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At 6/13/09 08:26 PM, RKthrilla wrote: The demoman needs an update next, he is so under powered it isn't even funny.

I want a demoman update, but I don't see what they can improve. The pipe bombs do upto 130 damage without crit (this is enough to one hit the low health classes if they have full health) and isn't that hard to aim, plus it's great for fucking up a defence without getting harmed (4 quick bombs into an alcove = dead everything). The sticky bombs are just deadly.. they do 70-150 damage if right next to an enemy, though the splash is great too, and you can quickly fire 2-3 to blow anything to smithereens. If critical, one sticky will kill a heavy with his 300 health - if not crit, 2-4 are needed but since the heavy is slow it's not that hard to set traps up for them. The demoman is a better defence than an engineer, you can just hide round a corner with stickies on the edge where the enemy can't see them, as soon as they appear, boom instant kills. Plus of course demoman is the best anti-engineer for he doesn't need to get in close, or even in front of, a sentry. 3 stickies will destroy any level of sentry, plus the surrounding dispenser, teleporter and any nearby enemies!

At 6/13/09 06:38 PM, TheWolfe wrote: I just bought it a month ago when the Valve pack was on sale. 10 bucks for HL2, ep1, ep2, coastline, and tf2.

I'll give you a Sandman if you want. I've got at least 7... :(

At 6/13/09 10:11 PM, ParadoxVoid wrote:

At 6/13/09 06:38 PM, TheWolfe wrote: I just bought it a month ago when the Valve pack was on sale. 10 bucks for HL2, ep1, ep2, coastline, and tf2.

I'll give you a Sandman if you want. I've got at least 7... :(

I already have one thanks lol.

I think the demonan needs a new secondary weapon. Thats about all they can do.
Also, the engies need something...I feel that the power of the sentry is too great and the engie is too weak. Need something to balance it out, idk.

They should give every class an arch enemy class, like spy vs sniper. That would be pretty cool to look forward to every once in awhile, and would keep everyone busy =D

At 6/13/09 08:41 PM, liaaaam wrote: I want a demoman update, but I don't see what they can improve. The pipe bombs do upto 130 damage without crit (this is enough to one hit the low health classes if they have full health) and isn't that hard to aim, plus it's great for fucking up a defence without getting harmed (4 quick bombs into an alcove = dead everything). The sticky bombs are just deadly.. they do 70-150 damage if right next to an enemy, though the splash is great too, and you can quickly fire 2-3 to blow anything to smithereens. If critical, one sticky will kill a heavy with his 300 health - if not crit, 2-4 are needed but since the heavy is slow it's not that hard to set traps up for them. The demoman is a better defence than an engineer, you can just hide round a corner with stickies on the edge where the enemy can't see them, as soon as they appear, boom instant kills. Plus of course demoman is the best anti-engineer for he doesn't need to get in close, or even in front of, a sentry. 3 stickies will destroy any level of sentry, plus the surrounding dispenser, teleporter and any nearby enemies!

Well, all this is true, but have you noticed that demos that top the scoreboard (or even in the top 3) are VERY rare?
So rare that l can still remember the name of 2 very good demomen....
THey could implement a lot of new stuff like mines (you have to step on them, they detonate upon impact but you can't remote-detonate them), incendiary grenades (why not?), dynamite (l know it was the original demo weapon, but it might be a good idea...there was this server where each class had its own special nade and the demo had the TNT...it was so awesome!), WINBOMBS (lol), bouncy grenades (they need to bounce off something to explode but in exchange they deal more damage) and maybe even, you know, normal grenades.

I don't think there will be a replacement for the bottle though (which is a shame, but what can you do?VALVe decided to put 2 secondary unlockables)

At 6/13/09 06:20 PM, TheWolfe wrote:

Since the Spy/Sniper update, players are able to unlock hats.

Oh cool. I think I've seen just about all of them. Hm. When I didn't know they were some rare item, I didn't care, but now I do.

Kind of like the huntsman. Looks cool, but not a big deal.
I hope when I get force a nature its different =D

Well, as Sniper, I have tried headshots against scouts with the helmet. they either do no Crits, or little/no damage, I have forgotten which...
although that might have been an isolated incident

At 6/13/09 04:52 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Whoa guys, revalation;

I usually play TF2 and get bored after an hour. I figured this was because I'm not in any real tight groups with their own website and because I don't have a mic...but then I discovered...

TYPING!

Before I thought no one read it, and it's usually ignored. I was WRONG. Today I decided to man up and start giving out orders because we were losing so badly. If we had 4 snipers, I'd say "NEW RULE; no more than 3 in a class" and sure enough the next round there would only be 3. Next, we were losing for no real reason, and no one was doing anything. "NEW RULE: if you aren't making at least one kill with your current class, change it!" and sure enough things changed and we won the next round. And lastly, there was a round that we had 1 medic, and we being slaughtered by pyros.

"Guys, we need more medics. Somebody man up!"

Next round; FOUR MEDICS.

Lulz.

In the servers I use I always chat with voice chat and typing, we once made a BIG Pyro Rush, like 7 or 8 people in our team and we all were Pyros.
Epicest stuff ever.
Also had a heavy rush as well.

