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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 17:07:51 Reply

At 10/3/10 05:01 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:
At 10/3/10 04:43 PM, Glacier wrote: Going to be off the art forum for a few months kthxbai.
With what little posting you do anyways, it probably wont make much of a difference.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 17:10:15 Reply

At 10/3/10 05:07 PM, DemocracyFTW wrote:
At 10/3/10 05:01 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:
With what little posting you do anyways, it probably wont make much of a difference.
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Nah, I'm just being truthful. His last post was about a month ago.
Besides, I always give glacier grief for never being in the forum anyways.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 17:20:53 Reply

So, for those of you who have bought a Mystery Box, what amazing wonders waited for you inside?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 17:25:41 Reply

At 10/3/10 05:20 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: So, for those of you who have bought a Mystery Box, what amazing wonders waited for you inside?

I think very few has even got it yet.
I assume I'll get mine at around Wednesday/Thursday


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 20:04:09 Reply

At 10/3/10 05:20 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: So, for those of you who have bought a Mystery Box, what amazing wonders waited for you inside?

Where would the mystery be if we told you?

Also, what the hell is a mystery box?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 20:09:06 Reply

At 10/3/10 08:04 PM, DemocracyFTW wrote: Where would the mystery be if we told you?
Also, what the hell is a mystery box?

The mystery is that you don't know what you'll be getting because every box has something different.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 23:03:02 Reply

Love dat Box.

Anyway, just a little thought that I just had and I thought I'd share it with you guys.

On more then one occasion I've actually come across a piece of artwork that I absolutely love - usually just singular pics, nothing fancy, but I love the shading, lineart and whatnot. However, more often then not, they aren't signed which tends to lead to me never seeing any of that artist's work again - which more often then not is a total bummer.

This had led me to think that, while quite a few NGers sign their work, should most artist's sign their work? I'm not in the practice of it, and neither are quite a few people, but should they sign it if only for the odd person who comes along and actually likes it? Because I really likes these arts and I can't seem to find anymore of it - and I'm thinking that the more people who do it the more likely it is to catch on.

Just a thought, anyway. Wondered what you guys thought of it, for that odd great picture that comes across on linked sites and whatnot.

See signing, google more
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 23:20:53 Reply

lol

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-03 23:56:20 Reply

i really am sorry for double posting but this one is more serious.....ok how amazing is this? not only two legendary icons of comics but the artwork is fantastic.
btw spawn vs batman is pretty old news, i heard about it a while ago but ive been out of the comic loop for a while.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-04 05:50:12 Reply

At 10/3/10 11:03 PM, Lintire wrote: Anyway, just a little thought that I just had and I thought I'd share it with you guys.

I could go either way about signing, really. I never do it in my work (which is almost entirely basic sketches anyway so w/e) because I feel like it takes away from the image and don't really give a shit about the possibility of my work being misappropriated or uncredited, but I've also wanted to know who made such and such piece of artwork on the internet as well

it's probably best to be courteous to those who view your work by leaving a tiny signature on the corner of your more impressive pieces

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-04 15:33:43 Reply

Hate to change the subject on you guys but I was trolling my this site when I saw a story that caught my eye. It wasn't so much the story itself but the person from which it came from.

Some years ago I was playing World of Warcraft, doing our bi-weekly Zul'Aman bear-mount run. I was hoping I'd be lucky enough to win the rare mount. Halfway through I took a break to pee. To my surprise, there was a considerable amount of blood in my urine. I went back to my computer and finished the run before telling my dad and going to the hospital.
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Have anything to say QB?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-04 15:43:54 Reply

If you played wow up to level 80, you'd know that a raid is more important that your own health or safety.
Sacrificing one for the good of many.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-04 15:59:02 Reply

At 10/3/10 05:20 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: So, for those of you who have bought a Mystery Box, what amazing wonders waited for you inside?

