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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 26th, 2010 @ 10:29 PM Reply

At 9/26/10 07:42 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: Yeah... check this shit out (NSFW).

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 26th, 2010 @ 10:32 PM Reply

At 9/26/10 10:27 PM, ornery wrote: See I'm actually OK with that type of performance art. Its not even that shocking honestly (to me at least). She has a purpose and a goal, there is actual work thrown into it and its a performance. Is it art? In the same way that a play is art I would say yes. Its just a crazier more improvised weird play of sorts.

oh wow. i thought you were going to rant again.
this proves that nothing can be worse than a girl shoving black spaghettios up her vag.

i really hope nothing is.
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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 26th, 2010 @ 10:33 PM Reply

At 9/26/10 10:27 PM, ornery wrote: See I'm actually OK with that type of performance art. Its not even that shocking honestly (to me at least). She has a purpose and a goal, there is actual work thrown into it and its a performance. Is it art? In the same way that a play is art I would say yes. Its just a crazier more improvised weird play of sorts.

Your opinion on the matter does make sense, and I actually thought about it some after I posted; she is trying to express something here, (even if it is completely ridiculous and even if it is something not many really want to see expressed), she does inspire (usually ugly) emotion, and she does put effort into it, so it could very well be considered art.

That said, it's still certainly insanity. Not my cup of tea.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 26th, 2010 @ 10:50 PM Reply

At 9/26/10 10:33 PM, Luxembourg wrote:
Your opinion on the matter does make sense, and I actually thought about it some after I posted; she is trying to express something here, (even if it is completely ridiculous and even if it is something not many really want to see expressed), she does inspire (usually ugly) emotion, and she does put effort into it, so it could very well be considered art.

That said, it's still certainly insanity. Not my cup of tea.

Considered art? yes, but this is what makes the arts look bad to me; when people try to validate bullshit like this by saying "well, its art". It changes how people look at artists, from talented painters and writers to edgy people trying to be "new" and "different". It just annoys me, that this can be considered (technically) art.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 26th, 2010 @ 10:56 PM Reply

Here are my issues (copy-pasted from what i wrote in stickam)

"she's a headstrong, arrogant bitch
who wants to incite controversy
and wants to make people feel uncomfortable
yet when people have an issue with it, she gets all defensive and rebukes them
cursing like a foul mouthed whore
no not realy that shocking in perspective
but her attitude just pisses me off"

Seriously though, she's like when a new artist comes into the forum and talks about how their god's artistic gift to man and then whenever someone offers criticism, they get all pissy and rant about how the critic is a fucking moron and doesn't know anything.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 26th, 2010 @ 11:09 PM Reply

"Now that I know that people are so easily shocked...." this line alone is the proof that she's lying. Nah she did not know that running around naked and molesting the crowd is shocking them. Ooooh these ignorant people who are shocked by that.

She enjoys the attention, that's about it. Most times modern art is fucked up anyway, everybody wants to be more original than those before him, instead of refining anything that has been done before. It's all just rushed.

That's called art unfortunately.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 26th, 2010 @ 11:38 PM Reply

Well, if her motivation is to inspire emotion of any kind, then call it art, by the same logic could I eat children in public and call it art? I'm pretty sure that these "artists" are just grabbing a shock factor, trying to gain acceptance and whatnot in the art community.

It's a pretty piss-poor example of art, but I'm going to go ahead and call it art anyway. They're trying to get through to the audience, if only in a half-baked manner. Not the sort of thing I'd recommend, though.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 04:57 AM Reply

At 9/26/10 11:09 PM, Luwano wrote: Most times modern art is fucked up anyway, everybody wants to be more original than those before him, instead of refining anything that has been done before. It's all just rushed.

Whoa there man.... thats a bit extreme dont ya think?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 05:25 AM Reply

At 9/26/10 07:42 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote:
Yeah... check this shit out (NSFW).

I dont rly like performance art, i dont even get why they call it art. Like, this one dude burned a flag and called it art, and burning national symbols is a felony so he got thrown in jail...