In Arena Ravine I did so well, so it was just me left, the other people were all dead, (well I think there was a Medic or demoman but he died when the point was open,) so the point opened, the other team were pretty much taking it, so as a Pyro I stormed in and killed a heavy, managed to get around and kill another Pyro, then there was one more person left who had low health, and I had low health as well and he was on fire, so I went around this rock and managed to burn him and I won the game for my team.

It was so awesome.

99.777% not fabricated

At 6/14/09 02:10 AM, No08PwN3R1337 wrote:
Well, as Sniper, I have tried headshots against scouts with the helmet. they either do no Crits, or little/no damage, I have forgotten which...

Whattafuck?
Are you sure?VALVe never said anything about the hats actually doing something...

although that might have been an isolated incident

What do you guys think the game would be like if hats gave you 10-20+ health?
Just a question..

At 6/14/09 05:23 AM, FurryDemon wrote: What do you guys think the game would be like if hats gave you 10-20+ health?
Just a question..

Full of people going OMFG OVERPOWERED NERF PL0X.

Think about it, 2 snipers battling on 2fort, sniper without hat headshots sniper with hat, sniper with hat kills other sniper with one headshot. Commence "OMFG J00 NOOB TAIK HAT OFF AND STOP BEING A PUSSY"

I HATE when im sniping against someone who has a medic/dispenser with them.

At 6/14/09 05:31 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

At 6/14/09 05:23 AM, FurryDemon wrote: What do you guys think the game would be like if hats gave you 10-20+ health?
Just a question..

It would suck.Hats are so rare, and frankly, it's better not to play with the health of each class...

Full of people going OMFG OVERPOWERED NERF PL0X.

Exactly

Think about it, 2 snipers battling on 2fort, sniper without hat headshots sniper with hat, sniper with hat kills other sniper with one headshot. Commence "OMFG J00 NOOB TAIK HAT OFF AND STOP BEING A PUSSY"

Haha l would actually like to see that.

I HATE when im sniping against someone who has a medic/dispenser with them.

Do the same :/

At 6/14/09 01:12 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Well, all this is true, but have you noticed that demos that top the scoreboard (or even in the top 3) are VERY rare?

That's true :/ I consider myself a pretty good demo but I'm always in the middle of the scoreboard. The top is reserved for snipers, spies, medics and half-decent heavies. I don't mind score though, which is good because only time I'm up there is if I'm a medic or a do exceptional. With demo, I tend to stick to the grenade launcher most of the time and if I'm having a good day I'll hit 75%+ of my shots, which is super fun, because I like to see people explode. One of my best moments (as in, it kicked ass) was on gold rush or something, a heavy and medic came out of a tunnel and I shot 3 grenades.. 2 hit the heavy and killed him, the other went into the tunnel, as did the medic as his heavy died, so they both died. Then I saw a flicker of an invisible spy and shot in mid-air towards a raised platform which hit the invisible spy just as he was jumping down XD Anyway.. grenades would be interesting but apparantly they were fucking annoying in Team Fortress Classic, so I don't know. If only one class had them, it would definitely be interesting..

At 6/14/09 05:31 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: I HATE when im sniping against someone who has a medic/dispenser with them.

I always heal a sniper if I see him, for a few seconds for the chance of an assist ;p I usually run off to the front line after that though. On 2fort a while ago as a medic I was healing a sniper because my team was doing well at catching the intelligence and stopping them capturing ours, and this sniper was doing a fantastic job. I got 20 assists without him dieing, plus about 5 kills of scouts and spies with my blutsauger. That was fun, though he kept failing when I gave him kritz ;(

At 6/13/09 08:26 PM, RKthrilla wrote: The demoman needs an update next, he is so under powered it isn't even funny.

I c whut u did thar.

What would they do for a solider update?

Oh, and WHEN IS THE 350 GONNA GET SOME DLC!? I know there are space problems but still...

At 6/14/09 07:58 AM, Frenzy wrote: What would they do for a solider update?

Oh, and WHEN IS THE 350 GONNA GET SOME DLC!? I know there are space problems but still...

The 350 doesn't get an update because Microhard are busy focusing on the 360 update with valve
(Not funny I know, but I couldn't resist)

Anyway, if you hate demomen who use stickies BE LESS PREDICTABLE, seriously the whole thing relies on knowing where you'll be when the sticky can be detonated. Or go sniper/spy/scout.

The engy needs a Ultimate defensive weapon, maybe a pistol replacement that turns a corpse into a robotic zombie thing that has fifty health and that has a melee attack? I should watch less terminator :(

At 6/13/09 08:26 PM, RKthrilla wrote: The demoman needs an update next, he is so under powered it isn't even funny.

Considering how valve, when making new weapons for updates, takes into account the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons and then flips them. So basically if you want to guess what the demoman's new weapon is going to be then all you have to do is look at his strengths and weaknesses and flip them.

Hard to handle but does great damage? Well then lets give him an easier weapon to use with, lets say, more accuracy but we'll nerf its strength!