There's a thread in general about it, more people might post what they go if you're interested.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-04 16:27:27 Reply

Love me, hate me. We all know you guys love this guys
http://mabelma.tumblr.com/post/124344614 0/the-runaway-artist-issue-14-jesse-pain ter

What's a mystery box? Where can I buy one? Is there any kind of way of knowing the possible treasures inside the box? I saw that in the thread both Ben and the first guy got eyeball baby and army men, is it possible I'll get one of those too?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-04 17:35:36 Reply

At 10/4/10 03:59 PM, Captain-Ben wrote:
At 10/3/10 05:20 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: So, for those of you who have bought a Mystery Box, what amazing wonders waited for you inside?
There's a thread in general about it, more people might post what they go if you're interested.

Those of us art regs who've bought them have planned to show off the contents of their boxes on stickam when they get them.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-04 17:46:03 Reply

At 10/4/10 03:59 PM, Captain-Ben wrote:
At 10/3/10 05:20 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: So, for those of you who have bought a Mystery Box, what amazing wonders waited for you inside?
There's a thread in general about it, more people might post what they go if you're interested.

Thats some pretty awesome shit! Not bad for $10 :D


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-07 13:34:59 Reply

I have a question.
How can i make an animated gif, i make an animated gif that works fine but when i upload it here it doesn't work, why??


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-07 14:54:46 Reply

At 10/7/10 01:34 PM, Peglay wrote: I have a question.
How can i make an animated gif, i make an animated gif that works fine but when i upload it here it doesn't work, why??

you cant have transparency.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-07 18:38:45 Reply

3hourDoublePostFTW!

So, Im going to Berlin for a few days in a week or so, and I was wondering if anyone can recommend any musea/sights in the Berlin Area?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-07 18:55:06 Reply

At 10/7/10 02:54 PM, J-qb wrote:
At 10/7/10 01:34 PM, Peglay wrote: I have a question.
How can i make an animated gif, i make an animated gif that works fine but when i upload it here it doesn't work, why??
you cant have transparency.

You can, although with an animated gif it won't work properly (Those bloody dots keep appearing, but it does retain effects of transparency) - more likely the problem you have is either that you haven't saved it properly (ie, in Photoshop Saving for Web and Devices instead of simply saving), or you've buggered up the animation itself. What program are you using to try and make your animated gifs?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-07 19:00:03 Reply

At 10/7/10 06:38 PM, J-qb wrote: So, Im going to Berlin for a few days in a week or so, and I was wondering if anyone can recommend any musea/sights in the Berlin Area?

Take me with you!!!

Das Klo Bar!! Ranked 8th of IBT's 13 of the Weirdest Bars in the World! Ahh! Good times!!! :D

There's also the Checkpoint Charlie Museum. Equally surreal, but in a sad and somber way. So go here first... then hit the Klo!

ooh hoho! I made a funny! ...klo means toilet :P
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-07 23:55:01 Reply

I just got home 30 minutes ago and my package from NG has arrived. I'm planning on opening it tomorrow on stickam.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 05:23:14 Reply

Andy Warhol

I've always been vaguely aware of Andy Warhol and his impact on art. I new the basics; Campbell Soup, Butcher Knivesand Marilyn Monroe. But I didn't really know anything beyond that. I thought he was ok, but incredibly over-rated. Things change.

Over the past month, i've found myself growing to appreciate his work more and more. I like the style of Warhol's work, but more importantly, I "love" the subject matter.

This print for instance, is basically a blow up of a dollar bill. Art critics of the time attacked the work, claiming it to be crass, clumsy and consumerist. I don't think it was any of those things. I think it was a dollar bill. People projected their own connotations and understandings onto it and it was that which disgusted them. I think this was entirely deliberate by Warhol. By presenting Americans with their own culture out-with it's proper context, they felt entirely free to attack it. Americans were berating the life and blood of their value systems obliviously. Keep in mind the time frame of Warhol's work: the tail end of McCarthyism - overtly sensationalist capitalism fuelled by fear of communism and you have quit an achievement.

