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At 6/21/09 07:53 PM, Lundsfryd wrote: It is not heir fault. It is pretty tricky to build anything when you constantly have to use one of your hands to keep your toga in place, and the other one to stab people.

It's also not easy to build something when you've had lots of wine to drink.

Trust me, you get all cheery and happy and start singing songs, but in no way would you build stuff.

I got into an advance art class for next year without the prerequisite.
But after a year of doing particularly uninspiring "ad design" stuff whiling my time away from pencil and paper, Iv'e decided to enhance my skills with a prolonged endeavor.
You see there are two things I want to improve.
1. Basic art skills
2. Following specific design specifications
The best arduous and taxing summer activity popped into my head. I'll draw every pokemon! They have specific design specifications, and a linear set of them to boot! So this would make it easy for me to skip through and measure my improvement, and would help me determine how I need to improve.
So I figure that I would analyze the design of said pokemen and do some poses and pick the best one(s) for my final composition, then quickly sketch and color and take a nap.
But out of this idea comes another idea. A meta idea. Three artists, all yearning to some day do arduous commercial drudgery by commision, under the gauge of a douchey unfeeling creative director.

1 creates a design
2 describes it and hands description to 3.
3 follows description given by 2, and must not be privy to 1's original design.

Then 1 2 and 3 compare and contrast both works, high fives and thumbs up. and finally a third party reviews their teamwork and rates them, more thumbs up and high fives.
We all learn a valuable lesson through this activity.

I have to agree with Ludsfryd (whom I thank for thinking of me, even tho he said mean things about me in a language I couldn't read ...yay for internet friend that can translate :P).

I'm kind of disappointed in your quantity/quality of scouts, johnny. I guess I expected you to have a more discern attitude towards the whole process (tineye is hardly foolproof).

I think EVERYONE needs to be much more selective and cautious with their scouting. If you aren't familiar with a user, investigate them. How long have they had their account? How active have they been? Check their post history. Is the level of art consistent throughout? Or did they suddenly become laserkarl overnight? ...all it takes is one person to get through and scout a bunch of alts or known idiots, and the place goes to hell.

When I see someone with 20+ scouts... that's a HUGE red flag. It puts YOU on my 'watch list'. It tells me that you're not really putting much thought into who you're approving. Look at darkred. [sorry cupcake, I'm using you as an example, you know I <3 you ...just trying to show that it can happen to the best of us!] He was quick to scout someone based on one image... that ending up being one of the accounts responsible for all of the cp that made its way into the portal last night.

In sports, the scouts go out and look for the best and the brightest talent to add to their team. They don't scout the bench warmers. You're creating a 'team' ...make it the best team you can or you're gonna lose. Then the owners will be like... this scout is crap, he's fired... and out you go!

At 6/21/09 09:18 PM, ReNaeNae wrote: I think EVERYONE needs to be much more selective and cautious with their scouting. If you aren't familiar with a user, investigate them. How long have they had their account? How active have they been? Check their post history. Is the level of art consistent throughout? Or did they suddenly become laserkarl overnight? ...all it takes is one person to get through and scout a bunch of alts or known idiots, and the place goes to hell.

Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I wasn't just using TinEye; I was going through people's previous posts to check their art progress. That's one of the main things I was basing my scouting on. If they really didn't have much to support their work, I didn't scout them. There were over 30 users that I didn't scout because their accounts are way too new, or they didn't have significant art posts to support what they are posting now.
Like I already said though, I'll cool it with the scouting. I'll keep reporting stolen works, but I'll stop with scouting.

Oh and one more thing before I go to sleep (yes, early to bed, early to rise... waking at 5 for work).
After going through over 2000 submissions in the unscouted section of the portal, I don't think it's that ridiculous that I scouted 40 people [maybe still ridiculous].
And with that, I bid thee all a good night.

It's not that we're saying you could scout someone who's stealing, or that you have too many. It's just that some of the people you've scouted really don't need to be in the portal until they've improved.

Just try and be a little stricter when it comes to scouting in the future ;)

To navigate away from general "omgartportalisoutandfullofshitrenislosi ngitjonistriggerhappy" discussion:

At 6/21/09 06:31 PM, Lundsfryd wrote:

At 6/21/09 06:26 PM, Fleshlight wrote: I think we should stop telling/letting all the no talent ms painters to post in the ms paint thread. I mean where are the standards?

