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At 1/12/08 10:58 PM, Attactivist wrote: Ok, are you fucking serious? People have has sexual stimuli for AGES, from the first time a man drew a tit on his cave wall

Do you think he did it out of wonder instead of wanting something to beat off to? I don't even recall any trace of a cave drawing about a human breast, anyways. Show me one?

to the ancient sculptures of mates coupling, to the Tijuana bibles in the early 1900's

They saw sex as holy, not for public entertainment.

to the first issue of Playboy printed in 1953, to the internet age where every sexual act imaginable is one click away. "Pornography or porn is, in it's broadest state, the explicit representation of the human body or sexual activity with the goal of sexual arousal and/or sexual relief." Don't ask me what people did before porn was "invented", it has always existed. How dare you insult my intelligence you prick, maybe your to "high & mighty" to admit it, but that doesn't make it "bad". Maybe you should leave NG and go back to posting on your conservative Christian blog telling everyone how you defended your faith against the sinful "porn hustlers" such as myself.

No, I just don't do it. You're running on the false notion that everyone watches porn, and that's all. I don't care whether porn is sinful or not, but it is certain that the urge to surround oneself with sexual images is a sign of weakness (thank you Smilez for helping there).

Got anything else to say?

...How would one find this "rusty trombone" enticing to look at without at the same time being a freak?

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At 1/12/08 11:44 PM, Christopherr wrote:

to the ancient sculptures of mates coupling, to the Tijuana bibles in the early 1900's

They saw sex as holy, not for public entertainment.

Not the bibles, but the sculptures. The Tijuana bibles were junk.

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Actually you're both right. Or wrong, whatever. There was such a thing as ancient porn, since not every sculpture of a big-tittied chick served a ceremonial purpose. The thing is that, since ceremonial, artistic and religiously-orientated material is more likely to be well-preserved (since it's stored in better locations), when we think of "ancient boobs" we'll usually think of the Venus of Willendorf or Venus de Milo or whatever.
But excavations on more lowly areas of ancient cities show that there were a lot of, let's say, raunchier depictions of nakedness and sexness. It's just that very few of them are left because they were stored on crappy conditions.

But it's also true that most people back in the day didn't have access to the joy of porn. It wasn't nearly as widespread as it is now. Then again, not having any porn doesn't mean that you can't jerk off, I mean, I know I didn't have access to porn during the first 4 years or so I began to spank the monkey.

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At 1/9/08 10:05 PM, Al6200 wrote: I know but it's Australia

Australia with its mixed-as-is reputation for free speech and the like which I think ranks only a few notches above India (not nearly China, but still supressing A, D, and X with a little bit of pepper spray to the philosophical opposition. Unlike China which supresses A-Z excluding maybe J and H with bullets to T)

I think it's a problematic development. And governments need to realize they only exist because of oftentimes long-gone historically important (or not so much) social movements and that they only stay in power because the majority of Homo Sapience has normally looked down upon mindless killing at least within their own group.

Thus you get government. And individuals in government tend to abuse their power to supress opposing views.

The internet is a UNIVERSE of ideas. Which range from supporting slavery to supporting pedophilia to every possible qualm, idea, and political identity awareness out there. And Australia obviously has it's "interests" in "protecting the common citizen"...

From their peers ideas.

Hell, nothing is definite and nothing lasts forever... but politicians like to stay in power.
Go figure.

P.S. Thanks for doing your part to "Spread tha word". I took notice :)

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At 1/10/08 03:29 PM, Grammer wrote: Solution: Come to America

America with its own problems and the oh-so-patriotastic as fuck Patriot Act.

P.S. Australia really DOES rock with its global warming induced drought and cancer ridden retards who don't realize the Aboriginal natives are black for a REASON!. (I.E. Ultraviolet exposure)

But aside from that.... Australia doesn't seem too bad. Although i'm rushing to go live there.

However... all the "protecting kidz from pornography' Ministry of Truth derived propoganda is bullshit.

We ALL looked at porn when we were 13 and 14 if we could get our hands on it. And we're still a mixed basket as always....

