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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 20:05:57 Reply

At 11/11/10 07:48 PM, Felis wrote: One would think that going on a field trip to an art museum would inspire some sort of artistic/creative feelings.

It's called modern art, and it's fucking stupid.
If you ever have the chance, check out the MoMA (Museum of Modern Art) in New York,
It's full of stuff like that, and it's fucking stupid.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 20:43:13 Reply

At 11/11/10 08:05 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:
It's called modern art, and it's fucking stupid.
If you ever have the chance, check out the MoMA (Museum of Modern Art) in New York,
It's full of stuff like that, and it's fucking stupid.

I don't mean this to sound like an attack, if it does, I apologize.

Is that a blanket statement against Modern Art? I am far from an expert or scholar of artistic movements but Minamalism =/= Modern Art.

I love MoMA, not everything they display lights my fire, but I am much more inspired by Modern through contemporary art than I ever was with what came before. The period of Modern Art forward just makes my mind explode with imagination and creativity; ANYTHING is possible now. If it wasn't for the groundbreaking work done by modernists, opening up art to include so much more than what we previously thought of as art I hate to think where we would be artwise.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 20:47:22 Reply

At 11/11/10 08:43 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: Is that a blanket statement against Modern Art? I am far from an expert or scholar of artistic movements but Minamalism =/= Modern Art.

Possibly, but that's because when I hear modern art I think of shit like 3 mirrors forming a corner with seashells in the corner, or a plain blue square, or a block of wood with a styrofoam cup nailed to it. In that sense, I think it's stupid and doesn't deserve to be even remotely as highly regarded as they are.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 20:53:59 Reply

Okay, so I just went to the MoMA website. Not impressed. Its not that I don't like modern art its just that I find a lot of it just to be splatters all over a canvas. There is this one statue on there that is just two right angles, and another one that appears to be plastic and bedsheets, I'm just not impressed with it.
Its cool when it is just like an explosion of color but when it is stuff like a crap glob of clay or a canvas spray painted black, it's just not art.
Modern architecture though, that is a different story, it is amazing and the things that can be possible with theses structures is just unbelievable.
I think this is in Japan. And here is a convention center in Tokyo.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 21:29:36 Reply

I'm gonna stick up for Modern Art here a little.

1) Duchamp and his ilk what most people consider "bullshit" art. IE Hanging toilets, and blank canvases, and even indicating empty space as art.

Yes on some level it is complete bullshit. I'm personally unmoved by this particular vein of art it and think it spawns a lot of lazy thinking. But I would defend to the death the idea it forwards. No one can say what is or isn't art. What has or hasn't got value. These guys are the punk rock of the art world. Maybe that's not right. They are the first industrial musicians of the art world. They are Throbbing Gristle. Without their expansion of the conception of art other artists wouldn't be freed to play around in ways you or I might consider more legitimate. Without their noise we wouldn't have Nine Inch Nails, Aphex Twin, or Massive Attack. If you'll go with that comparison. And even if you can't find the value in what they produced, they deserve your gratitude for expanding the vocabulary with which you express yourself.

Also, dismissing anything is bad for your brain. When you look at art that is by it's nature unintelligible you are forced to think in new ways. Opening yourself up to the possibility that the valueless has value keeps you from stagnating. If you as an artist want to be able to show the world a new idea. You have to be open to them first. If that means you look foolish or pretentious then so be it. Better to look foolish than to actually be a close minded idiot. If that means you start understanding something that used to disgust you and your peers. Good. Then you won't ever be afraid of looking.

2) Robert Motherwell, Mark Rothko, Fancis Bacon, Picasso, Louise Borgeous, etc. I love these guys. If you dismiss them as a group or as individuals you might miss out on something you really love. Something that excites you. All because you've closed your mind.

3) Non-representational art is fucking hard. If you don't think so give it a try. Try to find a new way to make an image that doesn't rely on your interpretation of something real or imagined. It's pure composition, and the shit's hard to do well. I personally suck at it.

CHALLENGE

Find a non-representational artist you enjoy. Or try your hand at finding a new way to make art in a non-representational way. You might get a new appreciation for it.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 21:31:53 Reply

I actually don't mind Modern Art - people expressing creativity in the most unusual ways that they can think of, but no, it doesn't belong on the Art Portal. All the same, it really is an enjoyable experience to stroll about in the air-conditioning observing different art forms, and I wouldn't mind that (although I wouldn't expect to be inspired by it - creativity and respect =/= inspiration and admiration).