It would help demomen get their stuff where they wanted it without actually having to plot out the arc etc. problem is that its going to do less damage (scouts and spies might survive the blast!) so close encounters where normal demomen exceed in taking out fools with easy swipes, might have a bit more trouble.

Anyway that what I predict they're going to do with the grenade launcher. We'll see.

At 6/14/09 06:32 PM, visiblecrumpet wrote :

Considering how valve, when making new weapons for updates, takes into account the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons and then flips them. So basically if you want to guess what the demoman's new weapon is going to be then all you have to do is look at his strengths and weaknesses and flip them.

So....a bit slow, no easy-to-handle, straight shooting weapons, drunk as hell, can deal massive damage, good at demolition (doh!), good at spawn camping and sticky spam.
Hm...

At 6/14/09 06:32 PM, visiblecrumpet wrote: Considering how valve, when making new weapons for updates, takes into account the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons and then flips them.

I think you've probably got the right idea. Possibly something like a remote detonated rocket, which is weaker but easier to aim as the primary.

Also, I like the TNT idea as a replacement for the sticky bombs - perhaps you can throw one at a time, but they have a larger blast radius and they have a fuse, but obviously they can't be destroyed. Also, perhaps as a bonus, they explode even more violently and immediately if lit on fire - could be good as an anti-pyro device.

As for the melee, perhaps he can drink whatever kind of alcohol is in his bottle. This would obviously remove any close-quarters-combat ability, but give him some sort of boost? Double attack strength, etc?

Just a few ideas... Another alternative would be a better mid-close range weapon, since the standard weapon is woefully inadequate as we all know.

Why does the Demo have Depth Perception? He can obviously see enemies in the distance and can work in 3D Space, but has only one good eye...

Also, 20 minutes on plr_Pipeline round 2 is no fun. Just goes on and on and on...

At 6/15/09 08:59 AM, Sweeper128 wrote: Why does the Demo have Depth Perception? He can obviously see enemies in the distance and can work in 3D Space, but has only one good eye...

I dunno...l can work fine in a 3d space even when l cover one of my eyes...maybe his field of vision should be smaller, but then the pyro's vision should be blurred as hell since he is wearing a gas mask..

Also, 20 minutes on plr_Pipeline round 2 is no fun. Just goes on and on and on...

Go on another server :/

Uh, so me and AK had a little conversation on Steam and thought that having another event to test his server would be nice....
Now we have to decide when.
What do you say?

At 6/16/09 12:54 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 6/15/09 08:59 AM, Sweeper128 wrote: Also, 20 minutes on plr_Pipeline round 2 is no fun. Just goes on and on and on...

Go on another server :/

But it was [cnb} servers.

Also event at a time for Event could be any day at about 10pm - 12am GMT, (6pm to 8pm somewhere in America.)

At 6/15/09 08:59 AM, Sweeper128 wrote: Also, 20 minutes on plr_Pipeline round 2 is no fun. Just goes on and on and on...

That happens way too often :P Then it usually ends when one team is spending all their efforts trying to defend the tunnel and enemy spies+scouts will come through the back and end it before they even realise. Pisses me off when it happens to me at least ;)

Event time eh? Well, how about friday, 4 PM EST?

At 6/16/09 10:44 AM, Racoonmario wrote: Event time eh? Well, how about friday, 4 PM EST?

Can do. Just need an admin to be on the console this time, and we're set.

Friday 4pm EST?

If I know my timezones that is around 10am GMT, cutting most Europeans in this group who actually have a job/school out of the game :(

4pm GMT?

( I can make 3:30pm GMT to 3am Saturday GMT)

Give me a date and time I'm there. At least after Friday. If it's before Friday you can count me out.

Any day after Friday and I am so there. I would say Saturday so more people can join. Although don't expect many, a ping of 100+ isn't fun.

At 6/16/09 01:45 PM, sirbobsalot2 wrote: Friday 4pm EST?

If I know my timezones that is around 10am GMT, cutting most Europeans in this group who actually have a job/school out of the game :(

No. We're four hours ahead of them. So it would be 8pm. No actually 9pm, as the time is missing out Daylight Savings Time. So five hours ahead.

Proof.

Fine then, let's say Saturday 4 PM EST.
I'll contact Aksumka to ask him to come online or at least make me admin for one or two hours.

Do we have a server? I'll be down to play for a bit

been forever since ive even touched tf2

At 6/16/09 04:11 PM, Racoonmario wrote: Fine then, let's say Saturday 4 PM EST.
I'll contact Aksumka to ask him to come online or at least make me admin for one or two hours.

Alright, event set. Maybe this time my crap server will be less crap...

As for admins, I'll try and be at this one, but if I'm not, I'll make some of you admins. Since voting failed, if your interested IM me over steam. Bonus points for those of you how have your steam ID at the ready (not a link to your steam profile).

At 6/16/09 04:39 PM, Hellraiser wrote: Do we have a server? I'll be down to play for a bit

Sort of. I'm running a crap one out of an old computer I have here.

been forever since ive even touched tf2

Yes it has. I can't remember the last time I even saw you online.