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Chances are it's not going to fly either way.
If it does you can just ring up and get it removed from your service, therefore
just having internet like we do now, porn, violence and all.
I've also heard some providers are already telling them to basically get fucked
beacuse the cost of implementing it would be too great.

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At 1/13/08 12:46 AM, Empanado wrote: Actually you're both right. Or wrong, whatever. There was such a thing as ancient porn, since not every sculpture of a big-tittied chick served a ceremonial purpose. The thing is that, since ceremonial, artistic and religiously-orientated material is more likely to be well-preserved (since it's stored in better locations), when we think of "ancient boobs" we'll usually think of the Venus of Willendorf or Venus de Milo or whatever.
But excavations on more lowly areas of ancient cities show that there were a lot of, let's say, raunchier depictions of nakedness and sexness. It's just that very few of them are left because they were stored on crappy conditions.

I understand that, but he implied that those were porn. Those were not porn, because they weren't for entertainment, but for artistic purposes.

But it's also true that most people back in the day didn't have access to the joy of porn. It wasn't nearly as widespread as it is now. Then again, not having any porn doesn't mean that you can't jerk off, I mean, I know I didn't have access to porn during the first 4 years or so I began to spank the monkey.

That's what people should do. The porn element is the addictive and degenarative part of masturbation.

Tell me if this design on a Greek amphora was some kind of kinky rape porn or not:

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WAIT a minute...

So you're telling me that jerking it is ok, but only if you don't do it while watching someone else fucking over the internet?

I fail to see how one is more "degenerate", as you put it, then the other.

and yes, Tijuana bibles are trash, but thats b/c people back then didn't have access to legal pornography with restictions on content.

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"Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said everything possible had to be done to shield children from violent and pornographic online material."
Well, in that case, concerned parents should put their own Internet censors on their computers. The ads at the bottom of the article included several Internet filtering programs which parents could download and use, hopefully removing the need for the government to interfere.
"Senator Conroy said the Australian Communications and Media Authority would prepare a "blacklist" of unsuitable sites." That list of recommended sites could be obtained from the government to use for your own filter, but this censoring should not be imposed on people.

"In Australia, which is supposedly a liberal democracy, the government is saying that the Internet is so full of this material that it must protect us from it by trying to block it." This could be a problem for the U.S., as certain individuals in the Executive Branch could see this censoring program and decide to attempt to implement their own censoring, and under our current Administration, I wouldn't be surprised if the new censoring was used for political purposes.

"Labor makes no apologies to those who argue that any regulation of the Internet is like going down the Chinese road." This remark, in my mind, is admitting that the censoring is similar to China, meaning the censor might remove its "opt out" option, place people who "opt out" on a list of suspicious persons, or use the censor for political ends.

In conclusion, I wish to state that controlling what children see online, which is the main reasoning used by people in support of filtering, is a job for parents, not the government.

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At 1/13/08 12:36 PM, Attactivist wrote: So you're telling me that jerking it is ok, but only if you don't do it while watching someone else fucking over the internet?

Yeah, jerking off is fine, since otherwise you would get blue balls.

I fail to see how one is more "degenerate", as you put it, then the other.

Pornography is immoral because it is libelous and defamatory towards women. It creates false, negative, and harmful images of women.

With that we can say that pornography is sexual violence towards women. Opposite to the findings of the Commission on Obscenity and Pornography, a growing body of research is documenting a relation between exposure to pornographic materials and sexual violence.

Furthermore, pornography promotes myths about women, including:
-Women are always willing sexual partners
-No means yes
-The youngest women are the best sexual partners
-Women sometimes enjoy unwanted sex
-Women enjoy being subordinated
-Women are sexual objects

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At 1/13/08 01:34 PM, Christ-opherr wrote: Pornography is immoral because it is libelous and defamatory towards women...

With that we can say that pornography is sexual violence towards women.

Prove it.

Opposite to the findings of the Commission on Obscenity and Pornography,

"The report [by the COP] was criticized by some of the scientists whose research was utilized; they claim that their results were distorted and are incongruent with the final report. Some believe that Meese minimized evidence indicating that pornography is not dangerous, and others regard the commission members as a pre-selected cohort of anti-pornography campaigners."

a growing body (how vague) of research is documenting a relation between exposure to pornographic materials and sexual violence.