I think Warhol's experimentation with other medium is generally less documented but equally noteworthy. Warhol has made some of the most infamous "art cinema" to date. He also made a considerable quantity, between 1963 and 1968, he made more than 60 films

A lot of these films are just seemingly absurd. One film for instance, depicted the facial expressions of a man receiving a blow job; that was it. The film was somewhat obviously called blowjob. Another of his films, Sleep, showed poet John Giorno sleeping for six hours. Empire was eight hours of footage of the Empire State Building in New York City at dusk. Another film, Eat, consists of a man eating a mushroom for 45 minutes.

However, he also made some remarkable inivations within cinema. His most popular and critically successful film was Chelsea Girls The film was highly innovative in that it consisted of two 16 mm-films being projected simultaneously, with two different stories being shown in tandem. From the projection booth, the sound would be raised for one film to elucidate that "story" while it was lowered for the other.

I was talking with the legendary (and incredibly friendly) sound engineering expert Norman Schwarts about Warhol a few days ago. Initially he dismissed Warhol's work as trivial and frivolous. A fair judgment perhaps. However, when I told Schwarts about the techniques that Warhol used and the craftsmanship that went into his work he became slightly less dismissive. By the end of the conversation he even seemed willing to acknowledge that perhaps Warhol had made some valuable contributions to the film industry.

I'm going to travel to Abu Dhabi this weekend to see some of Warhol's work currently being exhibited in a gallery.

Questions
1] What are your thoughts on Andy Warhol?
2] What effect (if any) do you think he has had within the art world?
3] Do you think there was any value in his subject matter?
4] To what extent do you think Warhol continues to influence society today? (think Lady GaGa and David Bowie)


nobody goes there anymore. its too popular.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 08:15:14 Reply

At 10/8/10 05:23 AM, WaterShake wrote: ..However, when I told Schwarts about the techniques that Warhol used and the craftsmanship that went into his work he became slightly less dismissive. By the end of the conversation he even seemed willing to acknowledge that perhaps Warhol had made some valuable contributions to the film industry.

This particular section strikes me as weird because you appear to value Warholl`s work for what it represents or for the reactions it provokes (and what it shows by doing so), but then you try to convince someone of the worth of his contributions by stressing the craftmanship and technique. That seems to me a dead contradiction.

This print for instance, is basically a blow up of a dollar bill. Art critics of the time attacked the work, claiming it to be crass, clumsy and consumerist. I don't think it was any of those things.

I think you misapprehend Warhol when you say the piece wasnt consumerist. While he might very well have aimed to get exactly the reactions you describe, I also think you should acknowledge Warhol`s embrace of consumerism (or perhaps hedonism); requoting from that wiki you linked: "Everything's plastic, but I love plastic". What I think you are doing is projecting your own thoughts/apprehensions of american society (in the 60s) not unlike "those silly oblivious americans".

Personally, while I value his influence on modern art and design, I dont particularly enjoy his work. I see the worth of Warholl not so much in his single pieces, but more in the turn in the art world he was a part of (and very possibly caused), Warhol was a representation of the 60s spirit that disregarded the old "rules", and the fact that he worked with various media and had a central role in his community made him the perfect man to embody that spirit in the art world. The image we have today of modern art stems quite sharply from Warhol`s work. And indeed the circle of artists he gathered around him in the factory have ensured that his influence has spread to a great many artists, and is and will be of importance today and tomorrow.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 10:01:14 Reply

At 10/8/10 08:15 AM, J-qb wrote:
At 10/8/10 05:23 AM, WaterShake wrote: ..However, when I told Schwarts about the techniques that Warhol used and the craftsmanship that went into his work he became slightly less dismissive. By the end of the conversation he even seemed willing to acknowledge that perhaps Warhol had made some valuable contributions to the film industry.
This particular section strikes me as weird because you appear to value Warholl`s work for what it represents or for the reactions it provokes (and what it shows by doing so), but then you try to convince someone of the worth of his contributions by stressing the craftmanship and technique. That seems to me a dead contradiction.

