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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 12:25:03 Reply

At 11/15/10 10:29 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Jonny's Guide to Gut Feelings
1) Check the user's past post history and art portal submissions
2) Hit up the image with TinEye
3) Search an adequate title on Deviant Art
4) Search an adequate title on google

Wow you guys do all that? We mods just throw darts at the wall at it either lands on delete or don't delete.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 13:36:05 Reply

At 11/15/10 10:29 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:
Jonny's Guide to Gut Feelings
1) Check the user's past post history and art portal submissions
2) Hit up the image with TinEye
3) Search an adequate title on Deviant Art
4) Search an adequate title on google
Each of these steps are to be done in succession if one fails to give results.
That being said, a lot of the time art thieves don't even change the title of the stolen piece, which makes it incredibly easy to find the original when searching places like DA.

If you guys need more tools for finding art thieves ('cause it makes my job easier when you guys do it), some time ago I came across another reverse image search, kind of like TinEye, but it searches through anime picture databases: http://iqdb.org/ sometimes it finds stuff TinEye doesn't.

However, it would be most appreciated if, when you guys find something or suspect someone of posting stolen/traced work in the forum you contact ReNaeNae, TurkeyOnAStick or me instead of posting about it in the thread, because, y'all can make a big mess out of nothing and it can scare away potential members.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 13:43:49 Reply

At 11/16/10 01:36 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: However, it would be most appreciated if, when you guys find something or suspect someone of posting stolen/traced work in the forum you contact ReNaeNae, TurkeyOnAStick or me instead of posting about it in the thread, because, y'all can make a big mess out of nothing and it can scare away potential members.

Amen to that!! Also, if it's posted in the portal, you can contact any Art Mod!

Looks like there will be a Holiday Card Exchange after all! Yay! :D

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:06:21 Reply

At 11/16/10 01:43 PM, ReNaeNae wrote: Looks like there will be a Holiday Card Exchange after all! Yay! :D

as much as i would love to renaenae... some of us already have piles of collab work to be getting on with :P... *let alone tankwomen to paint*...


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:08:00 Reply

M-m-m-m-mod combo!

At 11/16/10 01:36 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: http://iqdb.org/ sometimes it finds stuff TinEye doesn't.

Pro-tip: don't use this image search at work. The NSFW pics it pulls up are just bizarre.

However, it would be most appreciated if, when you guys find something or suspect someone of posting stolen/traced work in the forum you contact ReNaeNae, TurkeyOnAStick or me instead of posting about it in the thread, because, y'all can make a big mess out of nothing and it can scare away potential members.

Yeah, I agree. I was gonna say something about this thread, but you pretty much closed the case, and Knocturne covered the case in concrete.

I'm being presumptious, but I guess you guys have a copy of GIMP, or just use TinEye. It only takes about 2-3 mins to check if somebody's traced an image by overlaying the copy over the original.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:09:11 Reply

At 11/16/10 02:06 PM, LegolaSS wrote: bla bla bla imma moron bla bla bla
At 11/16/10 02:08 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: M-m-m-m-mod combo!

Oh screw you Legoland >:(


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:15:58 Reply

At 11/16/10 01:43 PM, ReNaeNae wrote: Looks like there will be a Holiday Card Exchange after all! Yay! :D

general forum....*dun dun duuuun* as much as i love em, im not gunna even think about it

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:41:31 Reply

hey guys... one question, can you save threads here?

because that would be a great thing to have haha!


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:45:51 Reply

At 11/16/10 02:41 PM, Kosuk wrote: hey guys... one question, can you save threads here?

what do you mean save?... you can alway have a hyperlink saved somewhere you know... they never get deleted unless A) stupid thread in the first place or B) thread host asks for it to be deleted...

Oh screw you Legoland >:(

You know... if i was a mod... you would have a combo of FIVE different mods... :P


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:48:03 Reply

At 11/16/10 02:45 PM, LegolaSS wrote:
You know... if i was a mod... you would have a combo of FIVE different mods... :P

Maybe you could be an icon mod. You know; extra work and none of the priveledge or recognition!


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:49:12 Reply

At 11/16/10 02:48 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: Maybe you could be an icon mod. You know; extra work and none of the priveledge or recognition!

Im already a flash mod.. and you already have a small army of icon mods... :P


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 14:52:06 Reply

At 11/16/10 02:48 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote:
At 11/16/10 02:45 PM, LegolaSS wrote:
You know... if i was a mod... you would have a combo of FIVE different mods... :P
Maybe you could be an icon mod. You know; extra work and none of the priveledge or recognition or piss aura or powers!

oh poo everyone knows i havent done any extra work :P

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 15:19:01 Reply

oh yeh i just could bookmark it...! hahaha!!

well then thank you Lego!
can i call you lego?

