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At 2/12/08 07:11 AM, poxpower wrote: No respectable scientist today believes strongly in God,

Prove it.

I saw a magazine article about atheism, the number of atheists is growing, but the opposite is true for colledge students and scientists.

Also mega churches in the United States are spending a shit load of money funding very good private schools and are sending there young members there. And kids from fancy private schools and universitys often beat out the rest of us that go to public schools.

If only they werent so conservative based, im a liberal.

At 2/12/08 06:54 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 2/12/08 07:11 AM, poxpower wrote: No respectable scientist today believes strongly in God,

Prove it.

Yeah, that is a kinda harsh claim.

You might pull off a "none of the top 15 scientist", but not respectable in general. Atheism is very common with scientist, but not a rule.

I saw a magazine article about atheism, the number of atheists is growing, but the opposite is true for colledge students and scientists.

I think it's mainly due to all stances softening up. More and more Christians belive in evolution, which makes it more likely to be a college professor, etc.

The funniest thing is that the number of clergy that is atheist has dramatically gone up. But I guess that isn't something you would tell people openly in the past.

Also mega churches in the United States are spending a shit load of money funding very good private schools and are sending there young members there. And kids from fancy private schools and universitys often beat out the rest of us that go to public schools.

I think it's pretty sad that if you have the "wrong" religion or beliefs, you aren't entitled to going to the best schools.

At 2/12/08 09:58 AM, poxpower wrote: There's too many atheists here, it's boring.

Fine, I'll get your blood boiling then.

If you look at a watch it's obvious that it had a designer, so therefore everything must have had a designer. It's impossible to get something from nothing and we couldn't have been evolved from monkeys because the monkeys would have been dead. Evolution is a sin, a lie and Atheists are liars and hateful etc. Evolution is imoral because it means that the almighty God didn't create the universe and means we weren't made from love and worship etc.

Yep.

At 2/12/08 07:46 PM, Brick-top wrote: Yep.

I can play that, Im an atheist and I clam to be logical but when you ask me about the origens of the universe and stuf, I clame that I dont know why and I shouldnt care because I should just live my life and dont think about things. so i call myself a humanist, a secularist (despite that modern secularism was made by early protostant thinkers to protect relligion from government), and a free thinker, despite that I just said I dont think about things beyond what we know.

At 2/12/08 07:52 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 2/12/08 07:46 PM, Brick-top wrote: Yep.

I can play that, Im an atheist and I clam to be logical but when you ask me about the origens of the universe and stuf,

*cough* Big Bang *cough*

At 2/12/08 09:58 AM, poxpower wrote: There's too many atheists here, it's boring.

Me and drakim should start arguing about something random. Maybe I feel like being a creationist... Yes it's all starting to make sense now...

how about whehter or not most of the top scientists are atheists?

something must be suggested!

At 2/12/08 09:54 PM, Brick-top wrote: *cough* Big Bang *cough*

The big bang explains the big bang, ITS SO SIMPLE!

At 2/13/08 10:06 AM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 2/12/08 09:54 PM, Brick-top wrote: *cough* Big Bang *cough*

The big bang explains the big bang, ITS SO SIMPLE!

Yes and God explains God, so much more logical.

Anyways, from my experience and from what stats show, smart people are atheist, dumb uneducated people are religious. The answer to that is very simple: you have to be an idiot to be very religious.

Now what does this mean exactly? It means there are degrees of being religious. Here's a little ladder, from "not religious" to "really religious". You will usually find the smarter, more advanced people/civilisations at the "not religious" side.

=====
-Atheist
-Born of religious parents but never practices a single ritual, still vaguely deist
-Goes to church on certain holiday
-Goes to church every week
-Creationist
-Thinks men are better than women
-Think slavery of inferior races is alright
-Severe punishments for not being of that religion
-Thinks sacrifice is alright
-Thinks humans sacrifice is alright

That's my little ladder here, at some times and in some societies, you may see some steps being skipped or some coming before others, but it's pretty much my opinion that when you're sacrificing humans you've reached the bottom of the barrel as far as being uneducated and religious goes.

Most religious scientists will fall under category 2 or 3, i.e. their faith does not affect in any sort of way what their research covers.

Anyways, from my experience and from what stats show, smart people are atheist, dumb uneducated people are religious. The answer to that is very simple: you have to be an idiot to be very religious.

Smart people are liberal too it seems. Higher degrees are mostly held by liberals.......

oh no he didn't!!!

At 2/13/08 10:06 AM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 2/12/08 09:54 PM, Brick-top wrote: *cough* Big Bang *cough*

The big bang explains the big bang, ITS SO SIMPLE!

When in doubt, use Wiki.

However, I think we all know what you're going to read. And to save you the time, these two give you a good summary however, this shows a few corrections to the videos.

And to be perfectly honest, it makes more sense than "God did it using MAGIC!"

Also, if the universe cannot begin by itself doesn't that put a contradiction to Gods origins? If everything needs a designer who designed him?

More scientists believe in god than those who don't, but the higher you go up in terms of credibility and qualifications, the more likely they are to be Atheists. That is, most "top" scientists are atheists.

