Scouted on the Art Portal Page, but I don't know all the details myself. For example I see "2 Scouts" on someones page- does that mean they were scouted by 2 people or that they have scouted 2 people or what?

It means they've scouted two people.
An explanation of the system: The way the scouting system works is that the portal is divided into two sections- scouted and unscouted. The unscouted section is not visible by most people (it is only visible to scouted artists), and is essentially a waiting place for the scouted section, which is what you see when you visit the art portal normally. If you have at least 4 non-sketch works of good quality, someone from the portal can scout you and place you into the normal portal. You can be unscouted if your work is deemed by portal mods to be of inferior quality or if you misbehave in the portal, and this can also have negative effects on the person who scouted you. If someone is unscouted, all people they have scouted become unscouted as well. This can result in big chain reactions, but the system generally turns the portal into something of a merit system to filter out all of the horrible work that's in the unscouted section- if you're good and you get seen, you're allowed into the portal.
I was scouted by Kinsei01 and have personally scouted 23 other artists, for instance.

I could probably have explained that in a more concise manner, but I didn't. Oh well.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 09:41 PM Reply

At 5/28/11 09:01 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Im pretty much done trying to satisfy people.

Stop being so depressing.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 28th, 2011 @ 11:41 PM Reply

At 5/28/11 09:01 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Im pretty much done trying to satisfy people.

...but we still get an MMO in july, right? :O


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 29th, 2011 @ 06:18 AM Reply

Hey Icedragon, I remember you!

Well, calling out the most notable users wouldn't be such a hot idea. There's quite some users, all with terrific drawings/paintings/... and it would be a shame to spotlight some and miss others out. We could of course just mention the mods that have passed. Otherwise, if we really want users, we could look at the amount of FP's they've gotten and base notability on that.

Scouting system and Art101 could of course do with some exposure. Art101 basically is our wiki in the first place. It would be fun having some of the memorable Art Forum Threads in there, albeit a bit pointless perhaps. Chadd-Syphrett and Garden Wall Art come to mind.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 29th, 2011 @ 11:27 AM Reply

I've actually got a list of important art forum threads and news posts which I've bookmarked.
Art101 Navigation
Art Portal Patrol
Art Requests Go Here
Art101 Critiquing Thread
Freeware Art Programs

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 29th, 2011 @ 04:53 PM Reply

At 5/28/11 09:01 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: You guys are right with the whole vexon thing. Although its been almost 7 years since i first though them up it doesnt matter. Its my oldest character that ive kept and it has alot of personal history to it, and ive just been pushing the envelope on what they are trying to hold on.

They are not original and maybe i would have been safe a few years ago, when people didnt have to compare everything and break things down and rate it. If i were to make my game it would get compared to lots of stuff and although i can be certain i came up with almost all of it as a middle schooler, it proves nothing. I honestly dont know if im going to keep going with vexons, ive had to change them so much i dont even feel like they belong to me. They seem like the outcome of me trying to keep something beloved alive.

And yes they can be compared to
Spy versus Spy
Mice people
Black Plague Doctors
myrs

Im pretty much done trying to satisfy people.

Dude, really it doesn't matter at all that there was, is and will be something similar to Vexons. They are a pretty cool idea and instantly caught my attention. I couldn't get them out of my head after first seeing them in the forums. To be more precise in pickletoez' art whoring thread where you requested her to draw one.

It may sound like a cheap phrase but: EVERYTHING GOOD HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. Even if it is just "almost like it" or "similar". You should not care. If you like to go on with the Vexons then you should (and I would highly appreciate it).

And yeah people will always try to compare new things to something they know already. That's just how human beings roll.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 29th, 2011 @ 06:39 PM Reply

Kraig says thanks for the posts you made about him, btw.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 29th, 2011 @ 06:58 PM Reply

At 5/29/11 06:18 AM, test-object wrote: Hey Icedragon, I remember you!

And I you- I still have the PMs. thanks for replying here


Well, calling out the most notable users wouldn't be such a hot idea. There's quite some users, all with terrific drawings/paintings/... and it would be a shame to spotlight some and miss others out.

- I have never been that keen on User Pages, despite the fact that I have written a few, becuase often there isn't anything to say that can't be seen on their User Page without trawling through finding scraps that no-one cares about, plus, as you say, there are loads of important Users out there.
However, I am not asking because I really want to write them, I am writing because our job as admins isn't to write pages, but to assess pages, so if someone wants to write a Page, we can have a framework to decide if it should stay, ready before others write them. Notability isn't neccesarily about who is the best Artist, but who is most Notable in some way or other, which obviously has a lot to do with success and popularity.