How do you suggest that should be done. Deleting their posts? I am sort of "glad" that they are posteing it in there. I think it helps keeping all the whineing and the "WTF IS MAH THREAD CLOSED?!?!" posts to a minimum.

Maybe we should give those poeple with totally great mspaint work the right to post in other threads. The mspaint thread is a good thread (or at least a good idea), but (if I made msp art) I wouldnt post in it because of all the crap that is in it.
Some of the better mspaint work are much better than some poeples photoshop work, why should one be allowed and the other not.

I know you sometimes have to draw lines, but on the other hand we distinguish between good and bad photoshop work, why not mspaint. Let all the terrible mspainters post in the mspaint thread (like the newground pivot animation thread, or the animated gifs thread which are also filled with crap) and let the good guys post in other threads.
We might have some more mspaint shit in other threads if we allow good artists in, but its not like there is none of that already.

I'm all for MS paint artwork as long as it's good.

On MS Paint art
I use linux and I have to go out of my way to get MS paint

Wine - torrents - dll librarys

On Scouting

Some of the best scouts are laserkarl, and lundsfryd.

And one of the funny things about scouting is the scout pyramid.
You can trace all users back to i bot! Its also fun to count how far back i bot is from them. degrees of seperation.

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I haven't scouted a single person yet so far because I don't give a shit what my SCOUT COUNT!!! is

I've seen lots of people, like mods (not art forum) in the unscouted section but just because they are mods doesn't mean they should be scouted. if you want to give someone a chance and you have so much time that you can scout a crapload of people, PM them with a crapload of tutorials and tell them to get back to you when they put something awesome on their userpage so that you will scout when they deserve it.

i'd rather have no scouts than crappy scouts. it could be that i'm not helping the portal to grow, but maybe i'm just preventing it from growing too far

</rant>

also, look to see how many submissions they have and what kind of rep they have on newgrounds. i've seen a lot of people with good art scout their friends or a bunch of crappers just because they probably don't know what they're doing

Some people are just noob trolls.
Exhibit A:
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/mario master123123123/john-cena-ftw

Why was he scouted by decent artist?
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/mario master123123123/spider-reflexes
Exciting eye catching image, unlike his crayon scans, may be stolen, tineye shows no results

At 6/22/09 10:31 AM, Jarvid wrote: Why was he scouted by decent artist?
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/mario master123123123/spider-reflexes
Exciting eye catching image, unlike his crayon scans, may be stolen, tineye shows no results

i still would not bother scouting that

im started to get really peaved off with the amount of pure traced / stolen work getting into the art portal... along with the amount of strong adult martieral still in the (to be scouted) area... i understand its still in a beta stage... but its very hard with art to tell if its them who drew/painted/did it... iv seen alot of users jump at them and scout them just for them to be removed later beacuse someone picks up the picture was done by someone else... prime example is one of the vault boys (level 14 i think) that *a user* put up saying it was his when it was blatenly Luis's work... i think there should be stonger rules for stealers and the like... where as users who were completey oblivious to the fact it didnt belong to them will be warned or something... i dont know... whats your thoughts?

Am I the only one getting really, really annoyed by the fact that opening the Art Portal has also caused this forum to be flooded with retards begging to be scouted and/or asking stupid questions without reading the rules of the forum??

It seems like it would be easier just to make a sub-forum of some kind just for the Art Portal...

At 6/22/09 11:10 AM, LegolaSS wrote: i think there should be stonger rules for stealers and the like...

I agree 100%.Yesterday,I reported four images from defensegameguru.The images were taken down but he wasnt unscouted and banned.He still has stuff up which is more than likely stolen as well (I just cant prove it).Theres much better artists which are being unscouted for less yet hes still going.
Once caught stealing I think you should be banned from submitting to the art portal for good.

At 6/22/09 11:18 AM, KittyKat87 wrote: Am I the only one getting really, really annoyed by the fact that opening the Art Portal has also caused this forum to be flooded with retards begging to be scouted and/or asking stupid questions without reading the rules of the forum??

Yeah it is really annoying.Id says once the hype for the art portal dies down it will stop.

