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Yeah, yeah. I'm a fucking '08 user, I've been around since '04 but I never created an account. I think something like this should be said.

I'm no longer proud to be an American. Why should I? Even if I do get a wonderful high paying job, a beautiful and loving wife and kids, and a two story house with a white picket fence, I'll be screwed over once I retire, there won't be any social security.

"It's no big deal, it's not my generations problem."
How many times do you think political big wigs have thought this? It sickens me.
Our war on "terrorism" is a total lie as well. Is there any country out there who's government doesn't lie to it's people constantly?

This all sounds like your run-of-the-mill rant by some fed up teen, and for the most part, it is but can anyone show me a good side to the USA? All I can see is reasons to move to a small island where the most important news of the day is the weather. So far Grand Cayman is calling my name...

Can anyone give me more then the bullshit the media feeds us?

At 1/6/08 03:45 AM, Imbellis-Capito wrote: Yeah, yeah. I'm a fucking '08 user, I've been around since '04 but I never created an account. I think something like this should be said.

I'm no longer proud to be an American. Why should I? Even if I do get a wonderful high paying job, a beautiful and loving wife and kids, and a two story house with a white picket fence, I'll be screwed over once I retire, there won't be any social security.

Maybe you won't be a spoon fed little brat, and save your own money, invest wisely and live off your savings instead of being a fucking parasite.

"It's no big deal, it's not my generations problem."
How many times do you think political big wigs have thought this? It sickens me.
Our war on "terrorism" is a total lie as well. Is there any country out there who's government doesn't lie to it's people constantly?

What evidence have you been spoonfec to make you believe you are constantly lied too by the government.

USA:
Clean, safe, happy.
That suits me, and if you're responsible with your money, you shouldn't have any problem retiring.

At 1/6/08 03:49 AM, therealsylvos wrote: Maybe you won't be a spoon fed little brat

spoonfed? Have you actually looked at our country? have you read anything that's not mainstream media? It's fucking everywhere except for where it counts.

At 1/6/08 03:55 AM, Imbellis-Capito wrote:

At 1/6/08 03:49 AM, therealsylvos wrote: Maybe you won't be a spoon fed little brat

spoonfed? Have you actually looked at our country? have you read anything that's not mainstream media? It's fucking everywhere except for where it counts.

I've read a lot of stuff that's not mainstream media. Al you gotta do is look or it, but you're apparently too deep in you're mansion to find the door out.

ha. A mansion? so you think I'm one of those spoiled kids who've never had to work for anything in their life, don't you? Try something along the lines of a lower middle class. Nothing comes easy. I know what a dollar is worth.

You know, it's still possible to save for retirement on your own. But I agree, social security needs a major whipping into shape. Better yet, it should be optional.

I'm proud to say that this unspecific multi-topiced forum has 4 more posts than my 2 post recession 'work'

Yeah I'm not proud to be an American either lol

AFAIK, the top 10% of America's wealthiest posess 44% of all monetary resources.
Can't remember the source, don't shoot. I guess that's what the author is poking at.

If you are not content about the American welfare system, come to Scandinavia. We need skilled labour anyhow.. you might have to learn a language though. Ironically, I envy Americans for their opportunity to be independent of their government.. I remember, a state that is powerfull enough to supply you with all you need for a comfortable life is also powerfull enough to take it all away.

And lastly, I would never take pride in what country I am from, even if that country invented videogaming.
How can you defend pride derived from the actions of people that is not yourself?

Alternative media is a joke. What has it ever done for me? What power does it have to monitor and expose corruption in government, educate us on topics we'd otherwise never know about, or gather news from the far corners of the globe so that it'll be next to our eggs and coffee the next morning?

Most of what's considered alt. media is only a forum for extremists, too obsessed with their own imagined struggles and issues that affect no-one but themselves to report on anything noteworthy. Don't waste your time.

At 1/6/08 03:45 AM, Imbellis-Capito wrote: Yeah, yeah. I'm a fucking '08 user, I've been around since '04 but I never created an account. I think :something like this should be said.

The BBS doesn't discriminate against new users. On the contrary, I've never seen anyone flamed because they are new - ever. The people who get flamed are those who make wild and excessive claims with no evidence, and then use personal attacks on others when they are proven wrong.

I'm no longer proud to be an American. Why should I? Even if I do get a wonderful high paying job, a :beautiful and loving wife and kids, and a two story house with a white picket fence, I'll be screwed :over once I retire, there won't be any social security.

You can still save money for retirement via a 401k (high-paying jobs will match a certain % of income), and if you really are that competent you should be able to accumulate assets in stocks.

Social Security helps, but if you really do get a high-paying job then you won't be "screwed". And btw, why would you be "screwed" in the 1st place. If the government is giving out gifts to benefit the less fortunate, why are they screwing you over if they're taking those benefits away?

