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In short: is there one?

Even for Christians, what purpose is there besides biding your time until you can join God in Heaven, or, alternatively, Hell. Why did God create Man? Do we have a goal we're trying to accomplish? What?

Was God lonely, or what the hell happened?

What is the point to my being alive? I am not going to influence the world in any major way, and even if I were to, in the grand scheme of things it means nothing; all accomplishments eventually wither away.

Give me a reason to keep on living. I see none.

there is none.

As a Christian, I see the meaning of life as taking as many people to Heaven with me as I can before I die.

there is no need to be so depressing,
the meaning of life is to make realitionships and leave your mark upon the world, give life to children and set them up for a good life.

and make flash, that is a way to be remberd ur young youve got
alot to live for :P

At 1/10/08 05:09 PM, reviewer-general wrote: Even for Christians, what purpose is there besides biding your time until you can join God in Heaven, or, alternatively, Hell.

It's a lesson, it's a phase of development in a long chain of phases. In order to progress, we needed to live in the 3-dimensional world, have bodies, feel pain, suffer, and overcome... for the purpose of the experience and the lessons learned.

Life is supposed to be difficult for the purpose of the challenge, life is supposed to be confusing and random, and hard, otherwise nobody would gain from it.

Why did God create Man?

To facilitate the progression of his children - us.

Do we have a goal we're trying to accomplish? What?

Experience, and the facilitation, or rather the beginning of eternal life.

Was God lonely, or what the hell happened?

Before God created the world, we were already with him. Our spirits have been around for ever, so we weren't created for his amusement.

Give me a reason to keep on living. I see none.

Because life is a gift.

Even if you don't want to apply a religious connotation, think about it objectively:

You are a living being, in an enormous universe of inanimate, non-living material. You are literally a cosmic miracle. The chances that the atoms in your body, that were originally created in the center of a star, coalesced into a living, sentient being... they chances are astronomically small. You can either consider yourself LUCKY as fuck, or consider yourself to be blessed by an intentional, intelligent act by a creator.

The fact that someone is alive, given the nature of the universe, should be reason in itself to convince them not to squander it, regardless of whether or not they believe in God.

The purpose of life... is to end.

*takes off Agent Smith sunglasses*

Well, in the Darwinian school of thought, the meaning of all lifeforms is simply to survive, passing their genes on etc.

Everything else we do is just for kicks really.

At 1/10/08 05:09 PM, reviewer-general wrote: In short: is there one?

Of course! The best thing is that it's whatever you want it to be.

Beautifully said cellardoor6

From a Theistic religion viewpoint, life is basically a test. Your purpose is to "pass" and avoid hell/get into heaven and whatnot, while still having a good time here on earth, and perhaps "saving" others from hellfire.

From a Secular viewpoint, your purpose is whatever you make it. For some, it's to have as much fun and enjoyment as possible, for others it is to improve the world as much as they humanly can, and for others it is to find love and so on.
For most people it is a midpoint of these ideas.

Even if you don't believe in the afterlife, this life in itself is pretty damned amazing, and this topic sums things up pretty well.

And just to clarify, you don't have to be an atheist to identify with the ideas presented in the above link.
I think anyone can appreciate them, no matter what you perceive your purpose in life to be.

At 1/10/08 05:33 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: The fact that someone is alive, given the nature of the universe, should be reason in itself to convince them not to squander it, regardless of whether or not they believe in God.

Well that's about the gayest thing I've ever heard.

At 1/10/08 05:09 PM, reviewer-general wrote:

Give me a reason to keep on living. I see none.

It's fun?
I'm not too eager to try being dead either.

There isn't any

There isnt a meaning. Life just is.

If you mean a purpose, well that would be a more sensible question. Still, I dont reckon theres one of them either. Do you reckon any other living creature stresses itself out because it cant find a reason d'etre?

Negative!

Live your life for now. Dont be so emo about it neither.

Ostensibly, life is all you get. Might as well spend it making things better for yourself and others.

Don't let entropy win!