Furthermore, pornography promotes myths about women, including:
-Women are always willing sexual partners
-No means yes
-The youngest women are the best sexual partners
-Women sometimes enjoy unwanted sex
-Women enjoy being subordinated
-Women are sexual objects

Man, now that's just fucking ignorant. I watch porn all the time, and I have a deep respect for women.

Pornography is meant to convey aFANTASY, not a reflection of real life. I know theirs a huge difference between what a person is willing to do in real life versus what some one who is PAID to act will do in front of a camera. In real life, I wouldn't expect my gf to take it up the ass, but that shouldn't stop me from viewing porn were women of less standards do so willingly and get paid for it, and I'm not the kind of person who watches shit were the guy's call them "bitches" and cum on their face, I'm not into that.

By your very logic, I could say action movies are degenerate because they promote the idea that humans are dispensable meat-bags for the protagonist to shoot at. I could say fantasy films are degenerate because the promote drug use & worship of the occult (believe me, this excuse has been used before). Should we ban all of these as well?

I betcha would, ya commie bastard.

I'm disappointed in you, especially since you're an American and you should be against other countries who attempt to censor their citizens though the internet. When you go to extremes to prevent people from accessing these materials, you're in affect increasing the chance that some sick fuck will try his rape fetish out in real life, were as he could has safely satisfied his urges with a towel and a dirty magazine. It won't disappear off the face of the earth, it will just go underground, and then you'll have to deal with the aftermath.

That is all.

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At 1/13/08 04:28 PM, Attactivist wrote:

At 1/13/08 01:34 PM, Christopherr wrote: Pornography is immoral because it is libelous and defamatory towards women...
With that we can say that pornography is sexual violence towards women.

Prove it.

Hellen Longino, an American philosopher who has written multiple books on the subject, has defined pornography as, "sexually explicit material that portrays and endorses degrading or abusive sexual behaviour"

Opposite to the findings of the Commission on Obscenity and Pornography,

"The report [by the COP] was criticized by some of the scientists whose research was utilized; they claim that their results were distorted and are incongruent with the final report. Some believe that Meese minimized evidence indicating that pornography is not dangerous, and others regard the commission members as a pre-selected cohort of anti-pornography campaigners."

Exactly why I said OPPOSITE TO, meaning that I don't agree with the COP's report.

a growing body of research is documenting a relation between exposure to pornographic materials and sexual violence.

how vague

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Man, now that's just fucking ignorant. I watch porn all the time, and I have a deep respect for women.

Except for when you sit down and watch them at a computer? Very believable!

Pornography is meant to convey aFANTASY, not a reflection of real life. I know theirs a huge difference between what a person is willing to do in real life versus what some one who is PAID to act will do in front of a camera. In real life, I wouldn't expect my gf to take it up the ass, but that shouldn't stop me from viewing porn were women of less standards do so willingly and get paid for it, and I'm not the kind of person who watches shit were the guy's call them "bitches" and cum on their face, I'm not into that.

So you like it when women get paid to have sex? Wait, isn't that illegal?
Anal sex, or sodomy? Isn't that illegal in 13 states?

By your very logic, I could say action movies are degenerate because they promote the idea that humans are dispensable meat-bags for the protagonist to shoot at.
I could say fantasy films are degenerate because the promote drug use & worship of the occult (believe me, this excuse has been used before). Should we ban all of these as well?

Those are already censored, dumbfuck. Kids can't buy tickets to R-rated movies. Kids can sit down at computers and look up porn for free. That is why they want to censor it in Australia, and only let adults unsubscribe from the service.

I'm disappointed in you, especially since you're an American and you should be against other countries who attempt to censor their citizens though the internet. When you go to extremes to prevent people from accessing these materials, you're in affect increasing the chance that some sick fuck will try his rape fetish out in real life, were as he could has safely satisfied his urges with a towel and a dirty magazine. It won't disappear off the face of the earth, it will just go underground, and then you'll have to deal with the aftermath.

