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Yeah belief in every possibility means I believe in reality too you idiots.

At 3/12/08 12:53 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: Yeah belief in every possibility means I believe in reality too you idiots.

Reality is the dimension I live in. I have to offer it a little bit more respect. Because it physically effects me.

The other shit is on a more philosophical level.

It's exactly the opposite of what you're saying poxpower, my beliefs. I am the most fluid thinker ever. New information, bring it on. I believe it all.

Let me summarize: I believe in everything.

Past, present, future materials. Are all valid in my opinion.

Of course some of the ancient things are more mythical and what not. There are descrepencies and things.

But the idea remains the same. The idea of wanting explanation. That's all any of us yearn for, is explanation.

At 3/12/08 01:06 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: Let me summarize: I believe in everything.

Past, present, future materials. Are all valid in my opinion.

Of course some of the ancient things are more mythical and what not. There are descrepencies and things.

But the idea remains the same. The idea of wanting explanation. That's all any of us yearn for, is explanation.

Why do you post here? There is an equal possibility that by writing your post in a notepad and flushing it down the toilet, it will show up on newgrounds.com

Why did you pick a web browser to post instead? Why that possibility of the millions, no, infinitive possibilities that you could use to produce a post on newgrounds?

Why didn't you pick the possibility that shouting your post out loud would work? Why not think it really hard? Why not go to google.com and write your post in the search bar?

But let's not be confined to newgrounds here. Why do you select ANY of the things you do in favor of the other possibilities? Why do you eat food when jumping might have the same effect? Why do you walk instead of teleporting?

At 3/12/08 01:25 PM, Drakim wrote:
But let's not be confined to newgrounds here. Why do you select ANY of the things you do in favor of the other possibilities? Why do you eat food when jumping might have the same effect? Why do you walk instead of teleporting?

We still live in reality sir.

You're taking what I'm saying too literally.

It's a way of thinking. Not a way of living.

Obviously I can't do things that would put reality right on my face, i.e. death.

You do things a certain way in life because they are more effective. You know they work. They've been tested. This is science. Something I believe in.

At 3/12/08 01:33 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: We still live in reality sir.

You're taking what I'm saying too literally.

It's a way of thinking. Not a way of living.

Obviously I can't do things that would put reality right on my face, i.e. death.

You do things a certain way in life because they are more effective. You know they work. They've been tested. This is science. Something I believe in.

So, you believe in some things more strongly, but are open to all possibilities should something arise in their favor?

At 3/12/08 01:33 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: We still live in reality sir.

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Reality... is it actually real, or do we just think it is?

God... just because (me for example) I believe there is a possibility that there is an 'greater power' it in no way goes against my real & absolute belief that every organized religion on this planet is wrong,
flawed , & are only out to promote their own "VIEWS" on the masses, who for the most part when in groups act as all 'mobs' act, -without thinking- lacking common sense-
This is a reality here, people who have been convinced an omniputent 'god' is going to save them ... if they do what they are told to do & act how they are told to act by the 'upper' echelon of the various factions that have labeled themselves as the "true faith". If you go against any of their 'ideals' your going to hell dude. eternal damnation for all eternity, that's what their loving , caring god is going to do to you if YOU DON"T BELIEVE & ACT NOW ... to save your soul

This is a reality , today right here, just about everywhere.... I wonder if this somehow makes it right ?

am I the only one who thinks this 'reality' f'in BITES !

I have a question for some of the atheists here, do any of you say the phrase "Oh my God," even though you don't believe in Him?

Not trying to get anyone pissed off, just a question.

At 3/12/08 01:58 PM, Drakim wrote:
So, you believe in some things more strongly, but are open to all possibilities should something arise in their favor?

Yeah something like that. I mean it's super unlikely but it would be awesome if zombie jesus came and then escorted us to a party of some kind. I don't think that's going to really happen though...

Did you guys see Jesus camp. Those people are CRAZY.

At 3/12/08 05:43 PM, Professor-D-Weed wrote: I have a question for some of the atheists here, do any of you say the phrase "Oh my God," even though you don't believe in Him?