At 1/10/08 05:33 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Even if you don't want to apply a religious connotation, think about it objectively:

You are a living being, in an enormous universe of inanimate, non-living material. You are literally a cosmic miracle. The chances that the atoms in your body, that were originally created in the center of a star, coalesced into a living, sentient being... they chances are astronomically small.

yes if you put it that way (like the atoms just fell in place at the right place in the right moment) it sounds like a miracle, but as you know as well as I, that is not the case.

You can either consider yourself LUCKY as fuck, or consider yourself to be blessed by an intentional, intelligent act by a creator.

yes, religion. It certainly gives the illusion to offer answers while in reality it does not. Not at all.
Luck has not much to do with evolution, althought definatly some.

The fact that someone is alive, given the nature of the universe, should be reason in itself to convince them not to squander it, regardless of whether or not they believe in God.

I dont see how the nature of the universe has any influence on the meaning of life and how it, in combination with 'the fact that someone is alive', should convince me not to squander it.

The proposed question is as old as the world itself and no man has been able to answer it, nor will they be able to in the future(opinion). Any answer is false, so that means for now there is no meaning or purpose at all.

The purpose of life is to do what it can to survive, so it can keep surviving.

The purpose of individual life? Get as many assets as you can but end up dissatisfied with what you have, because evolution doesn't bring people happiness, it only brings them perpetuation.

None. You are going to die simply to allow for the follow up of someone else success or suffering.

<3

Good reading.

At 1/11/08 07:46 PM, reviewer-general wrote:
Good reading.

So we gonna keep those razors in the cupboard now?

<3

At 1/11/08 07:53 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 1/11/08 07:46 PM, reviewer-general wrote:
Good reading.

So we gonna keep those razors in the cupboard now?

<3

Stupid NG for giving me a razor.

Oh, and for the record, I would NEVER cut myself.

If I were to kill myself, I would use pills. No mess and time to rethink things. =)

At 1/11/08 08:10 PM, reviewer-general wrote: Stupid NG for giving me a razor.
Oh, and for the record, I would NEVER cut myself.
If I were to kill myself, I would use pills. No mess and time to rethink things. =)

If you ever do decide to do it...

use chewable vitamins. Do it for me?

I just want to see them start putting warning labels on my Flinstones Chewables.

"Loads of things could've gone wrong for me not to be here, like it was a fucking long shot as a sperm, and it was a long shot for my mum and dad too, and for some woman who lived thousands of years ago, but one day I was conceived, and later born, and got the insanely lucky chance to experience life, and intelligent life no less. Out of phenomenal chance, I occurred, and between two long voids of nothingness, I got to look around and appreciate the world; I got to eat food and drink beer and smoke weed and trip and look at beautiful scenery and beautiful women, I got to feel pain and lust and love and desperation and agony and depression, I got to take a massive shit that I needed, have sex, wank, feel pleasure and shame, listen to music, and do so many crazy things that are fucking fantastic."

This is the most Arrogant, non-encompassing, and unrealistic measure of happiness imaginable...

1) I supose if individuals living off the fat of the land because of being lucky enough to be in a first world country are rich enough to not be uncomfortable about dying and ceasing to exist, because what they have here is good enough for them; Then i suppose it rationalizes why somone living in a 3rd world country with absolutely nothing for them except starvation and death would cling onto the idea that what they are experiencing now is the worst of something better that they will experience, rather than the worst of nothing they will experience. Lets liberate these people and make them feel even worse about their predicament; "Hey your screwed, but don't worry, it's not like you mean anything... Just enjoy it while you can"

And lastly, Untill you are middle aged [And thus have settled yourself into society] I don't see the pleasure in having to face the fact that pain is progress; taking a strictly materialistic angle, the acquisition of materials only useful to flesh creatures that crave them out of creations driving force [evolution] can only be done by living through the stress of fighting for it, and fighting to keep it.

At 1/11/08 09:25 PM, Christopherr wrote: If you ever do decide to do it...

Well, I say now, that's an awkward thing to say.

use chewable vitamins. Do it for me?

Only because I love you.

I just want to see them start putting warning labels on my Flinstones Chewables.