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 22:24:14 Reply

Completely off topic here, but there is a new Jonny face. It's the polar opposite of Aweso Jonny.
I call it "Creepy Jonny"

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 22:51:13 Reply

At 11/11/10 10:24 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Completely off topic here, but there is a new Jonny face. It's the polar opposite of Aweso Jonny.
I call it "Creepy Jonny"

Speaking of Art and creepy segues, The return of PMotW!!
Yes it's a day early. And yes it's a shameless plug.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-11 23:24:11 Reply

Since we keep bouncing off topic. Am I the only on who lol'd really, really hard at the return of this stupidity?
Its probably just me though considering my last run in with him


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 04:46:26 Reply

At 11/11/10 08:53 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: Okay, so I just went to the MoMA website. Not impressed. Its not that I don't like modern art its just that I find a lot of it just to be splatters all over a canvas. There is this one statue on there that is just two right angles, and another one that appears to be plastic and bedsheets, I'm just not impressed with it. Its cool when it is just like an explosion of color but when it is stuff like a crap glob of clay or a canvas spray painted black, it's just not art.

A; you are to lazy to actually take the effort to appreciate art for anything deeper than simple esthetics
B: who are you to decide what is or isnt art.
(I am on the lines of BMK and Occluded; I think you are underappreciating any piece of art if you just look at the esthetic aspect, even traditional stuff)

Modern architecture though, that is a different story, it is amazing and the things that can be possible with theses structures is just unbelievable.
I think this is in Japan. And here is a convention center in Tokyo.

Dont particularly like those two, but I love practically everything by Rem Koolhaas and Daniel Libeskind


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 05:34:41 Reply

At 11/11/10 11:24 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Since we keep bouncing off topic. Am I the only on who lol'd really, really hard at the return of this stupidity?

I don't remember the first appearance of that but that guys an idiot. "My sonic hentai character has completely perfect proportions cos I measured them using a HUMAN anatomy reference!"

some ppl just don't get it
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 06:06:02 Reply

Trolling in DA forums is awesome!

SO KAWAII DESU!!! LOLOLOLOLOOLOL

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 06:44:58 Reply

At 11/12/10 06:06 AM, Fifty-50 wrote: Trolling in DA forums is awesome!
SO KAWAII DESU!!! LOLOLOLOLOOLOL

I dunno. At first I would have said that dA is the place where you shunbt all your idiotic artists, but I've spent some time there (mainly avoiding every bandwagon of generic there (anime and the like)) and I have to say there are a fair few artists who just come up with the most beautiful stuff and pose the most intelligent and fun to exercise arguments.

But yeah, most are stupid.

As for the Evil Jonny pic, NEGA-JONNY.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 07:01:03 Reply

Yeah, DA has a lot of talent too. I don't hate it to the extent I become a troll. But I do hate the majority of dumb people there.

Hey, they're the ones who asked for a cute face. I drew them one.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 07:41:49 Reply

rtil's Lighthouse Girl Film Contest Shiz

At 11/12/10 07:01 AM, Fifty-50 wrote: Yeah, DA has a lot of talent too. But I do hate the majority of dumb people there.

There is heaps of talent at dA but the amount of crap out weighs the talent. On this one photo I said "the light doesn't work at all" and he raged and said I was jealous of his artistic abilities and for some reason the fact that no one else said the light was bad made my comment/opinion null. I lol'd.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 08:03:37 Reply

Modern art.

All I got to say about it are angry swear words of the worst kind. Fuck you, Modern art. Fuckiddy fuck fucker sonofabitch twathole arschloch. You suck. You are lame. You are a twat of the worst kind.
Calling yourself "modern" and thus taking away the opportunity for future generations to use the word is arrogance and bastardness beyond comprehension. For that, I hate you, "Modern" art.

As for other aspects, I feel quite meh. Some might like it, but I look at it with apathy and move on.

On a side note - goddamnit Mabelma, don't spam others with your blog. You've posted the link enough for everyone to see and the lack of interest should have been clear already.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 08:11:29 Reply

I don't enjoy modern art. I can appreciate most of it, but i remember once, there was an exhibit here, and a piece was literally a line across a piece of notebook paper. I can't appreciate that.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 08:11:41 Reply

A; you are to lazy to actually take the effort to appreciate art for anything deeper than simple esthetics
B: who are you to decide what is or isnt art.
(I am on the lines of BMK and Occluded; I think you are underappreciating any piece of art if you just look at the esthetic aspect, even traditional stuff)
Dont particularly like those two, but I love practically everything by Rem Koolhaas and Daniel Libeskind

I do take the effort to appreciate art, hell I've looked at paintings for at least 30 minutes whenever I go to an art museum, its just that I find some of it hard to interpret, such as this.
On the subject of modern architecture, we still haven't brought up the god of modern architecture.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 09:04:03 Reply

You know, what I see as the problem here is that you people are clumping things together too much, and in doing so are letting the "bad" ruin the "good."
Just because all these things have "modern" slapped onto them doesn't mean they all have the same intent, purpose, effort, or idea behind them. Yes, a line across a piece of notebook paper has an element of BS to it, but does that mean you should hate on the whole genre because of that one group of silly work? No. What you're forgetting is that "modern art" is an extremely broad genre of art and contains a lot of different types. I don't think you should get your panties in a bunch over what a few artists do in Modern Art, because by shoving off that whole genre, you're also shoving off great artists like Vincent Van Gogh, Max Ernst, and Gustav Klimt.
And Re2Deemer, you forget one thing: Modern art isn't modern. The movement began in the 1860s, and it's changed as time moves on. It's a moldable genre, and the majority of things that fit into it also fit into other genres. Hell, entire other genres fit into modern art. Impressionism, Cubism, Surrealism, Pop Art, and tons of others are all considered "Modern Art."