I'm gradually beginning to say "Oh my goodness" more often, but yes, I do say "Oh my god". Obviously this happens because we become so accustomed to hearing it we don't even have to think about it before we say it.

Saying, "Oh my god," is like saying, "Oh my universe."

That is what I'll say. From now on. Galactically delicious.

The only reason that I disagree with atheism is that it is too sure of itself without sufficient amounts of evidence. You simply can't have any evidence stating that no god exists. You can find plenty of evidence that specific gods don't exist, but none that no god exists.

This is why I am an agonistic. I recognize that the idea of a god cannot be disproven, and therefore remains just as valid as any other belief that has no evidence backing it up.

At 3/12/08 08:28 PM, mayeram wrote: This is why I am an agonistic. I recognize that the idea of a god cannot be disproven, and therefore remains just as valid as any other belief that has no evidence backing it up.

The idea that two giant green glowing lobsters named George and Hillary created the entire universe in a single day can't be disproven.

Therefore it's as valid as any other belief.

At 3/12/08 08:40 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 3/12/08 08:28 PM, mayeram wrote: This is why I am an agonistic. I recognize that the idea of a god cannot be disproven, and therefore remains just as valid as any other belief that has no evidence backing it up.

The idea that two giant green glowing lobsters named George and Hillary created the entire universe in a single day can't be disproven.

Therefore it's as valid as any other belief.

Less likely though.

Now that I think about it, the odds of there being life in the universe is very low.

You could almost say that the possibility of life itself is ridiculous.

At 3/12/08 08:14 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 3/12/08 05:43 PM, Professor-D-Weed wrote: I have a question for some of the atheists here, do any of you say the phrase "Oh my God," even though you don't believe in Him?

I'm gradually beginning to say "Oh my goodness" more often, but yes, I do say "Oh my god". Obviously this happens because we become so accustomed to hearing it we don't even have to think about it before we say it.

There is no reason not to say "Oh my god" if you're an atheist. It's just an expletive, part of the language. If one things english should be their country's official language it doesn't mean that they should stop saying things like "Adiós" or "hasta la vista, baby".

I am convinced that Jesus committed suicide. Someone prove me wrong

1. He 'died for our sins' meaning he chose to die

2. Being the manifestation of God he should have been able to help himself but chose not to.

anyone?

At 3/12/08 12:56 PM, JackPhantasm wrote:

I believe it all.

No you don't.
Unless you have no idea what the word "believe" is.
Also you seem to have degrees for your beliefs. Degrees not really based on math or reality but rather your preconceived notions of things.

Basically if I say I'm God, then I say I'm not God, you can't believe both. That makes no sense whatsoever. You can believe one, the other or neither, but if you believe both than you're a moron by definition.

At 3/12/08 08:12 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: Did you guys see Jesus camp. Those people are CRAZY.

Manson version :D

At 3/12/08 05:43 PM, Professor-D-Weed wrote: I have a question for some of the atheists here, do any of you say the phrase "Oh my God,"

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Usually I say "Fuck" in the mix, like "Fuckin' god damn it", or "god Fucking Damnit "

Not trying to get anyone pissed off, just a question.

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good question.

if jesus where around to day his peace loving hippie ass would be begging us to stop. Then he would be assasinated. I think therefore I am. If this god exists he oughta worship me he made me in his image.
heres a qoute
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

At 3/13/08 03:31 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 3/12/08 12:56 PM, JackPhantasm wrote:

I believe it all.

No you don't.
Unless you have no idea what the word "believe" is.

I admit I tend to bend definitions of words.

I guess I don't believe "it all" But I believe in the "possibility of it all"

Is there really a difference? Philosophically yes.

Basically if I say I'm God, then I say I'm not God, you can't believe both. That makes no sense whatsoever. You can believe one, the other or neither, but if you believe both than you're a moron by definition.

There's a difference between believing in a concept and only believing in say, that you are god. If I believe in the concept that you could possibly be god, this still leaves room for the other possibility. It's something you can only do on a conceptual level.