Also, study concerning correlations between Religion, IQ and profession etc.

At 2/13/08 07:13 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: More scientists believe in god than those who don't, but the higher you go up in terms of credibility and qualifications, the more likely they are to be Atheists. That is, most "top" scientists are atheists.

Also, study concerning correlations between Religion, IQ and profession etc.

haha that site looks impossibly unofficial.
I still agree because every last religious person I ever argued with has shitty arguments that show complete lack of understanding of logic and science and perfect graps of monkey-see-monkey-do tactics of repeating what they've been told were "arguments" and not being able to offer a rebuttal to the rebuttal because it goes way over their heads.

bwahahahaha!

Remember that there is only one universal law in the human mind, something that would be very accepting to the idea of a god.

And that rule is; Survive.

Any other law, or laws, were created unofficially, and backed both by religion / A set of internalized principals, and by Arms [Police + military] In order to Perfect, enhance, and protect that one law; This comes at the cost of those who do not play part in 'other human groups' Which essentially creates the struggles of the world.

The idea of existing for nothing, working for nothing, killing for nothing, doing good deeds for other poeple for nothing, and so on so forth; are contradictory to our own human logic. They are because they defy the Sacred law; The Sacred Law says We need to survive no matter what. The law of nothing states that We are here for no reason; It's difficult to value something that has no purpose, and it dwarfs the importance of the sacred law.

What is worse about this, is that Sacred law permits things which conflict our own logic regarding the sacred law. Sacred law tells us that, Survival; being the goal, makes things such as fighting are wrong, because they create destruction and essentially put a group in a state of peril, but violence is also right because it has the potential to protect you or your group from being destroyed. [Essentially]

As a result of all of this; i don't hold any problems against people who are ignorant for believing in a god, even one who is a personal god. Because i know for a fact that God was a mental adaptation to replace instinct; since a conscious mind gives us the power to create a vacuum by beleiving that nothing we do in this life has importance.

I think most scientists beleive that there is some form of intelligence behind 'Everything' Because they feel that they need to.

At 2/14/08 03:48 PM, SolInvictus wrote: bwahahahaha!

haha nice "if you scored 10 000 or more, you are Batshit Crazy".
I like the "profoundly deluded" category too. haha "unfit to teach the young". Unfit to teach PERIOD.

Fine, I'm a Christian Deist.

Feel free to throw something out there. Might as well because not a lot of you got the chance to pick a fight.

At 2/15/08 02:42 AM, Stoicish wrote: Fine, I'm a Christian Deist.

Sorry, that's an oxymoron.

At 2/15/08 02:42 AM, Stoicish wrote: Fine, I'm a Christian Deist.

Feel free to throw something out there. Might as well because not a lot of you got the chance to pick a fight.

Don't you mean a Christian Theist?

At 2/15/08 03:41 AM, Drakim wrote: Don't you mean a Christian Theist?

Nope. In other threads he has said he's a deist, and supposedly a Christian one at that.

You just have to overlook the part contradicting itself.

At 2/15/08 04:10 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 2/15/08 03:41 AM, Drakim wrote: Don't you mean a Christian Theist?

Nope. In other threads he has said he's a deist, and supposedly a Christian one at that.

You just have to overlook the part contradicting itself.

But but....

It's almost like saying your favorite flavor is unflavored and chocolate.

At 2/15/08 05:21 AM, Drakim wrote: It's almost like saying your favorite flavor is unflavored and chocolate.

erm..I think that was my point.

At 2/14/08 03:48 PM, SolInvictus wrote: bwahahahaha!

"Batshit crazy"! That's fantastic! Good find.

Good to see this topiochas since stopped all religious topics from being made in politics.

O wait

I'm going to make my statement as simple as possible.

God was Born of Desire.

Man wanted something to believe in, a belief in an afterlife, so that they could avoid being forever dead, as they would live on in "spirit". Therefore, man created God, because they desired an explanation other than "Hell if I know."

That's part of it. Humans want to believe that those who are doing things that are "wrong" are going to be eternally punished, so they can justify just sitting around and doing nothing.

At 3/8/08 06:30 AM, The-evil-bucket wrote: That's part of it. Humans want to believe that those who are doing things that are "wrong" are going to be eternally punished, so they can justify just sitting around and doing nothing.

Exactly. Did you know that the punishment for doing ANYTHING on a SUNDAY was stoning to death?

I think that God (no matter how you interpret Him or them) is evil. In every single way.

Here's why, non believers go to Hell, yet if God created us and he is all knowing then he will have instantanious knowledge of every atom in the universe from the point it was created till eternity ends. So that means God knows we're going to sin, God knows that I was not going to believe. And because he is the maker then he is responcible for that.

Look at it like this if Mercedes made a new M-class Mercedes-benz, and every 10,000 miles both front hub assembilies and suspension system pop out and launches themselves into either side of the road and you go swerving off into a bus, then who are you going to blame? The driver? No, the company. However the company doesn't have all the knowledge of the universe, and can only gather a certain percentage of information before they sell the car. However, God is all knowing isn't he?