I side with Occluded where the topic of interpretation of the more ambiguous works is involved.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 09:51:37 Reply

wow I did not know that! good to learn this kind of stuff...
thats why i like this forum so much


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 10:12:59 Reply

At 11/12/10 08:03 AM, Re2deemer wrote: Modern art.

All I got to say about it are angry swear words of the worst kind. Fuck you, Modern art. Fuckiddy fuck fucker sonofabitch twathole arschloch. You suck. You are lame. You are a twat of the worst kind.
Calling yourself "modern" and thus taking away the opportunity for future generations to use the word is arrogance and bastardness beyond comprehension. For that, I hate you, "Modern" art.

A thesaurus.

And people don't label themselves. You ever try to give yourself a nickname? Here I'll help you calm down. How about the word 'contemporary'?

As for other aspects, I feel quite meh. Some might like it, but I look at it with apathy and move on.

The perfect summation to this idiotic rant. This kind of dismissal will keep you ignorant. There's no virtue in relying on not trying to understand.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 10:13:13 Reply

At 11/12/10 05:34 AM, CloudEater wrote:
At 11/11/10 11:24 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Since we keep bouncing off topic. Am I the only on who lol'd really, really hard at the return of this stupidity?

Here you go Cloudy, it's kind of easy to see why I remember him so easily

I don't remember the first appearance of that but that guys an idiot. "My sonic hentai character has completely perfect proportions cos I measured them using a HUMAN anatomy reference!"

I found it more amusing that he says he used the line tool to measure it. Sure its an interesting idea regardless of how ignorant it makes him sound because of the major flaw that the line tool lacks the ability to measure depth


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 10:25:15 Reply

At 11/12/10 10:13 AM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 11/12/10 05:34 AM, CloudEater wrote:
At 11/11/10 11:24 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Since we keep bouncing off topic. Am I the only on who lol'd really, really hard at the return of this stupidity?
Here you go Cloudy, it's kind of easy to see why I remember him so easily

an elephant never forgets, at least you showed SOME restraint and didnt post in the thread

kashi :(
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 10:51:07 Reply

At 11/12/10 10:25 AM, Ashman wrote: an elephant never forgets, at least you showed SOME restraint and didnt post in the thread

:P

kashi :(

Yeah Kashi What up with that!

Just Playin

ok.... back to the conversation over modern art :3

I'm not participating... just reading :D

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 10:51:43 Reply

At 11/12/10 10:13 AM, Kinsei01 wrote: At 11/12/10 05:34 AM, CloudEater wrote: easily
I don't remember the first appearance of that but that guys an idiot. "My sonic hentai character has completely perfect proportions cos I measured them using a HUMAN anatomy reference!"
I found it more amusing that he says he used the line tool to measure it. Sure its an interesting idea regardless of how ignorant it makes him sound because of the major flaw that the line tool lacks the ability to measure depth

lol Yea he doesn't seem too intelligent, also I believe I have seen this thread before. He posts his shitty pics asks for crit and advice then makes up some bullshit to try and prove all helpful comments wrong... it makes me think that he's not being serious. If he is then I'm gonna set his house on fire or something...

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 16:54:27 Reply

Just would like to say congrats to lintire and peglay on getting honourable mentions in the halloween art contest, as well as walking away $20 in store credit.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 16:59:58 Reply

At 11/12/10 04:54 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Just would like to say congrats to lintire and peglay on getting honourable mentions in the halloween art contest, as well as walking away $20 in store credit.

and congrats test-object on 3rd and jagundudo on 2nd, also congrats jobertson and kuoke on honorable mentions

dont forget other art forumers jonny
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-12 21:36:09 Reply

I is working on some human figure drawings! I am about to finish one and I will need some critiquing when it is done. Right now it looks better from my David drawing. ...God what an awful picture I did.

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At 11/12/10 04:54 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Just would like to say congrats to lintire and peglay on getting honourable mentions in the halloween art contest, as well as walking away $20 in store credit.

Say what? Mentions? The fuck did this happen?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-11-13 00:46:45 Reply

Can I post a picture in here to be critiqued?