At 6/22/09 11:10 AM, LegolaSS wrote: im started to get really peaved off with the amount of pure traced / stolen work getting into the art portal... along with the amount of strong adult martieral still in the (to be scouted) area... i understand its still in a beta stage... but its very hard with art to tell if its them who drew/painted/did it... iv seen alot of users jump at them and scout them just for them to be removed later beacuse someone picks up the picture was done by someone else... prime example is one of the vault boys (level 14 i think) that *a user* put up saying it was his when it was blatenly Luis's work... i think there should be stonger rules for stealers and the like... where as users who were completey oblivious to the fact it didnt belong to them will be warned or something... i dont know... whats your thoughts?

i agree. i came across amazing oil paintings of 'Infamous' and the user seems new with no newgrounds rep. also, another beautiful piece done by someone named 'noname', still with no newgrounds rep at all.

it's really hard to tell who's art is who's and i don't think it could ever get any easier. accepting the stolen art is even harder because you have to scout these people that may or may not deserve to submit to the portal...

stolen art and stolen flash submissions are much different to spot but this isn't lack of development of either portal. it's just integrity and honesty.

it's also hard to say, being very biased and all, but i believe there IS one way to fix this:

popular flash artists and popular artists on the art forums, having clearance from art mods/admins being the only ones to submit to the portal...at least for now. that way, the forums can test the reputation of an artist, or just being a popular flash artist already and then presenting your work.

too many scouters forget that people can post their art in the forums to show off and get feedback. 'giving someone a chance' doesn't mean give them scout privelages and art portal privelages. they can be redirected to the art forums until they get better at drawing with the feedback of online peers. scouting has already made it to the bottom tier of newgrounds reputations so over time the 'top tier' artists' work will be lost in all the scouted users who could have originally just posted in the art forums instead.

i think the admins should plug the art forums more

At 6/22/09 11:18 AM, KittyKat87 wrote: this forum to be flooded with retards begging to be scouted

i agree... as soon as the art portal opened up, so did the swarms or Nooblets charging to the BBS art fourm to ask to get scouted regardless of any rules...

At 6/22/09 11:21 AM, FullFistMaria wrote: but he wasnt unscouted and banned

indeed iv seen a few which seem to have passed through the net somehow...

(I just cant prove it)

this is one of the things that really gets to me... i see users put but brillant pieces but i know deep down they are stolen... i go check out their user page and they are like 12 to 14, level 2 to 8 and not really done anything for newgrounds... not saying they didnt but you get my drift...

Once caught stealing I think you should be banned from submitting to the art portal for good.

banned isnt going to do anything really... there will be more alt's and they will carry on where the other users account left off... i cant really see a way of stopping it really... they will find holes and work their way into it... i understand about adding the whisle system into it would be a good idea to stop spam whisling... how many mods are currently maintaning the art portal?...

At 6/22/09 11:30 AM, LegolaSS wrote:

Once caught stealing I think you should be banned from submitting to the art portal for good.

banned isnt going to do anything really... there will be more alt's and they will carry on where the other users account left off...

Yeah but its at least some sort of deterant.If these people have to make a new account every day theyll eventually give up.

At 6/22/09 11:33 AM, FullFistMaria wrote: Yeah but its at least some sort of deterant.If these people have to make a new account every day theyll eventually give up.

true... but take crebx for example... he swamps the flash portal with (action script) flashes and gets a small force to pass them... then changes it to adult content rated with (i hate newgrounds) or words to that effect to get turd of the week... and even on the art portal he is trying to do something similar... iv already flagged it as stolen and rated unfairly... but the thing i dont understand is why he hasnt been removed?... he keeps breaking the rules yet nothing happens... either he is been engored or they see it as pointless to remove him beacuse he will come back... :s

At 6/22/09 11:18 AM, KittyKat87 wrote: Am I the only one getting really, really annoyed by the fact that opening the Art Portal has also caused this forum to be flooded with retards begging to be scouted and/or asking stupid questions without reading the rules of the forum??

lol! I think we're all getting a bit annoyed! I haven't even seen this many locked threads in General! lol
They did update the Help/FAQ section though:

Q: How do I get scouted?

A: Do NOT ask to be scouted! Do not ask in the Forums or send the staff a Private Message about being scouted as these will only hurt your chances. Just submit good art and be patient, someone will find you! Every single person with art in the Art Portal has the ability to scout others, so there will be a lot of people with their eyes peeled for great submissions.