Assuming that you're not just a person saying this, which would render any possibility of anything you say very low in regards to whether you're god or not, let's say you come down from the heavens or wherever and say one thing and then say another.

I wouldn't have to believe what you say, I could still believe in the concept.

And we're not even mentioning the fact that the concept of a god who talks to us in our own language is silly, too. You still have to acknowledge math and all that. I hope I didn't misconstrue that. Math plays a big part in what is likely and what isn't.

But what you say could be what you are. Weird isn't it. THis isn't really a philosophy I've thought about for many years. THis is something recent. I'm still fine tuning it. Based on experiences, stuff I learn, etc.

Because everything includes the present, which is constantly flowing into the future.

It's really all about believing in the possibility, more than the results themselves. Because results change.

JackPhantasm, you are basically saying that you are open to all possibilities, never locking yourself to one thing can calling it truth forever.

The thing is, this is true for most of us. I don't think anybody here would outright deny an option as a possibility to be true, they just think it's very unlikely and won't bet for it unless reality and evidence points towards that possibility. (at least of the atheists. Some theist might think that the devil is tricking them)

At 3/13/08 11:01 AM, JackPhantasm wrote:

I guess I don't believe "it all" But I believe in the "possibility of it all"

what you really mean is that you are open to believing any idea AS LONG AS IT IS BACKED UP WITH LOGIC OR EVIDENCE.

Which is what everyone does without even thinking about it on a daily basis while doing simple tasks like taking a shit and flushing the toilet and wiping their butts.. and let's see... what else do people do.. pee? yes.

It's really all about believing in the possibility, more than the results themselves. Because results change.

stop using the word "believe".
If you believe something, it means you are POSITIVE about it.
What you are is OPEN TO POSSIBILITIES. You don't "believe in possibilities" that's a bad use of the word.

GOD I AM BORED haha

I have an idea on why science and religion can never work.

Science driven by a desire to understand. And to understand you need to seek out errors in your current position and correct them. You can't do that if your initial assumptions are already right. Everything in science all assumptions must be questioned, all hypothesis must be testible and that all explanations must have large amounts of evidence. You can't test for God, you can't question God nore can you can't find any evidence for God. Science is a self correcting process that's changing constantly because it's always improving, religion isn't.

Should I go on?

At 3/13/08 01:03 PM, Brick-top wrote:

Should I go on?

no reason not too

At 3/13/08 04:21 PM, jitterman wrote:

At 3/13/08 01:03 PM, Brick-top wrote:

Should I go on?

no reason not too

Yes there is. What he is saying is basic stuff. The people who doesn't understand it or doesn't know it, will never know it because they aren't even interested in hearing why evidence and truth is better than wish-thinking.

While the rest already knows it, thus, it would be pointless to repeat it to us.

At 3/13/08 01:03 PM, Brick-top wrote: I have an idea on why science and religion can never work.

Science driven by a desire to understand. And to understand you need to seek out errors in your current position and correct them. You can't do that if your initial assumptions are already right. Everything in science all assumptions must be questioned, all hypothesis must be testible and that all explanations must have large amounts of evidence. You can't test for God, you can't question God nore can you can't find any evidence for God. Science is a self correcting process that's changing constantly because it's always improving, religion isn't.

Should I go on?

Many of the greatest thinkers after the middle ages and before the renaissance used philosophy to make points on how their can't possibly be a God and other points on how there must be a God.

The Summa Theologica written by Saint Thomas Aquinas is most famous for its Quinquae viae, or its "five ways" in which Thomas proves there has to be a God.

While searching around on wiki I found this page:
Notable points made by the Summa Theologica

At 3/13/08 05:18 PM, Professor-D-Weed wrote: Many of the greatest thinkers after the middle ages and before the renaissance used philosophy to make points on how their can't possibly be a God and other points on how there must be a God.

Name 10

While searching around on wiki I found this page:
Notable points made by the Summa Theologica

wiki = not reliable. Stopped using it.

Yeah believe is the wrong word.

What is a word. What isn't.

For me it's simple...

I die, that's it.

I envy people who can believe in God, or a second life. I'm just too logical for it.

but averagely logical