I don't think it's a contradiction at all. The values would have to be conflicting for it to be a contradiction, they're not. I appreciate Warhol's work both for the technique and it's subject matter. Although I do find the subject matter more interesting.

However, in the conversation I had with Schwarts, we were talking solely about Warhol's film career. I'd already expressed my thoughts on the subject matter of Warhol's films and the value that I think they held, but Schwarts rejected any of this, claiming that they were superficial. Thus, I decided to approach the conversation from a different angle, and talked about Warhol's technique.

Furthermore, I find the techniques he used in film more interesting than those he used in print.


This print for instance, is basically a blow up of a dollar bill. Art critics of the time attacked the work, claiming it to be crass, clumsy and consumerist. I don't think it was any of those things.
I think you misapprehend Warhol when you say the piece wasnt consumerist.

While he might very well have aimed to get exactly the reactions you describe, I also think you should acknowledge Warhol`s embrace of consumerism (or perhaps hedonism); requoting from that wiki you linked: "Everything's plastic, but I love plastic".
I think Warhol was more fixated with fame than fortune. He depicted famous objects we see in everyday life. I agree that Warhol's work and statements do seem to advocate consumerism on a basic level. But a dollar bill is a dollar bill is dollar bill.

Another interesting quote from Warhol's wiki:

"What's great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coca-Cola, Liz Taylor drinks Coca-Cola, and just think, you can drink Coca-Cola, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the cokes are the same and all the cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it"

I also think it's worht bearing in mind that Warhol was well known for "playing dumb" with media; in any conversation about Warhol. When questioned about his work he would say "it is what it is" or "yeah ok". I sometimes think that perhaps Warhol was more of a persona an actual person. After his death, immense and immersive accounts of his work were found within his personal journals. People were understandably confused, "why would he hide this from us?"

What I think you are doing is projecting your own thoughts/apprehensions of american society (in the 60s) not unlike "those silly oblivious americans".

I think it's relatively irrefutable that modern American culture is founded upon capitalism. The same is true for most developed nations now. Once money assumes power, it's hard to usurp. Americans are not unique in this respect, I don't think them "silly" or "oblivious". I talked about Americans because his work was most famous within America and I used the word "oblivious" because I think it adequately describes his critics of the time. Read into "Americans" as you will, I don't think the word has a negative value.

Personally, while I value his influence on modern art and design, I dont particularly enjoy his work. I see the worth of Warholl not so much in his single pieces, but more in the turn in the art world he was a part of (and very possibly caused), Warhol was a representation of the 60s spirit that disregarded the old "rules", and the fact that he worked with various media and had a central role in his community made him the perfect man to embody that spirit in the art world. The image we have today of modern art stems quite sharply from Warhol`s work. And indeed the circle of artists he gathered around him in the factory have ensured that his influence has spread to a great many artists, and is and will be of importance today and tomorrow.

I agree with this in-toto. I think the culture of Warhol was equally if not more so influential than his actual work. If Warhol's work were to be produced today, in the current art world. I don't think the impact would have been nearly as dramatic or controversial.


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My mystery box is the Taiwan package.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 21:48:41 Reply

Hey guys! May I ask what you are discussing? I'm too lazy reading through your long posts.

BTW, I got a Front Page! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 21:55:50 Reply

At 10/8/10 09:48 PM, Fifty-50 wrote: Hey guys! May I ask what you are discussing? I'm too lazy reading through your long posts.
BTW, I got a Front Page! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

congrats! it looks awesome!
also yeah, @ above people: tl;dr.

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At 10/8/10 09:55 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: congrats! it looks awesome!
also yeah, @ above people: tl;dr.

Thanks Kashi! Is the forum always so serious these days?


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At 10/8/10 02:33 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: My mystery box is the Taiwan package.

I gots yer Taiwan package right here buddy! *clutches crotch, pelvic thrusts*


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