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 06:34 AM Reply

painting is tame; performance art can not only be beautiful, thought-provoking, etc. but it's also fantastic for generating attention--I shouldn't have to bring up examples of how provocative it can be

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 07:37 AM Reply

All I know is is that that probably isn't the preferred way to use spaghettio's.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 05:13 PM Reply

The Silver Scorpion - a disabled, muslim superhero.
Finally, some much needed original characters in our comic books.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 05:20 PM Reply

At 9/27/10 04:57 AM, J-qb wrote:
At 9/26/10 11:09 PM, Luwano wrote: Most times modern art is fucked up anyway, everybody wants to be more original than those before him, instead of refining anything that has been done before. It's all just rushed.
Whoa there man.... thats a bit extreme dont ya think?

Well maybe it's a bit extreme, but trust me many modern "directors" don't even have a plan. I witnessed them making up "meanings" afterwards more than once. Then they pretend it was all done on purpose. That's fooling the audience for me. Same goes for shocking to cover that the there is no or just a lame flat subject. *rant ends*


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 05:22 PM Reply

At 9/27/10 05:13 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: The Silver Scorpion - a disabled, muslim superhero.
Finally, some much needed original characters in our comic books.

Interesting, y'know I never thought much about the faith of super heroes before, I kind of thought they were purposefully secular (so as not to alienate readers who might not hold that particular faith). I wonder how the Silver Scorpion, having his religion in the forefront (apparently), will play out.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 05:30 PM Reply

At 9/27/10 05:22 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote:
At 9/27/10 05:13 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: The Silver Scorpion - a disabled, muslim superhero.
Finally, some much needed original characters in our comic books.
Interesting, y'know I never thought much about the faith of super heroes before, I kind of thought they were purposefully secular (so as not to alienate readers who might not hold that particular faith). I wonder how the Silver Scorpion, having his religion in the forefront (apparently), will play out.

I can't see it doing too well in the States; there's some general dislike towards Islam here, and if the comic is very religious (it didn't really cover how big a part of this that is) people especially won't like it because it'll feel far-removed from their own beliefs and because many things that wear religion on their sleeves (no matter what religion) just end up being bad anyways. If it's only a part of the character, not the heart of the comic, it could work out.
It's not really meant solely for the states, though. It's being printed in Arabic in other countries as well.

I have to admit that it's a damned interesting idea for a superhero. Way to step out of the box, and way out of it at that.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 05:57 PM Reply

Muslim superhero has been done before and done better
The whole Muslim thing seems like it's slapped on, for the sake of being the first crippled Muslim superhero.
Honestly, I think he looks incredibly silly. That much chrome makes him look like an 80's hero reject stuck in an equally gaudy box. Seriously, imagine him flying around in that thing.
Go ahead, its hilarious.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 06:09 PM Reply

At 9/27/10 05:13 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: The Silver Scorpion - a disabled, muslim superhero.

Disabled superheroes? How about Professor X, Daredevil, Forge...? Muslim superheroes? A bit tricky, but there's X-Force's Dust, Authority's The Doctor or Excalibur (Faiza Hussain) from Captain Britannia and the M.I.:13... There's more, but I'd have to research.
But I must admit that I can't remember a character with both features combined.
P.S. 01: Marvel owns the "Silver Scorpion" character name since the 40's... Readers of Thunderbolts or Invaders will remember recent apparitions of that character.
P.S. 02: I wonder how Taskmaster's shield has ended as hubcap of that guy's wheelchair. He's not going to be happy...

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 06:23 PM Reply

At 9/27/10 05:57 PM, M-Vero wrote: Muslim superhero has been done before and done better
The whole Muslim thing seems like it's slapped on, for the sake of being the first crippled Muslim superhero.
Honestly, I think he looks incredibly silly. That much chrome makes him look like an 80's hero reject stuck in an equally gaudy box. Seriously, imagine him flying around in that thing.
Go ahead, its hilarious.