:We could of course just mention the mods that have passed.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "passed", all Mods are considered Notable on Wikigrounds anyway.

:Otherwise, if we really want users, we could look at the amount of FP's they've gotten and base notability on that.

OK, in Flash, we say Weekly Users Choice Flash is Notable, but we need more than that to make a User Notable, probably a stack of awards including at least one Weekly. Anyone any ideas what would be equivalent in art?


Scouting system and Art101 could of course do with some exposure. Art101 basically is our wiki in the first place. It would be fun having some of the memorable Art Forum Threads in there, albeit a bit pointless perhaps. Chadd-Syphrett and Garden Wall Art come to mind.

OK, I'm on it with Scouting and Art 101 in some way or other. However, I don't intend to write seperate Pages for other threads unless there really is a lot worth saying about them. It is possible to write Pages which have a list of things with a small paragraph about each, like our page of Ex-mods.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 29th, 2011 @ 07:25 PM Reply

At 5/29/11 06:58 PM, IceDragon64 wrote:
OK, I'm on it with Scouting and Art 101 in some way or other. However, I don't intend to write seperate Pages for other threads unless there really is a lot worth saying about them.

I guess the Garden Wall Art thread is somewhat relevant cause it caused a huge "riot" and a rule change for the art forum.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 29th, 2011 @ 08:51 PM Reply

At 5/29/11 06:39 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: Kraig says thanks for the posts you made about him, btw.

Why doesn't he just post that here himself?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 30th, 2011 @ 12:30 PM Reply

Kashi wanted me to restart that Gijinka collab thingy. Im somewhat less into pokemon, and even less into gijinkas.

However, I have a lot of spare time on my hands, so all in favour of this; say 'I'

also im making a comic


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 30th, 2011 @ 01:04 PM Reply

I am now the proud owner of a beat up antique pumporgan :D


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 30th, 2011 @ 05:45 PM Reply

At 5/30/11 01:04 PM, Lundsfryd wrote: I am now the proud owner of a beat up antique pumporgan :D

Im breaking my hiatus to tell you that that is awesome


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 30th, 2011 @ 07:06 PM Reply

Life....just got so much better.

Yeah, im going

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 30th, 2011 @ 07:22 PM Reply

At 5/30/11 07:06 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Life....just got so much better.

Yeah, im going

I love that American McGee's name has stopped being a brand (because of all the bad games he's attached it to, I'm assuming). That was like ten kinds of narcissism.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 30th, 2011 @ 07:25 PM Reply

At 5/30/11 07:06 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Life....just got so much better.

Yeah, im going

What was the entry for?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 30th, 2011 @ 07:26 PM Reply

At 5/30/11 07:06 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Life....just got so much better.

Yeah, im going

I have no idea what this is
someone explain


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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 30th, 2011 @ 07:39 PM Reply

At 5/30/11 07:06 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Life....just got so much better.
Yeah, im going

Pimpin'. Post entry please :)

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Response to Art Forum Lounge May. 31st, 2011 @ 05:11 AM Reply

Tre: Wasn't trying to make you feel bad, just saying getting huffy over similar things is kinda lame. Like my bear and the Radiohead bear, 'cept mine is better because I made the doll and fixed it up after my dog chewed it up and then drew it how it looked with the fixing.

/rant Vexons are cool or I wouldn't have drawn so many and posted one.

Also, looking for a really good underappreciated animated movie(s) to download, name some good ones.

Anything from Treasure Planet, to Grave of the Fireflies, to Persepolis. I'm more interested in very mindbending stories though.


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At 5/30/11 05:45 PM, J-qb wrote:
At 5/30/11 01:04 PM, Lundsfryd wrote: I am now the proud owner of a beat up antique pumporgan :D
Im breaking my hiatus to tell you that that is awesome

Hehe.. Thanks.. It pretty fun to play. But it's a bit like trying to play a keyboard while riding a bike up a hill.. You really got to work those pumps :P


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At 5/31/11 05:11 AM, Knocturne wrote: Also, looking for a really good underappreciated animated movie(s) to download, name some good ones.

Anything from Treasure Planet, to Grave of the Fireflies, to Persepolis. I'm more interested in very mindbending stories though.

Mind Game
Paprika
Perfect Blue
Fantastic Planet
Kirikou and the Sorceress

They're all 'foreign' films. Japanese and French.

The first three are appropriately 'mind bending' as per your request. Fantastic Planet has an amazingly surrealist style and tone to it. Kirikou and the Sorceress is just a lot of fun and not nearly popular enough; I would recommend it to anyone.


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