That's ridiculous. Pornography is linked to rapists, fool.
A study by the US Department of Justice of Sex Offenders reported that 56 per cent of the rapists and 42 percent of the child molesters in the sample said that pornography played a role in their offenses. According to you, these numbers should actually be higher, because everyone watches pornos.

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At 1/13/08 04:54 PM, Christopherr wrote:

Hellen Longino, an American philosopher who has written multiple books on the subject, has defined pornography as, "sexually explicit material that portrays and endorses degrading or abusive sexual behavior"

Who the hell cares what she thinks? According to the dictionary, pornography is "the explicit representation of the human body or sexual activity with the goal of sexual arousal and/or sexual relief." She's obviously biased against pornography.

Exactly why I said OPPOSITE TO, meaning that I don't agree with the COP's report.

So then you don't agree with the COP's report that pornography is linked to violence? Hypocritical much?

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No thanks, I'd rather not look at your crapper.

Except for when you sit down and watch them at a computer? Very believable!

Except? Who the fuck said I was making exceptions? I still respect women, no matter what their profession is. Obviously, you need to learn a little about tolerance, senior.

So you like it when women get paid to have sex? Wait, isn't that illegal?

Not in California or Europe.

Anal sex, or sodomy? Isn't that illegal in 13 states?

Only in southern states who feel they have a right to intrude into the personal lives of their citizens. Did you know that is illegal to sell dildos in Texas? Now THAT'S sexist.

Those are already censored, dumbfuck. Kids can't buy tickets to R-rated movies. Kids can sit down at computers and look up porn for free.

Funny, last time I checked you had to pay for it with a subscription, which BTW a kid couldn't possibly buy without his parents knowing about it...

Pornography is linked to rapists, fool.

OH SHIET NI&&A!

A study by the US Department of Justice of Sex Offenders reported that 56 per cent of the rapists and 42 percent of the child molesters in the sample said that pornography played a role in their offenses. According to you, these numbers should actually be higher, because everyone watches pornos.

Correlation does not imply causation. Besides, how does porn play a part in someone committing rape or child molestation? Chances are, these people were already fucked up in the head to begin with, you can't just say "PRON DID IT", you dumbfuck.

And YES, ask any NG member but yourself and they'll admit to watching porn.

It also looks like you skimmed over a large portion of what I had to say.

And just in case you missed it the first time, here it is again.

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At 1/13/08 06:09 PM, Attactivist wrote:

At 1/13/08 04:54 PM, Christopherr wrote: Hellen Longino, an American philosopher who has written multiple books on the subject, has defined pornography as, "sexually explicit material that portrays and endorses degrading or abusive sexual behavior"

Who the hell cares what she thinks? According to the dictionary, pornography is "the explicit representation of the human body or sexual activity with the goal of sexual arousal and/or sexual relief." She's obviously biased against pornography.

You're obviously biased for it. Everyone has a stance on pornography. Maybe the guy who wrote the dictionary definition was biased for pornography. Let's discount that definition because he's biased!

Exactly why I said OPPOSITE TO, meaning that I don't agree with the COP's report.

So then you don't agree with the COP's report that pornography is linked to violence? Hypocritical much?

It just wasn't a well-done report. I won't agree with it just because it supports my argument.

Except for when you sit down and watch them at a computer? Very believable!

Except? Who the fuck said I was making exceptions? I still respect women, no matter what their profession is. Obviously, you need to learn a little about tolerance, senior.

The very act of watching pornography is disrespect to women, using them as objects for masturbation.

So you like it when women get paid to have sex? Wait, isn't that illegal?

Not in California or Europe.

It's illegal in California too, moron. The act of sex for money is legal in Rhode Island, and brothels are legal to own and maintain in Nevada. That's it.

Anal sex, or sodomy? Isn't that illegal in 13 states?

Only in southern states who feel they have a right to intrude into the personal lives of their citizens. Did you know that is illegal to sell dildos in Texas? Now THAT'S sexist.

What about Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, or Virginia?