"It's no big deal, it's not my generations problem."
How many times do you think political big wigs have thought this? It sickens me.

Do you have one example of any politician saying this?

Our war on "terrorism" is a total lie as well. Is there any country out there who's government :doesn't lie to it's people constantly?

Can you cite some examples of these "lies"? Its human nature to sometimes lie, and the government is made up of humans, so the government will of course lie on occasion. Clinton, Nixon, etc. all lied (or misled, if you want to get technical), but what makes you think that people in the government lie more frequently than people outside of the government?

This all sounds like your run-of-the-mill rant by some fed up teen, and for the most part, it is

That doesn't invalidate your points of course

:but can anyone show me a good side to the USA?

What's good about America? Now technically, I should say that you have to prove that there isn't a good side, since it's your argument (burden of proof), but I'll go against what you're saying anyway.

Opportunity. You can be whatever you want. If you want to be an engineer, and work for NASA, nothing is stopping you. If you have the drive and the initiative, there are plenty of schools that will pay all of your need-based aid via grants, and even then, there are numerous small schools that will talented students full-rides.

Don't overlook this. If you have the aptitude, and the drive, you can be whatever you want in America. That's not naive, its the truth.

(Now sure, opportunity isn't exclusive to America, but you sure won't find them on a tropical island in the middle of nowhere)

:All I can see is reasons to move to a small island where the most important news of the day is the :weather. So far Grand Cayman is calling my name...

haha. No, it's not like that. No matter what you may be brainwashed to believe, life on a small, primitive island is no easier than life in America. Sure, life will be simpler. But without modern medicine, health care, science, you'll have to constantly worry about diseases and plagues that you have no power to stop.

Can anyone give me more then the ____ the media feeds us?

Can you prove that the media is lying to you?

I'm happy being an American. But I'm not happy living in New York...

The US has been runned down by it's political system. It is nothing like what the Founding Fathers had envisioned.

There are worse countries out there, but my suggestion is that you try Germany or Mexico. The problem with Germany is that you have to pay a lot of taxes, but you don't have to worry about retirement. Mexico has a horrible retirement system and a huge crime problem, but people are really happy all the time. Living in Mexico is like being in a constant party.

Also, there are many sparsely populated islands in Mexico. Many Americans choose to lease a little plot of land in one of those. A US Air Force Vietnam vet friend of mine did that. He grabbed his plane and went to a desert in Baja California Sur. He built his house and a warehouse for his plane, and he just lived there from the land. Unfortunately, he died recently in a freak accident in the airport.

At 1/6/08 12:42 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Living in Mexico is like being in a constant party.

Yeah, and there's so much partying that people have to rush to the US so they don't die of happiness and laughter from all that fun, right?

At 1/6/08 01:14 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 1/6/08 12:42 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Living in Mexico is like being in a constant party.

Yeah, and there's so much partying that people have to rush to the US so they don't die of happiness and laughter from all that fun, right?

They always party every summer all night long in my neighborhood, hard to sleep when they does so.

full blast

At 1/6/08 01:14 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 1/6/08 12:42 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Living in Mexico is like being in a constant party.

Yeah, and there's so much partying that people have to rush to the US so they don't die of happiness and laughter from all that fun, right?

You'd be surprised. You think they are happy to come to the US? They'd much rather stay in Mexico. But even so, life is much happier in Mexico. Look up suicide rates or however you quantify happiness.

At 1/6/08 02:36 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Look up suicide rates or however you quantify happiness.

World Happiness index do?

Map that shows apaprently Mexico is happier than the US

At 1/6/08 02:52 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

At 1/6/08 02:36 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Look up suicide rates or however you quantify happiness.

World Happiness index do?

Map that shows apaprently Mexico is happier than the US

I liked this very much. Thanks. :) By the way, I enjoyed reading your blog. I've been thinking about writing in mine...

At 1/6/08 03:16 PM, RommelTJ wrote:

At 1/6/08 02:52 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

At 1/6/08 02:36 PM, RommelTJ wrote: Look up suicide rates or however you quantify happiness.

World Happiness index do?

Map that shows apaprently Mexico is happier than the US

I liked this very much. Thanks. :) By the way, I enjoyed reading your blog. I've been thinking about writing in mine...

No problem. There's a load of stuff like that map. Some if it differs with what I posted in that a few have the US as being rated slightly above Mexico, but overall, Mexico seems to score quite highly anyway.

And you actually read my blog? Lol, that's a first :P

Blogs are alright to write and kill a bit of time but I could never really do one properly. good luck with yours if you do attempt it though.

At 1/6/08 03:27 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

No problem. There's a load of stuff like that map. Some if it differs with what I posted in that a few have the US as being rated slightly above Mexico, but overall, Mexico seems to score quite highly anyway.