OH yeah! hey I have added a pic in my thread and in the critique thread, if you poeple could go there and give some advice, it would be great!
I hope im not breaking any rules asking that?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 15:20:59 Reply

At 11/16/10 03:19 PM, Kosuk wrote: well then thank you Lego!
can i call you lego?

Np... and i dont mind... you just saw what toasty called me :P


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 15:37:34 Reply

At 11/16/10 03:20 PM, LegolaSS wrote:
At 11/16/10 03:19 PM, Kosuk wrote: well then thank you Lego!
can i call you lego?
Np... and i dont mind... you just saw what toasty called me :P

haha toasty? well then, for now on, you will be called lego from me!


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 15:55:53 Reply

I want to know what everyone really prefers. I've never done a successful CG color rendering in my drawings and probably never will unless I get a tablet to draw with. Scanning my stuff then trying to render the color never seems to work well for some reason. So I end up coloring with colored pencils. Does it take away from the look to use colored pencils or does it give it something some CG rendered art doesn't have? (Yes I made a thread for this but was directed here)

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 16:04:58 Reply

It's all preferences really, but something digital does really well is neatness.
Bold, solid colors that you just can't really get from traditional.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 16:15:19 Reply

I find it really hard to get the pencil crayons to colour the want I want. They always end up too sketchy or smudgy.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 16:16:16 Reply

At 11/16/10 04:04 PM, M-Vero wrote: It's all preferences really, but something digital does really well is neatness.
Bold, solid colors that you just can't really get from traditional.

Well with colored pencils, if you press down hard enough you can get good color saturation/bold color. But you tend to use up your colored pencils quickly doing this. I've been doing the pressing down hard thing for years and I go through a package of colored pencils every month. >.<

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 18:41:14 Reply

There are a lot of differences between traditional and digital media.
-Digital media is usually neater.
-Digital colors are usually bolder and smoother. (Even if you can get a bold color out of a colored pencil, it has a texture to it that, while sometimes nice isn't always desirable.)
-Traditional Media can achieve aesthetics difficult for digital media to duplicate. For instance, watercolors are a form of paint that can only be done properly traditionally, and pencil and physical textures cannot be entirely duplicated digitally.
-The methods are very different, of course.

It's all a matter of preference. What many seem to fail to realize is that there is no reason in the world that people can't dabble in both forms, and since each has its advantages, why argue which is better?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 18:58:46 Reply

tried the game factory 2, instant dislike of it and everything in it, its not really a program to make real games, but more those minigames people make in a day for little kids, guess whos gunna learn actionscript :P

im learning C# at college so cant be too different

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 19:58:02 Reply

At 11/16/10 06:41 PM, Luxembourg wrote: There are a lot of differences between traditional and digital media.
-Digital media is usually neater.
-Digital colors are usually bolder and smoother. (Even if you can get a bold color out of a colored pencil, it has a texture to it that, while sometimes nice isn't always desirable.)
-Traditional Media can achieve aesthetics difficult for digital media to duplicate. For instance, watercolors are a form of paint that can only be done properly traditionally, and pencil and physical textures cannot be entirely duplicated digitally.
-The methods are very different, of course.

It's all a matter of preference. What many seem to fail to realize is that there is no reason in the world that people can't dabble in both forms, and since each has its advantages, why argue which is better?

The main reason I ask is because I've had people complain that I use colored pencils instead of CG rendering. It just annoys me that people cannot appreciate the traditional way of art anymore. :/ I'm too poor for the equipment required for CG rendering(tablet).

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 20:02:51 Reply

if using traditional media,make sure you duplicate something realistic.textures usually look best like that...i notice you tend to make "toon" esque things,which is great,but not in colored pencil...in my opinion


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 20:09:04 Reply

At 11/16/10 07:58 PM, Abbyka wrote:

The main reason I ask is because I've had people complain that I use colored pencils instead of CG rendering. It just annoys me that people cannot appreciate the traditional way of art anymore. :/ I'm too poor for the equipment required for CG rendering(tablet).