If you read the old testiment (and some in the new) you'll see that God allows things that are morlly unacceptible. Like murder, torture, rape, child abuse, homophobia, racism, sexism, slavery etc. And he threatens you with "believe or burn forever" doesn't really show that God is loving. If you love someone the last thing you're going to do is burn them for eternity. God knows what we're going to do before we do it and punishes us for the flaws that he gave us in the first place.

Many theists think Noah and the Great Flood are factual. So lets put that into practice. Gods solution is mass flooding even though he has all the power and knowledge of the universe, that seems pretty half assed to me. Then he kills 99.9% of the creatures on Earth including men, woman and children by drowning them. When a catasphrophy happens where several thousand people die the western world looks upon it as something that is truely horrible and tragic yet parents have no problem telling their children as a bedtime story that God killed nearly the whole land based creatures on the planet because they weren't obaying him.

I could just quote certain parts of the old and new testiment or just link you to evilbible but I'm not going to do that because God said that we don't have to bash people's heads in. However, my point is that he DID want us to do these things. He allowed people to rape virgins and murder their children. And they get into heaven for that. And let's not forget that God changed the rules yet theists claim their absolutes that cannot be changed.

At 3/9/08 08:00 AM, Brick-top wrote: I think that God (no matter how you interpret Him or them) is evil. In every single way.

No, God can't be evil. After all, the very definition of Good and Evil is that God tells us what they are. Without God there is no morality. If God said that killing babies for shits and giggles is good and admirable, then it would be good and admirable. After all, it's not like we humans are capable of thinking for ourselves, or able to form our own morality.

Drowning unborn babies in the time of Noah's flood was GOOD, since God did it and God is the very definition of good. In the Old Testament killing children for the sins of the mother was GOOD, but now it's BAD because God changed his mind. God changed the rules, and his absolutes can't be changed, these are both true. After all, God doesn't have to adhere to logic, he's super and awesome just like that.

"God Said It, I Believe It, That Settles It!" (until God says something else)

At 3/9/08 08:00 AM, Brick-top wrote: I think that God (no matter how you interpret Him or them) is evil. In every single way.

Here's why, non believers go to Hell

depends on your branch of christianity. but in some non baptised don't go to hell or heaven

yet if God created us and he is all knowing then he will have instantanious knowledge of every atom in the universe from the point it was created till eternity ends. So that means God knows we're going to sin, God knows that I was not going to believe. And because he is the maker then he is responcible for that.

if I blew myself up smoking a cigerette next to a gas can it would be my fault. weather or not God knows still does not compensate for the fact that if this scenerio happoned it would have been my fault for being stupid. same goes for being an asshole and going to hell.(as long as you don't get forgiven or make penance depending on your religion)

Look at it like this if Mercedes made a new M-class Mercedes-benz, and every 10,000 miles both front hub assembilies and suspension system pop out and launches themselves into either side of the road and you go swerving off into a bus, then who are you going to blame? The driver? No,

the company

yep. companies fault

. However the company doesn't have all the knowledge of the universe, and can only gather a certain percentage of information before they sell the car. However, God is all knowing isn't he?

yep. but if God went arouned telling people about every problem they have, then everyone would just turn into lazy basterds who could not do anything by themselves.

If you read the old testiment (and some in the new) you'll see that God allows things that are morlly unacceptible. Like murder, torture, rape, child abuse, homophobia, racism, sexism, slavery etc. And he threatens you with "believe or burn forever" doesn't really show that God is loving. If you love someone the last thing you're going to do is burn them for eternity. God knows what we're going to do before we do it and punishes us for the flaws that he gave us in the first place.

Christens follow the new testiment, but from what your saying we should be worried about those jews.lol

Many theists think Noah and the Great Flood are factual. So lets put that into practice. Gods solution is mass flooding even though he has all the power and knowledge of the universe, that seems pretty half assed to me. Then he kills 99.9% of the creatures on Earth including men, woman and children by drowning them. When a catasphrophy happens where several thousand people die the western world looks upon it as something that is truely horrible and tragic yet parents have no problem telling their children as a bedtime story that God killed nearly the whole land based creatures on the planet because they weren't obaying him.

I don't belive that story either. things weren't written down back then so the Noahs ark story has probably been alterd to a version unrecognisible from the original.

I could just quote certain parts of the old and new testiment or just link you to evilbible but I'm not going to do that because God said that we don't have to bash people's heads in. However, my point is that he DID want us to do these things. He allowed people to rape virgins and murder their children. And they get into heaven for that.

you can't win a war or enforce justice with hugs and kisses. lots of armies (and alot more at this time)have alowed there troops to do rape and murder civiliens and say it's fine even without any of them beliving in God. thats the way things happoned two and a half thousand years ago. I don't see anyone complaning about spartins ass-raping there enimies.

And let's not forget that God changed the rules yet theists claim their absolutes that cannot be changed.

well Im religious and I don't know what your talking about so rephrase this last sentance.

I am catholic and i KNOW that my God is not evil. I will straiten things out here. Those who beleive in him will go to heaven and so will those that dont. Those that have done much sining the world are the ones going to hell. As long as you are a good person and have good mroals you have a place in heaven. So once again i tell you that my God is not evil. You may think diffrently but i dont really care