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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 20:17:31 Reply

At 3/3/10 08:00 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: ok time to pass around the lawls again
This time it has more to deal with audio rather than flash, But it has to deal with theft and plagiarism, a topic that many of us tend to constantly be associated with do the amount of art thieves out there that we bust.
MillsApparatus. I don't know if many of you know him or not, but he makes a major ass of himself from time to time, but this time I think I should share with you guys his latest idiocy.
so why bring this discussion to the table you ask? Well lets think about it, what consequences does Newgrounds have against theft?

In all cases
~ The submission is removed,

In the Art portal
~ In the art portal we are unscouted,
~ fuck up enough times or bad enough and you get trimmed from the scout tree permanently.

In the Flash Portal
~ I got nothing here

In the Audio Portal
~ other than submission removal, again I got nothing.

I know that accounts have been deleted before for content theft, but I find that to be a rarity. Same thing for IP Banning, even temporarily

So I Ask the art forum, who has some of the most restrictions and ways of punishment, What was should users who steal and up load stolen content have done to the as punishment. Especially when they are as conceded as this mills character who admits to only changing the name of the song and adding one sound clip.

should Malice users be removed from the respective portals until they find a way to redeem them selves? Or do we let things slip by with minor slaps on the wrist.

I would love to see the discussion open up for this right here in the lounge

Art theft is a disgusting crime of self-esteem. Someone wants to make themselves look shiny on the internet, so they post someone ELSE's work. I think that's pathetic and amoral.
What I can't help but think about is how, several months ago, someone posted 6 or so pieces of Julian Callos' work. He got scouted, got a bunch of great reviews and scores, and even got one or two pieces frontpaged before he was reported for art theft.
I find this revolting; if you can't draw, work hard and get better. If you can't even get better, then art isn't for you.
I think it's an offense worthy of a ban. No questions asked; if you know it's stolen, their account should be shut down.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 20:31:06 Reply

At 3/3/10 08:17 PM, Luxembourg wrote: I think it's an offense worthy of a ban. No questions asked; if you know it's stolen, their account should be shut down.

well even though you specifically said art, I'm sure you meant flash and audio as well, correct?

Either way, so far we have a call for one of the strictest punishments that a website can preform.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 20:36:49 Reply

At 3/3/10 08:31 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 3/3/10 08:17 PM, Luxembourg wrote: I think it's an offense worthy of a ban. No questions asked; if you know it's stolen, their account should be shut down.
well even though you specifically said art, I'm sure you meant flash and audio as well, correct?

Either way, so far we have a call for one of the strictest punishments that a website can preform.

Well, I was mostly thinking of art. Audio and flash as well, but flash isn't quite as easy to steal as art is. Same applies, though.
This is a site for submitting personal (and sometimes collaborative) creations. Lying about that just isn't right.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 20:41:28 Reply

At 3/3/10 08:36 PM, Luxembourg wrote:
At 3/3/10 08:31 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Either way, so far we have a call for one of the strictest punishments that a website can preform.
Well, I was mostly thinking of art. Audio and flash as well, but flash isn't quite as easy to steal as art is. Same applies, though.

I thought so, But I want to bring this discussion up about all forms of art.

Do you think is if foolish of Mills to claim that the preset loop was his even though he also states all he did was change the name and add one explosion sound effect?
Should his punish be lighter or more severe?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:14:57 Reply

At 3/3/10 08:41 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:
Should his punish be lighter or more severe?

Is this his first time doing this sort of thing?

If so, the punishment should be light. He might not know his internet common law.

However, repeat offences of similar nature ought to be zero tolerance.

At least theft around here isn't a fucking stupid as DeviantArt.

Look at this fucking retard. He and whoever faved this ought to be shot.


I have nothing to say that is at all relevant.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:19:53 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:14 PM, Felis wrote: Look at this fucking retard. He and whoever faved this ought to be shot.

Lolol, i left a comment to it also.


This text is in bold, which makes me aweso and your statement irrelevant.
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:24:58 Reply

Did I miss something? What's up with all this Aweso nonsense? Too cool to finish your words now, kids these days.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:26:48 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:24 PM, Captain-Ben wrote: Did I miss something? What's up with all this Aweso nonsense? Too cool to finish your words now, kids these days.

No, it was something on skype or stickam, twas lols


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:31:59 Reply

The more you look into this guy, the more amazing he becomes.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:32:40 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:31 PM, Felis wrote: The more you look into this guy, the more amazing he becomes.

Im about to lol more and more and more


This text is in bold, which makes me aweso and your statement irrelevant.
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:46:12 Reply

Art/Audio/Flash Theft

Theft is a major problem on any site where users submit content, as despicable as it is it's something that many, many users think they can get away with. I think that almost everyone sees something from time to time that they wish they had made, I guess people with weaker wills give into temptation then and claim it as their own. Thieves around here do get caught, they do get punished, sometimes with account deletion. In a perfect world it wouldn't happen, but this is Newgrounds.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:47:39 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:31 PM, Felis wrote: The more you look into this guy, the more amazing he becomes.