That Dust character seems more interesting to me as well. I wonder how many superheroes or comic book character in general have faith as an important/necessary aspect of their character. I mean the Heaven and Hell/God and the Devil thing is done in Spawn and Preacher and some other characters and it does give some depth to the story as the characters grapple with the supernatural realms, so there are some obvious Christian roots in certain comics. I wonder if this new character will have to confront aspects of his Islamic faith in the same way that those characters do or if being Muslim is just tacked on with no real purpose in the story (my guess is the uninteresting latter).


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 10:55 PM Reply

At 9/27/10 06:23 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: I wonder if this new character will have to confront aspects of his Islamic faith in the same way that those characters do or if being Muslim is just tacked on with no real purpose in the story (my guess is the uninteresting latter).

I'm hoping that the character himself has depth as well, myself, because tacking on interesting bits does come off as gimmicky in the best of situations. While he doesn't seem too shallow, it's not the sort of character I'm really going to bother keeping an eye on - it does seem to be in the area of other rag-tag ideas.

But it isn't often that you see hero's faiths as a primary focus of their lives, so I won't be dismissing this one on it's baby steps.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 11:01 PM Reply

This character reminds me of bad poetry. He's supposed to be a hero, but we're supposed to appreciate his differences? I would feel more inclined to feel bad for him if he came to save me, rather than root for him.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 11:15 PM Reply

OK, I just found an awesome band. Fans of 8-Bit and nostalgia freaks take a listen to this.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 27th, 2010 @ 11:32 PM Reply

At 9/27/10 11:15 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: OK, I just found an awesome band. Fans of 8-Bit and nostalgia freaks take a listen to this.

Chromelodeon is still my favorite quasi-videogame music type band. They did an album awhile ago that was just all instrumental covers of the castlevania soundtrack.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 28th, 2010 @ 12:42 AM Reply

At 9/27/10 11:32 PM, Captain-Ben wrote:
At 9/27/10 11:15 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: OK, I just found an awesome band. Fans of 8-Bit and nostalgia freaks take a listen to this.
Chromelodeon is still my favorite quasi-videogame music type band. They did an album awhile ago that was just all instrumental covers of the castlevania soundtrack.

Pretty cool band, I might have to look up more of their stuff.
One thing that is cool about Anamanaguchi is that they also use guitars and drums and whatnot along with their synths, NES, and Gameboy.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 28th, 2010 @ 07:29 AM Reply

Both sound really good, but I'm leaning towards Chromelodeon as my favoured band - it has a heavier beat, something I don't tend to see in videogame-esque bands. Plus I just like heavier-beat bands. That's... that's something that I like.

However, if I saw either band's CD in Sanity or anywhere else, I'd definitely buy it over any of the others - unfortunately, videogame-eque bands aren't exactly a real craze around here.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 28th, 2010 @ 05:27 PM Reply

I'm in sort of a dilemma, what do you think I should charge a company to make them 4 storyboard panels? All colored and inked?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 28th, 2010 @ 07:27 PM Reply

At 9/28/10 05:27 PM, Mabelma wrote: I'm in sort of a dilemma, what do you think I should charge a company to make them 4 storyboard panels? All colored and inked?

wait a sec, youre charging a company to make stuff for them? that seems a bit messed up.
maybe more details?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 28th, 2010 @ 07:31 PM Reply

At 9/28/10 07:27 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote:
At 9/28/10 05:27 PM, Mabelma wrote: I'm in sort of a dilemma, what do you think I should charge a company to make them 4 storyboard panels? All colored and inked?
wait a sec, youre charging a company to make stuff for them? that seems a bit messed up.
maybe more details?

How? The company needs something made, naturally they wouldn't make people pay them to make them things, they would pay people.
I think Mabelma's got a commission on his hands; artists charge for commissions.


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At 9/28/10 05:27 PM, Mabelma wrote: I'm in sort of a dilemma, what do you think I should charge a company to make them 4 storyboard panels? All colored and inked?

Normally, you sell a piece for a dollar a square inch.. How big are all the story boards?
You would probably down it to about fifty cents a square inch, but just a thought.
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Response to Art Forum Lounge Sep. 28th, 2010 @ 07:34 PM Reply

Yeah, Yeah, what Luxy said.