Section 8

[StCyril]

This is something I really do not understand...

You own your own property, you rent it out, and now the Government is saying that YOU HAVE to rent to the scum of the Earth?

My family had a beautiful cape house, we thought that it would be a nice little extra income every month. What happened... the real estate agent found us a family to rent to. Three kids and a single mother. The moment we realized that they were section 8 and on welfare, we tried to say no. But then we get a call from the DAs office saying we can't do that.

Two month later, we go through the house because the family was complaining that things needed fixing... they had punched holes in the walls, destroyed the wonderful antique bathroom, and aparently the mother's boyfriend had moved in, tore down the fence on the land, and put junked cars he'd been working on all over the place.

The Gov't said to get the place asessed and send them the bill for the damages. The Gov paid thier rent for them, and when they got the bill, did nothing. We could not evict these people, it was illegal to... so in the end, the only way to get them out, was to sell the place, which we did for a fraction of its original worth.

These types of people are scum. Welfare and medicade should not exist. Those who don't work for something, do not deserve to get it.

I love these people who can barely feed themselves, then go out and have kids and expect hard working people to support them. The money that goes into Medicade and Welfare should go into Social Security so there is some available when we retire, and those who go out and have kids they can't afford, those kids should be put into DSS custody and the parents into prison.

Some of us work hard for our money and then get killed by the taxes that come out.

[CommanderX1125]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that all people on Welfare and Medicade are scum, some people just hit a rough patch in their lives. Now, the family you were forced into renting to would meet my standard as scum, there is no excuse that such things should have occured to your property, however I'm slightly doubtful that you could not evict them. What state was this, as it may help to clarify some of the reasoning for such an event.

Anyway, the only thing I can think of why you couldn't evict them was either A. One of them happend to be a states witness (a guess on my part due to the DA stepping in). or B. You could not choose not to rent to them due to their mental instability being an issue. That is, you could not descriminate them due to that, but that seems absolutly crazy, no pun intended. If I had to guess, it would be my first idea, A, as it is the only one that makes any sense, as the Fed. isn't supposed to have any power over private property in that fashion, short of imminent domain.

If I were you I would bring the government to trial (please note, only the government responsible as you don't want to mess with it too much), taking care to have people who have assesed the house previously, vs. the value of the home now and what you got for it. That is, make the government pay for the losses in sale value. Trust me, it can be done.

[LordJaric]

What is section 8?

[CommanderX1125]

Haven't you ever watched MASH? I'm joking, anyway, to get down to the point a section 8 basically means you are crazy, or mentally unstable.

[LordJaric]

At 1/13/08 08:01 PM, CommanderX1125 wrote: Haven't you ever watched MASH? I'm joking, anyway, to get down to the point a section 8 basically means you are crazy, or mentally unstable.

Well in that case, OP call the men in white coats.

[PhoenixTails]

Section 8 = 5150 = 6s and 7s = Nutjob = Fucking Crazy

[0peth]

What the hell?

I really have to read a legal document showing that a family cannot be denied to rent in another family's home in any scenario.

That doesn't seem correct.

You damn well should have asked where it says in the Constitution that a family cannot be denied to rent in another family's home if the landlord decides they are unfit to live for any reason.

[0peth]

Oh, and if it is true that you can't kick them out.

Make their living conditions extremely awful. Turn off their water and lights, and do other things to make their lives in your home so miserable they CHOOSE to leave. THIS, sir, is legal.

And please do so, because your situation sounds very unjust. Massachusetts is very liberal, and it doesn't surprise me the federal government in your state lets things like what is happening with you go on.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

you should be allowed to kick the scum out

[bcdemon]

At 1/13/08 09:27 PM, 0peth wrote: Oh, and if it is true that you can't kick them out.

Make their living conditions extremely awful. Turn off their water and lights, and do other things to make their lives in your home so miserable they CHOOSE to leave. THIS, sir, is legal.

Not sure about the USA, but here in BC Canada, it is illegal for a landlord to deny basic services (water, sewer) to a tenant. It is however up to the tenant to provide their own utilities (electricity, natural gas, phone, cable, etc.). On the flip side, here in BC, if you rent your house out to a person who turns it into a grow-op (marijuana growing operation), you as the homeowner are responsible for all damages. If the house you own gets busted as a grow-op, it will be condemned and closed until it is renovated, inspected and deemed livable. But landlords do have the right to inspect the home once a month, providing they give a 24 hour notice of entry.

[Boltrig]

At 1/13/08 08:01 PM, CommanderX1125 wrote: Haven't you ever watched MASH? I'm joking, anyway, to get down to the point a section 8 basically means you are crazy, or mentally unstable.

Thats the millitary definition of section 8. The more appropriate one here is :

"The Housing Choice Voucher Program is a type of Federal assistance provided by the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) dedicated to sponsoring subsidized housing for low-income families and individuals. It is more commonly known as Section 8, the reference to the portion of the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 under which the original subsidy program was authorized."

[Boltrig]

Sorry for the double post, but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(
housing)#Summary_of_the_program

In addition, landlords, though required to meet fair housing laws, are not required to participate in the Section 8 program.

So why are you?

[LazyDrunk]

At 1/15/08 03:35 AM, Boltrig wrote: So why are you?

Forgive me if I'm off-base, but I think the topic starter just accepts whatever the guv tells him. Obviously the guys family agreed to let the single mother +3 stay there before the shit hit the fan. \

YOU GUYS didn't do your homework :)

It's my understanding that landlords get access to a potential renters information, including social security entitlements. Please correct me if Massachusetts 'privacy law' cornholes real people into what just happened to that guy. But it read as though the real estate agent came to you with the idea so you could get a tax break by helping the guv house the hobos it doesn't want to deal with.

My advice? Don't give the government the chance to dick you, because although they might tease and act like a gentleman at first, they'll go balls-deep inyour rectal tract faster than you can say, "where do I sign?"

[Kazuhiro]

I hear stories like this a lot from my own parents. My dad's a dentist and he used to do dental work for people on welfare. Used to, because apparently it was just a massive pain in the ass and was no longer worth it, not even with the knowledge that it was the right thing to do.

So I have to hear a lot of Republican-esque ranting from my mom whenever the subject comes up. I try to play devil's advocate, but I can't. She's the one with firsthand knowledge, not me.

[SmilezRoyale]

Ever wonder when history books will stop talking about the plight of the peasantry and their intermittent rebellions and reforms and returns to plight?

[StCyril]

At 1/15/08 09:45 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: It's my understanding that landlords get access to a potential renters information, including social security entitlements. Please correct me if Massachusetts 'privacy law' cornholes real people into what just happened to that guy.

Unfortunitly I believe it does. Remember "Taxachussetts." This state has so many problems we're currently suffering from an out-flux of people. No one wants to live here anymore... hell the only reason I stick around is because I love Boston so much.

[jitterman]

well if this is true you should have dragged whoever was running that welfare office out to your house and show them personally what has happoned. I think my Grandmother rented some apartments to section 8 but was able to evict the people.( but it was an apartment and other clients were getting pissed.)