Those are already censored, dumbfuck. Kids can't buy tickets to R-rated movies. Kids can sit down at computers and look up porn for free.

Funny, last time I checked you had to pay for it with a subscription, which BTW a kid couldn't possibly buy without his parents knowing about it...

That's a bold-faced lie. You know for a fact that kids can easily

Pornography is linked to rapists, fool.

OH SHIET NI&&A!

The sex offenders admitted it. What's there to argue about?

A study by the US Department of Justice of Sex Offenders reported that 56 per cent of the rapists and 42 percent of the child molesters in the sample said that pornography played a role in their offenses. According to you, these numbers should actually be higher, because everyone watches pornos.

Correlation does not imply causation. Besides, how does porn play a part in someone committing rape or child molestation? Chances are, these people were already fucked up in the head to begin with, you can't just say "PRON DID IT", you dumbfuck.

Take a look at what they were asking the inmates. These people were convicted criminals who told the people taking the polls that porn influenced their actions. They admitted that pornography was part of the cause of their actions. Causation does imply correlation.

And YES, ask any NG member but yourself and they'll admit to watching porn.
It also looks like you skimmed over a large portion of what I had to say.
And just in case you missed it the first time, here it is again.

I ignored it, because it is stupid. There's a neo-Nazi party, too, but that doesn't mean they aren't dipshits.

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At 1/10/08 04:18 PM, Christopherr wrote: WWII would've been lost had they not censored information, so I wouldn't say any censorship.

There is a big difference in censoreing information that has to do with something like a planned attack and something that civilens look at everyday.

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At 1/13/08 04:54 PM, Christopherr wrote:

You're obviously biased for it. Everyone has a stance on pornography. Maybe the guy who wrote the dictionary definition was biased for pornography. Let's discount that definition because he's biased!

First you assume that who ever wrought the dictionary was a guy. Second, a fucking dictionary is a hell of alot more sourceable then some half-ass "philosopher".

The very act of watching pornography is disrespect to women, using them as objects for masturbation.

Women watch porn too, retard. 43 % of most porn website subscribers are women.

It's illegal in California too, moron. The act of sex for money is legal in Rhode Island, and brothels are legal to own and maintain in Nevada. That's it.

and Europe! God, you love misrepesenting my views.

What about Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, or Virginia?

Sodomy laws have only one purpose, to intrude in to peoples personal lives and, in effect, make it illegal to be gay.

That's a bold-faced lie. You know for a fact that kids can easily.

Not if their parents aren't retards...

"Daddy, what's our Zip code, email account, and credit card number"

"Son, why do you need to know that?"

"Oh, nothing..."

The sex offenders admitted it. What's there to argue about?

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Take a look at what they were asking the inmates. These people were convicted criminals who told the people taking the polls that porn influenced their actions. They admitted that pornography was part of the cause of their actions. Causation does imply correlation.

I love how you completely ignored the fact that most of these people are already fucked up in the head. You honestly believe that porn makes you go mad? People always want to take the blame off themselves, and porn is as likely a scapegoat as any.

I ignored it, because it is stupid. There's a neo-Nazi party, too, but that doesn't mean they aren't dipshits.

That's all I needed to hear from you to know your a complete fucktard. Comparing the nazi party to pro-sex feminism.

I find it funny that a man feels he's more quilified to determine wiether or not porn is harmful, especailly when their is a large number of women who see porn for what it is, an ever existing commoditie that can be enjoyed by BOTH sexs, and is not degrading to women in and of it self. That's not to say their is not porn out their that is disrespectful to women, but that not what porn is.

Not once during this conversation did you provide any links, and you appeared to have glossed over much of my arguments.

I've run out of links to give you, but I don't think that would have made much a differnece on your grassroots anti-porn fanatisism that escapes all logic & reasoning. You simply will not budge off your soap box. Know that you've made a complete full of yourself...

Now if you don't mind, i'm off to watch some porn (while it's still legal).

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At 1/13/08 09:19 PM, Attactivist wrote:

At 1/13/08 04:54 PM, Christopherr wrote:

You're obviously biased for it. Everyone has a stance on pornography. Maybe the guy who wrote the dictionary definition was biased for pornography. Let's discount that definition because he's biased!