I think that's partially the manner in which you use the colored pencils. While usually pretty neat and well done, there are a couple of places that it doesn't look nearly as neat as most of the people browsing the art portal are used to seeing. ie: on the zombies, the blood is really sloppy looking.
It's not that people can't appreciate the traditional means; most of my pieces are straight monochrome pencil or pen and I never get any complaints.
And a tablet isn't allthat expensive. Check out the Wacom Bamboo Pen. If you can't afford $70 at the moment, that's perfectly fine, but it's a very worthwhile investment and it's something I'd recommend saving up for.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 20:14:01 Reply

At 11/16/10 08:02 PM, gween123 wrote: if using traditional media,make sure you duplicate something realistic.textures usually look best like that...i notice you tend to make "toon" esque things,which is great,but not in colored pencil...in my opinion

I'd also like to point out that gween has a very good point. I don't agree that pencils should only be used for realistic things (they can be great for stylistic works, too), but cartoons are usually very neat in style and are simply better suited to presentation through digital graphics.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 20:34:12 Reply

At 11/16/10 08:09 PM, Luxembourg wrote:
At 11/16/10 07:58 PM, Abbyka wrote:

The main reason I ask is because I've had people complain that I use colored pencils instead of CG rendering. It just annoys me that people cannot appreciate the traditional way of art anymore. :/ I'm too poor for the equipment required for CG rendering(tablet).
I think that's partially the manner in which you use the colored pencils. While usually pretty neat and well done, there are a couple of places that it doesn't look nearly as neat as most of the people browsing the art portal are used to seeing. ie: on the zombies, the blood is really sloppy looking.
It's not that people can't appreciate the traditional means; most of my pieces are straight monochrome pencil or pen and I never get any complaints.
And a tablet isn't allthat expensive. Check out the Wacom Bamboo Pen. If you can't afford $70 at the moment, that's perfectly fine, but it's a very worthwhile investment and it's something I'd recommend saving up for.

YEah $70 is too much for us right now. We'll be lucky if the kids even get x-mas gifts this year.

My colored pencil style is admittedly sloppy, I know. I'm shocked I can even draw a straight line anymore because I've got an old shoulder injury as well as a pinched nerve in my elbow. Years ago they told me it might freeze up and I might not be able to draw again. D: After a while of doing the pressing down thing my arm starts to hurt and I get lazy. The blood is usually the LAST thing I do, so that's always the worst.

Thank you for the link though, I'm going to save it for when and if we can afford it. While I do like my colored pencils I need to move on to the CG because of the arm thing. I'm just worried I'll suck at it, I'm not very tech savvy. D:

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-16 20:41:16 Reply

Good luck, Abby. Things sound a bit tough, and I hope you can eventually move into the digital stuff.
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On a different subject, my version of Corel painter Essentials is no longer functional due to some error I think I caused, and I can't reinstall it because my disc is in North Carolina.
I think I'm going to go ahead and upgrade to the full version, expensive though it may be. I've used up a trial version and I have to admit that I love it. They've got a deal on their site: a midsize Intuous bundled with a full version of Corel Painter 11 for $429. I would be asking for this as a Christmas gift, and I'd like to know if you guys think it's a good deal or not.


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At 11/16/10 08:41 PM, Luxembourg wrote: Good luck, Abby. Things sound a bit tough, and I hope you can eventually move into the digital stuff.
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On a different subject, my version of Corel painter Essentials is no longer functional due to some error I think I caused, and I can't reinstall it because my disc is in North Carolina.
I think I'm going to go ahead and upgrade to the full version, expensive though it may be. I've used up a trial version and I have to admit that I love it. They've got a deal on their site: a midsize Intuous bundled with a full version of Corel Painter 11 for $429. I would be asking for this as a Christmas gift, and I'd like to know if you guys think it's a good deal or not.

Thanks. I'll make sure to ask advice once I get started!

And $429? Oh my penny pinching heart, it's spazzing out! LOL Personally I'd never spend that much on something, but my husband usually knows how to find these kind of things for free. <.< How much is it normally? If you're saving at least $100 I'd jump on it immediately without hesitation.

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At 11/16/10 08:47 PM, Abbyka wrote:

Thanks. I'll make sure to ask advice once I get started!

And $429? Oh my penny pinching heart, it's spazzing out! LOL Personally I'd never spend that much on something, but my husband usually knows how to find these kind of things for free. <.< How much is it normally? If you're saving at least $100 I'd jump on it immediately without hesitation.

It is a lot, but this is a professional level tablet and professional level software we're talking about. If I had this, I'd be set for a long time. Considering the fact that I really intend to pursue visual arts- perhaps as a college major, if I can reach a good enough point by the time I really need to consider schools- I think it's a good investment. I don't ask my parents for much, but this is something I think would do me well and I know we can afford it.
Under normal circumstances, the tablet is $350 and the software is $300. I'm saving a little more than $300.


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At 11/16/10 08:54 PM, Luxembourg wrote: I'm saving a little more than $300.

$200, I mean. Typo.


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