I can see the headlines now..... *daydream*

WARNING: DO NOT INGEST YOUR OWN BODY WEIGHT OF THESE VITAMINS. DOING SO RISKS SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH!

At 1/10/08 08:34 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: And just to clarify, you don't have to be an atheist to identify with the ideas presented in the above link.
I think anyone can appreciate them, no matter what you perceive your purpose in life to be.

It's really nice that you liked that, and you posted in it as a religious person. Really. It does kinda put a nice spin on internet arguing.

Because obviously that's still totally my definition of the 'meaning' of life

At 1/11/08 09:54 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: This is the most Arrogant, non-encompassing, and unrealistic measure of happiness imaginable...

boooo

1) I supose if individuals living off the fat of the land because of being lucky enough to be in a first world country are rich enough to not be uncomfortable about dying and ceasing to exist, because what they have here is good enough for them; Then i suppose it rationalizes why somone living in a 3rd world country with absolutely nothing for them except starvation and death would cling onto the idea that what they are experiencing now is the worst of something better that they will experience, rather than the worst of nothing they will experience. Lets liberate these people and make them feel even worse about their predicament; "Hey your screwed, but don't worry, it's not like you mean anything... Just enjoy it while you can"

Was I talking to people in the Third World, or was I talking to wealthy Westerners? Maybe I'd alter my tone if I was talking to AIDS orphans. Although I still think it's magnificent that even AIDS orphans and babies who die young get to... experience. Like, they're still so fucking lucky. And most people probably enjoy the majority of your life - it's rather condescending for you to claim that poor Africans don't, or can't tolerate the realities of a positive atheist outlook. I'm sure they're thrilled to bits with their families and their happiness.

And lastly, Untill you are middle aged [And thus have settled yourself into society] I don't see the pleasure in having to face the fact that pain is progress; taking a strictly materialistic angle, the acquisition of materials only useful to flesh creatures that crave them out of creations driving force [evolution] can only be done by living through the stress of fighting for it, and fighting to keep it.

Yo man, family means something too. I never said it didn't. It just doesn't mean that much for MY AUDIENCE. I'm writing to a bunch of teens on the internet - I would bring up 'family life' if I was talking to other people. Although that's still irrelevant to the point that

you're lucky to be here, feeling anything

you're even luckier that you're enjoying it

you don't need religion

man I can't believe you were so insulting to my philosophy, idc tho but still sheesh

to advance the human race in a productive and progressive direction............

boy has that gone array

Life is the counter-productive segment of the universe; the changing that eventually consumes the static non-living universe. Without life, the universe would expand to the ends of all measure, eventually colliding into itself in an alternate dimension. Then time & energy will cease to exist. Life is the parasite that clings to its back and feasts on its blood & hide. You won't go to heaven or hell, you won't be reincarnated, you won't become a ghost, you'll just cease exist, period. You've felt happiness, you've felt sadness, but you (as well as I) are incapable of comprehending our own non-existence. Nature doesn't care what happens to you when you die, you just one of BILLIONS of people on this earth, and even that is but an iota compared to all living organisms. If nature didn't feel it necessary to create a system of reincarnation or after life for insects, why do YOU think you're important enough to warrant such? People want to believe that good things happen to good people & bad things happen to bad, but if you go thru life earnestly believing this Heaven & Hell or Karma is going to bite your enemies in the ass and save your loved ones, you'll surprised to find out otherwise (actually, you won't, cause by then you'll be dead). That why the justice system is so important & THATS why the death penalty, not torture or life in prison, is the greatest possible punishment to a human being, b/c you get no second chances, no matter what the story books tell you. Man has a right to live given to him at conception, and to take that away thru capital punishment is cruel and unnecessary in all cases but the most extreme.

Take this to heart, if you will.

Fuck it. The purpose of life is to increase entropy.

At 1/12/08 02:15 AM, Elfer wrote: Fuck it. The purpose of life is to increase entropy.

lol.

That was either a good post, or a great post. I leave NG poli regs to make the final decision.

And the meaning of life is 4 pints of Guinness.