First you assume that who ever wrought the dictionary was a guy. Second, a fucking dictionary is a hell of alot more sourceable then some half-ass "philosopher".

I'm sorry, it was a robot. Also, I haven't seen any female writers talking about how pornography is good.

The very act of watching pornography is disrespect to women, using them as objects for masturbation.

Women watch porn too, retard. 43 % of most porn website subscribers are women.

So, if porn isn't degrading and doesn't affect the minds of the men and women who watch it, then how come 99% of rapists are men? Obviously porn affects men to believe they should always be dominant.

It's illegal in California too, moron. The act of sex for money is legal in Rhode Island, and brothels are legal to own and maintain in Nevada. That's it.

and Europe! God, you love misrepesenting my views.

I said that sex for money was illegal, and you said "Not in California or Europe," so I called you on your bullshit. That wasn't misrepresenting, just contradicting.

What about Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, or Virginia?

Sodomy laws have only one purpose, to intrude in to peoples personal lives and, in effect, make it illegal to be gay.

WRONGO! The Supreme Court rendered sodomy laws inapplicable to homosexual relationships. Now, they only apply to heterosexual relationships in the 13 states that still have the laws.

That's a bold-faced lie. You know for a fact that kids can easily [find free porn].

I accidentally left off the end of the sentence.

Not if their parents aren't retards...
"Daddy, what's our Zip code, email account, and credit card number"
"Son, why do you need to know that?"
"Oh, nothing..."

I might have taken the liberty to look up a very free, very expansive, pornography website, just for you. It might be against the rules to say it on NG, so, if it existed, its name would probably be redtube.com. It would probably have been very easy to find, too.

Take a look at what they were asking the inmates. These people were convicted criminals who told the people taking the polls that porn influenced their actions. They admitted that pornography was part of the cause of their actions. Causation does imply correlation.

I love how you completely ignored the fact that most of these people are already fucked up in the head. You honestly believe that porn makes you go mad? People always want to take the blame off themselves, and porn is as likely a scapegoat as any.

Mental illness is not to blame. There are no genetic traits for sex offenders. Mental illness would make one unstable enough to be susceptible to the influence of pornography, to the point where he might sexually assault someone. These people were justified in saying pornography influenced their actions.

I ignored it, because it is stupid. There's a neo-Nazi party, too, but that doesn't mean they aren't dipshits.

That's all I needed to hear from you to know your a complete fucktard. Comparing the nazi party to pro-sex feminism.

They are both groups with views so ridiculous that they cannot be taken seriously. The pro-sex feminists believe in prostitution, BDSM, and transsexualism. You told me earlier that there are degrading types of porn, no doubt. You also quoted a source to a group that advocates the most degrading of pornography.

I find it funny that a man feels he's more quilified to determine wiether or not porn is harmful, especailly when their is a large number of women who see porn for what it is, an ever existing commoditie that can be enjoyed by BOTH sexs, and is not degrading to women in and of it self. That's not to say their is not porn out their that is disrespectful to women, but that not what porn is.

A large number, pfff. The vast majority of women do not agree with pornography.

Not once during this conversation did you provide any links, and you appeared to have glossed over much of my arguments.

Look who's talking! You provided a link to a quote known by everyone and a wikipedia article about a group whose views include the legalization of prostitution, which we all know is immoral.

I've run out of links to give you, but I don't think that would have made much a differnece on your grassroots anti-porn fanatisism that escapes all logic & reasoning. You simply will not budge off your soap box. Know that you've made a complete full of yourself...

The only person who gave feedback on the argument called you a monkey, lol. You're the one made a fool of yourself with your pro-pornography junk.

Now if you don't mind, i'm off to watch some porn (while it's still legal).

Because you got outplayed.

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At 1/13/08 07:50 PM, LordJaric wrote: There is a big difference in censoreing information that has to do with something like a planned attack and something that civilens look at everyday.

He had said that all censorship is bad. I just pointed out that censorship helped win WWII.