And you actually read my blog? Lol, that's a first :P

Blogs are alright to write and kill a bit of time but I could never really do one properly. good luck with yours if you do attempt it though.

http://www.happyplanetindex.org/about.ht m

Look at it closely, it's not evaluating how happy a nation is, it's determining how well they meet their own narrow-minded agenda.

At 1/6/08 02:36 PM, RommelTJ wrote: You'd be surprised. You think they are happy to come to the US? They'd much rather stay in Mexico.

Yes, that makes sense. They come all the way to stay in the US in spite of our laws against it even though they like Mexico better.

But even so, life is much happier in Mexico. Look up suicide rates or however you quantify happiness.

Can anybody give some proof that actually determines happiness of a country without spewing hippie bullshit all over it?

This survey of life satisfaction done by Marks et alii has actually been used in studies. There's no way to objectively quantify happiness, this measure might not always be good when it comes to cultural differences and people adapting to misery, hedonic adaptation or something like that but at least it's better than the happy planet index which says more about a country's impact on the environment than actual happiness.

Hi newgrounds, I'm a middle class white male. I technically should and am fucked over in health insurance. But still, my dad's job provides it.

I am not neccessarily upper class but I live in a decent town. Most people here are very happy, and even those left-wing whack-jobs that think the government is slowly taking over their lives, all political bullshit aside, are living nice lives.

I never feel like my rights are ever taken away, and my parents would say the same. Any dream I don't succeed in isn't the fault of the government, and any bad move I make financially, is the fault of capitalism.

However, I love capitalism. It lets people be able to do whatever they want with their hard earned money, with little government interference. And it provides the smart ambitious ones to have their chance at becoming very wealthy.

Socialism to me would be such a boring, unfulfilling, mediocre lifestyle with no chance to ever get ahead.

I have clean water, food, a nice home in a nice town. I'd say that America has been great to me.

So yes, I AM proud to be an American.

At 1/6/08 03:54 PM, Al6200 wrote: Look at it closely, it's not evaluating how happy a nation is, it's determining how well they meet their own narrow-minded agenda.

Meh apologies. Should have read the site properly.

This map does, to my knowledge, actually deal with happiness or ' subjective Well being'( scroll down a bit to see it) and whilst the US does beat Mexico in that map, it does show that Mexico is still quite a happy place, almost equal to that of the UK in fact.

There's a big list at the bottom that gives a precise ranking and points to each nation. Mexico scores 230, UK 237, and the US 247. Not that much a difference, so Romell's initial comment does still stand. Mexico is quite a happy place.

That's from a university so I 'd guess it's more credible than the last one at any rate.

At 1/6/08 04:30 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Romell's initial comment does still stand.

Lolnoitdoesn't:

At 1/6/08 02:36 PM, RommelTJ wrote: You'd be surprised. You think they are happy to come to the US? They'd much rather stay in Mexico. But even so, life is much happier in Mexico. Look up suicide rates or however you quantify happiness.

At 1/6/08 12:42 PM, RommelTJ wrote: There are worse countries out there, but my suggestion is that you try Germany or Mexico. The problem with Germany is that you have to pay a lot of taxes, but you don't have to worry about retirement.

What?
Germany has a higher living standard than us, they're in the top three largest economies right side with Japan and the US, and people don't have to worry as often about social security.

Living in Germany ISN'T a bad thing--
They have the same civil rights and laws comparable with our own... and that's without making claims such as the land of the free and stuff like that.

Now with Mexico--
It's bad-- I lived there for a little while.

And those studies are averages. Some suburbs in the USA will be quite happy with the way things are, and those people will feel proud. Other neighborhoods will not. Same for Mexico, Germany, South Africa, or any country.

I think that happiness is mostly controlled by one self, not government. Even in Cuba or Soviet Russia, many people, the majority in Cuba's case, were quite happy.

Unfortunately, all my opinions come from personal experiences, so I can't provide a link to prove them.

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one"
- John Lennon.

Was the faggy overrated hippie song really necessary?

At 1/6/08 04:40 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/6/08 12:42 PM, RommelTJ wrote: There are worse countries out there, but my suggestion is that you try Germany or Mexico. The problem with Germany is that you have to pay a lot of taxes, but you don't have to worry about retirement.

What?
Germany has a higher living standard than us,

Sorry, bad grammar and composition. I meant to say that the USA is not that bad, and that there are many worse countries out there. The TC said he wanted to go an island, so I suggested that he considered Germany or Mexico instead. Germany, because I love it there. Mexico, because it has many beautiful islands and beaches and because people in those areas are usually happy.

Sorry for the mix-up people. Oh, and by the way, I like the United States, but from my experience people stress to much out.