...not that anyone reads that! lol

At 6/22/09 11:40 AM, ReNaeNae wrote: A: Do NOT ask to be scouted! Do not ask in the Forums or send the staff a Private Message about being scouted as these will only hurt your chances.

iv already got a handfull of *please scout me (sad face)* requests... just engoring them.. >:3

At 6/22/09 11:40 AM, ReNaeNae wrote: a lot of people with their eyes peeled for great submissions.

And that's what I want to see when I go to the art portal. Masterpieces by newgrounds' best artists. not mediocre stuff. i'd rather just feast my eyes on good stuff for inspiration and techniques rather than having a judging system for this kinda thing because really, anyone could argue something's simplicity or badly drawn state to be a work of art

At 6/22/09 11:44 AM, Starogre wrote: anyone could argue something's simplicity or badly drawn state to be a work of art

Nail on the head there...

art is a strange and twisted subject... there is no wrong or right anwser... there is no perfect art to say... this is what we want... for example the first one posted (the note pad fire drawing) its in my eyes complete rubbish... where as many others would see it as fantastic artwork they would want on their walls... i see the art portal as a place where i can comment on people art to help them improve while feasting you eyes on some eye candy pictures now and again... also due to the face art is alot harder to track down stolen pictures unless you know where it came from will cause alot of problems... hopefully the system will slow down as the large amount of users find the art portal and submit stuff they have already dies out... who knows :S

look at conceptart.org. the drawings there are fantastic and you can tell time was put into them. they are for the most part, finished pieces, meaning, hand drawn, shaded/colored, in a good amount of detail. this is the kinda stuff i want to see in the art portal. not random designs you could make in 2 seconds. free-hand drawings in flash and photoshop instead of little doodles and designs.

they should rename it to the concept art portal because in reality, Concept Art and Flash Animation go hand in hand and they are two different subjects that tie together.

in animation and games you have Concept Artists and you have Animators. the people who create the ideas and the people who move them. the site is geared towards animation so that's what I would like to see. again, i don't want to see unfinished 'works in progress that the author admits will never be finished'. leave that to the forums

the audio portal IS different but every animation or game needs sound in some way...

At 6/22/09 12:04 PM, Starogre wrote: look at conceptart.org.

Yeah, but you have to take into account that conceptart.org has a much more mature user base. Most have some form of training. A lot of them are professional artists. Newgrounds is a bunch of 13-21 year old kids that think their "mario on lined notebook paper" sketch is the greatest thing ever.

It is nice to see that there are a lot of new accounts springing up. Can't say how many are mariorawks34567's alt stealing from deviantart ... but some have to be legit, and that's great for this site and our tiny little art community! :D

Damn.. 18 out of 40 threads on page 1 are locked.. And something like that on page 2. That's insane. IT'S THE PORTAL FLU!

At 6/22/09 12:24 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:

At 6/22/09 12:04 PM, Starogre wrote: look at conceptart.org.

Yeah, but you have to take into account that conceptart.org has a much more mature user base.

Oh yeah of course....just using it as something to look up to. I just want to be able to see the best of the best without searching through 1000 marios on lined paper lol. I suppose over time as the community grows, the scoring system will be more legit and start to shape the pyramid of of quality work, similar to the flash portal. people will start viewing the submissions by score and voting down on overrated things (maybe, somewhat, a little bit).

Time is our best bet i guess.

I'm still skeptical though about what actually deserves a 3 or a 4 or a 5 because SOOOOOOO many people have been reviewing 10s for everything

When we have so much immature users (and by this I mean even those bastards who could be considered adult... but do not act their age), it's certain we have problems, especially with a new, sexy thing, like this Art Portal here. It is the center of the focus right now on NG (mostly), so it attracts a lot of nolifes. Luckily, most of them will give up once all the major fuzz is over. The most determined aholes will, without a doubt, not give up, but we just have to fight them ^^

I'm still skeptical though about what actually deserves a 3 or a 4 or a 5 because SOOOOOOO many people have been reviewing 10s for everything

There I agree, it's either "0-3 this sucks" or "9-10 it's amazing" . . .
I'd like to hear some more... hm, thoughtful comments!