Idealogies

[Mr-Snickers]

Not sure on my spelling, anywho I was thinking and I got writing... Which style of governing do you personally feel is best? Disregard all history this is strictly theory. How it works in theory, not practice. I'm curious to see others viewpoints on how they think the world or society should work.

Anarchy- No rules, absolute freedom to do whatever you would choose
"It simply means opposed to the arbitrary rule of self-elected usurpers outside the Individual."

Capitalist- The price and cost of everything is determined by the agreement of buyers and sellers. Everything is affectively decided through some form of debate.
"No nation was ever ruined by trade, even seemingly the most disadvantageous. "

Castes- A class system where society and decisions are effectively decided at birth.
"...all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides, they wear black, which is such a beastly colour. I'm so glad I'm a Beta. Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm really awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They... "

Communism- The idea of a classless utopian society based on the sharing of all work and property of the community.
"The absolute equality of all men, from each acccording to ability, to each according to need"

Democracy- Similar to capitalism, people effectively decide and debate the best choice of action together.
"Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be"

Dictatorship- Unquestioned Authoritarian rule
"A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright."

Republic- In a republic, rather then the people deciding together as in a democracy, they elect representitives to act and speak for them. Also known as a representitive democracy.
"Democracy is a regime in which stupidity rules - it is known that there are more stupid than wise men"

[Harry-Feltersnach]

Capitalist Republic (United States 1776-1913)

[Proottalfain]

This is always the problem. In theory, a lot of things would work. I'd say the best would be a society where you would earn your living depending on what you're worth. eg: A good artist would gain money. The capitalist system works a bit like this, but you must be good in some special thing(s) to gain a lot of money. In the real world, a good sportman will be able to earn his living with this only if he's one of the best at it. And even for scientists, you must do researchs on the right domain to gain money. Finding the way the world works makes you gain money only if you do it for a rich company (pharmaceutics).

[SmilezRoyale]

At 1/3/08 07:23 PM, Proottalfain wrote: This is always the problem.

You mean you only earn money if what you do has an actual effect?

[therealsylvos]

At 1/3/08 09:20 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

At 1/3/08 07:23 PM, Proottalfain wrote: This is always the problem.

You mean you only earn money if what you do has an actual effect?

noy effect, value.

[Raenor]

ohh again "the american pride"

the best form doesn´t exists...

in theory, the anarchism is the better, for the absolute freedom of the entire human race...

but it should be too some sort of comunism, i explain, the best way of living in society is a small comunity with people working for each other and other comunities, like : "im a blacksmith, the man next door is a baker, ok, i will give him tools in exchange of bread." and etcetera.
and if the neighborhood has many jobs with entire families working for each other without limits of money, just exchanging...

with a central government, a world government, well distributed, not lazy, neither corrupt...

but its just a dream that i would like to be true...

[The-evil-bucket]

Well communism has never been really tested, as the government always becomes corrupt halfway through the transition, or they don't become truly communistic. Anarchy has never really been tested either.

And the best government depends on a countries current position in the world. Democracy doesn't usually work in an underdeveloped third world country.

You can't just go out and say "This government works for everyone."

[KeithHybrid]

Has anyone thought of looking into hive minds?

[Zeistro]

At 1/4/08 06:03 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Has anyone thought of looking into hive minds?

If they were at all scientifically possible for human beings.

[Slizor]

The problem with this post is that it doesn't go deep enough - it is an opinion poll, nothing more. If you want a more indepth, reflective and critical discussion of different ideologies than you must go to their root claims - such as their views on human nature. It is from foundationalist points (points that are accepted uncritically) that all ideological views are created. If you are able to expose these foundationalist views then you are able to understand that argument between people of different political persuasions is largely useless.....unless you want to start a real debate about human nature or concepts of freedom......

[Christopherr]

At 1/4/08 06:03 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Has anyone thought of looking into hive minds?

Maybe it could get Lindsey Lohan to lip sync with the music.

[Maxben]

Well since you brought up Brave New World, I'm going to vote for the caste system as BNW talk about.
Order and stability is the number one importance in our world and out of all those, this is the only one that has them in the long-term (communism and fascism fall apart eventually).
Castes will be a bit complicated being compromised of ability and breeding. Each caste's children will be bred a certain way for optimal results, but there can be movement within castes. Up for ability and down for disability, and up as a reward and down as a punishment. This movement will be rare but will allow for proper motivation that began lacking in caste systems such as the Indian system (though they did have a religion to back it up).
It would also not be a democracy with the most able person being given full autocratic control (he or she is also from the highest caste). Or, instead of that, we adopt a lot of things from Plato's "Republic" by creating the highest caste not given power due to breeding at all, but ability and they will be known as the Philosopher Kings and can be of any caste, thus insuring the faint idea of possibility that should motivate further.
Once stability is achieved, happiness created by indulgence may be achieved, though laws will hold it from the stagnation of late Roman Empire.
Also, advances in technology and science must be regulated within the system and reform will come so that stability can be kept and society cans till move forward. Think of British Conservatives during the Industrial Revolution and you will understand what I mean.

The average person doesn't care about politics or international troubles, they care about having food to feed themselves and their families, they care about finding free time so they are not literally worked to death, they care about the next goddamn football game, and they cannot be blamed for that! So the lower castes will have their lives made better while holding to the basics they want, while the higher more privileged castes will take the horrible responsibility that is politics and international awareness to offset their clear advantage in life.

Though Hobbes (my personal favorite political philosopher) was a monarchist, I'm sure that he would applaud such a system that chains man's violent nature in an orderly and stable fashion, and allows for a beautiful Utopia! Idiot anarchists like Chomsky on the other hand would freak.

[Kenzu]

SOCIALISM is missing!

Socialism:
A system of freedom and social equality, where people have equal rights and opportunities. Socialism works best in a democratic environment, but is possible in a dictatorship as well.

Socialism is known for creating a society of free health care and education including college education. The statue usually owns many companies and the right to have a job is guaranteed by the constitution of a socialist republic. Talents are supported by the state as well as young families and children through children organisations as pioneers, free kindergardens and devotion through events.

[Al6200]

At 1/4/08 06:00 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote: Well communism has never been really tested, as the government always becomes corrupt halfway :through the transition, or they don't become truly communistic. Anarchy has never really been tested :either.

That's a little bit like saying:

"I designed an experiment to show that the Earth is flat, but no one has ever really done it since they've all found that the Earth is round. So we can't really say if the Earth is flat since no one has tested it properly"

If people have implemented communism to the best of their abilities, and its failed, that's good experimental evidence that it doesn't work. The problem is that your putting the results (equality) into the definition (communism), which is a circular argument.

[v3ng3nc3]

They all have there positives and negatives, so I don't think any would be "the best"