That made me fucking laugh so hard. This guy is either blind or ignorant, or both.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:48:21 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:46 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: In a perfect world it wouldn't happen, but this is Newgrounds.

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It's totally a perfect world here, but we're the ones keeping the dumbasses out of the perfect world. You know, like ethnic cleansing.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:48:35 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:47 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote:
At 3/3/10 09:31 PM, Felis wrote: The more you look into this guy, the more amazing he becomes.
That made me fucking laugh so hard. This guy is either blind or ignorant, or both.

No, I would imagine hes smarter than bill gates

no shit lolol

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:54:05 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:46 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: Art/Audio/Flash Theft

But... what is being done to prevent, and what is done to the users that violate those rules other than a slap on the wrist?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:55:18 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:54 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 3/3/10 09:46 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: Art/Audio/Flash Theft
But... what is being done to prevent, and what is done to the users that violate those rules other than a slap on the wrist?

Chop off the wrist, I'd say.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 21:57:04 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:48 PM, Snowman wrote:
At 3/3/10 09:47 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote:
At 3/3/10 09:31 PM, Felis wrote:

No, I would imagine hes smarter than bill gates

no shit lolol

Touche.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 22:05:44 Reply

Just commented on that pic.
Did anybody else notice that he spelled wolf wrong?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 22:17:39 Reply

At 3/3/10 09:54 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 3/3/10 09:46 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: Art/Audio/Flash Theft
But... what is being done to prevent, and what is done to the users that violate those rules other than a slap on the wrist?

As far as prevention goes, I don't know what can be done other than what is being done, having mods who try to sniff out stolen things and listen when the users tell them that something is amiss. When reports of theft come in we check them out.

For punishments, the worst that can be done, as far as I know (in cases of theft), is account deletion, which does happen, not so much for art but definitely for Flash. Bans for the art portal is something that happens for repeated offenders, and, as you know, deletion of uploads and being removed from the scouting tree.

I am interested in what users suggest be done as far as prevention and punishment. If something sounds like a good idea we can pass it on and see if something can be changed. =]


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 22:46:11 Reply

At 3/3/10 10:17 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote:
I am interested in what users suggest be done as far as prevention and punishment. If something sounds like a good idea we can pass it on and see if something can be changed. =]

I will be one of the first to admit that pretty much anything we suggest will not be a 100% complete against art theft.
so suggestions, no matter how good they sound will be always flawes in the most we can do is Perm IP Ban. But Some users just don't care.

any one else got input


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 22:53:25 Reply

Being the terrible person that I am, all I can think of is to shun the person so completely that their soul is crushed and they cry themself to sleep and/or an emo-related suicide.
Don't think of it as cruelty... Think of it as stress relief for forum regs. You could make it into a hobby or a sport. Timed competitions, that sort of thing.

my mind is an aweso place to be

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-03 23:08:38 Reply

I wouldn't say trivial so much as bizarre. Trivial just doesn't fit. Besides, everyone gets that urge to soul-crush when thinking about stolen art.

well, I and several others I know, so I'm going to generalize and just make it "everyone"

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-04 06:06:13 Reply

At 3/3/10 10:17 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: I am interested in what users suggest be done as far as prevention and punishment. If something sounds like a good idea we can pass it on and see if something can be changed. =]

I dont think a whole lot can be done about theft on the dark web (dark web=content created by the masses). The whole Idea is the low entry barrier.
You could look at youtubes example; They allow poeple to send them material they own the rights to, and then allow them to choose what they want to do in case someone uploads their stuff. Basically, every new submission is scanned to see if it matches any of the submitted copyright material.
This would mean that youd need an amazingly large library of art, audio and video which doesnt seem plausible.
Another option would be to tineye art automatically, but then you can only look at the number of hits which isnt always a good indicator; It might have been uploaded by the rightfull owner, even though he uploaded it elsewhere before; It might be a referenced drawing (does tineye pick these up?).
If you look at the audio portal, every first submission is reviewed to see if it is indeed legit; that might be able in the art portal, but it has been proven to be no guarantee.

Frankly I think the only real thing we can do is what we do right now.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-04 11:59:16 Reply

So I changed my sig. I didn't cave, I just support J-qb :D

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-04 13:43:40 Reply

ok its kinda scary how everyone has aweso sigs

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-04 14:31:50 Reply

At 3/4/10 01:43 PM, ashman112 wrote: ok its kinda scary how everyone has aweso sigs

Scary? Possibly.
Funny? Quite. Especially when it's pointing out a fail by Gumby :D

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-04 14:34:12 Reply

Nah, I find it rather hilarious.
It's just plain aweso!


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-04 14:43:24 Reply

ok i need to make myself a crappy one

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-04 14:52:59 Reply

At 3/4/10 02:43 PM, ashman112 wrote: ok i need to make myself a crappy one

Just get Snowman to make one for you.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-03-04 15:03:15 Reply

At 3/4/10 02:52 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:
At 3/4/10 02:43 PM, ashman112 wrote: ok i need to make myself a crappy one
Just get Snowman to make one for you.

he did but it wasnt really to my liking