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no, the US is to powerfull military wise, so they dont want us to have so much power.they just say they hate us.

well im pretty sure china hates us but if we stop buying from them there economy will be completely ruined and like 100 million people will lose there jobs and they will go into a depresion and they ereally don't want that so they just try not to piss us off

At 1/1/08 01:11 PM, magnostreak wrote: no, the US is to powerfull military wise, so they dont want us to have so much power.they just say they hate us.

China doesn't hate us at all and doesn't even pretend that they do, and Russia really does hate just about everyone right now (except Belarus)
As for America being toopowerful, it is true that both China and Russia would be fucked if we went to war with them individually, but so would we. Bot hat the same time? We wouldn't even stand a chance. Our economy would be ruined with a loss of trade from China and we couldn't hope to gain a foothold in either country, so even coming close to capturing Beijing or Moscow is a pipe dream. Even if we got close to victory, the Chinese government would pass out guns to their over one billion people population (the Chinese civilian population has mandatory military training, by the way) and Russia would let the nukes fly.

At 1/1/08 03:06 PM, zalecot wrote: well im pretty sure china hates us but if we stop buying from them there economy will be completely ruined and like 100 million people will lose there jobs and they will go into a depresion and they ereally don't want that so they just try not to piss us off

1) China has a whole fifth of the entire world's population, so it'd be more than 100 million.
2) Take a look around. Look at everything you own. Your shoes, your computer, your TV, your video games, your books, your Big Mac, your vagoo; chances are, they all say 'Made in China'. Yeah, they wouldn't be the only ones to suffer.

The cold war is over. Russia are allies, and China is a major trade partner.

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my big mac was made in china and we would buy from diffrent countrys for all our random stuff needs

At 1/1/08 03:06 PM, zalecot wrote: well im pretty sure china hates us but if we stop buying from them there economy will be completely ruined and like 100 million people will lose there jobs and they will go into a depresion and they ereally don't want that so they just try not to piss us off

1) China has a whole fifth of the entire world's population, so it'd be more than 100 million.
2) Take a look around. Look at everything you own. Your shoes, your computer, your TV, your video games, your books, your Big Mac, your vagoo; chances are, they all say 'Made in China'. Yeah, they wouldn't be the only ones to suffer.

wait my big mac was made in china and we would just have to buy from diffrent countryd for our need and they would suffer alot more damage than we would and mabye we would just start making stuff for ourselfs

Well i can tell you for a fact that the Russian people do not hate you, and neither does the government atleast they don't make it public.

The Russian people think of America, as Americans living in bad states think of New York. It's like where everyone wants to be.

I think what could be happening is Russia is being put in a bad light so incase of a future war the American people do not protest. Russia has a lot of oil.

Russia probably
china, they could have some hatred for us but since our econimies are so dependint on eachother their not letting too much anger out.

Russia: Maybe just Putin, and he won't be teh President anymore, but it could be more than Putin.
China: Maybe not, China might still be communist, but they depend on us. We stop trading with China(stop buying their shit), we suffer, they suffer. So going to war with China is a Lose-Lose situation. They lose a lot of money, and maybe the war, and we lose a lot of money, and maybe the war.

Both: fuck no.

Anyways, China and Russia could go ahead and decide that we have been a pain in the ass for too long and decide to declare war on us, but if they do, they are basically going to screw themselves up. If all 3 countries use nukes, then Earth is fucked because the US would be gone, Russia would be destroyed, China would be just be a wasteland, and Earth goes into a nuclear winter or becomes uninhabitable.

damn, I typed that part with my eyes closed.

You make China sounds like a hell hole.

First of all they are not communist, they are a socialist republic. Second, China is much less restrictive then before, they are guarantee to human rights and private property. I am not saying they are not restrictive, i am saying it is a start and it shows how China can change

At 1/5/08 02:19 AM, KwcsStan wrote: You make China sounds like a hell hole.

That's because it is a hell hole.

First of all they are not communist, they are a socialist republic.

They are a communist country with a few euphemisms in their title.

Second, China is much less restrictive then before, they are guarantee to human rights and private property.

Wow, no they aren't.

I am not saying they are not restrictive, i am saying it is a start and it shows how China can change

There has been economic change in China, but they surely haven't had much political or social progress to mirror it given the fact that they still have no democracy, their government continues to brainwash their people and oppress and brutalize anyone who doesn't agree with communist rule.

Oh, and the fact that China does things like execute people for RIDICULOUS reasons and then harvest their organs for sale without their consent.

And it's not like they just harvest them to be resourceful, they convict and kill people for the purpose of harvesting their organs, to meet a quota. They harvest the organs of people in their labor camps, simply for dissenting or belonging to the religion China hates, the Falun Gong.

What a great country.

To be honest, the whole world hates you!

Yeah I can't speak for China and Russia, but I certainly hate America and hope I never need to go there anytime, your greedy and proud beyond reason and ignorant of any other culture of your own. I understand that not all Americans are like that but until you guys start behaving like a great nation you don't deserve to be called a super power.

(I'll bet a lot of Americans response will be: Oh yeah well our country can bomb your country back to the stone age any day of the week).

Too bad that without us, China would become the shit hole that it was before 1960, and Russia wouldn't know what to do with itself after all the Soviet countries it owned turn their backs on them for a pro-democratic Europe.

Second, China is much less restrictive then before, they are guarantee to human rights and private property.

Wow, no they aren't.

Yes they are, it was added at 2004

I am not saying they are not restrictive, i am saying it is a start and it shows how China can change

There has been economic change in China, but they surely haven't had much political or social progress to mirror it given the fact that they still have no democracy

There has been political progress, but it doesn't mean they have democracy yet. It is the small changes that counts.

At 1/6/08 12:28 AM, KwcsStan wrote:

Second, China is much less restrictive then before, they are guarantee to human rights and private property.

Wow, no they aren't.

Yes they are, it was added at 2004

Prove it, you can't.

It's funny that you'd say that it was 2004, and just pull such a random year out of nowhere considering how much the Falun Gong has been persecuted since then, in 2005, 2006, and 2007.

There has been political progress, but it doesn't mean they have democracy yet. It is the small changes that counts.

No, those chances don't count at all when the Chinese government still tortures dissident groups and harvests their organs, provides no freedom of speech, no democracy, and basically has the entire population brainwashed.

I believe in the Chinese system. It's rough, could use some refinement and all, but it has the groundwork for the greatest nation of the world!
We will eventually have to start restricting democracy and libertarianism for our world to function, so we should brake form the brainwash and see the possibilities of it (whether you end up agreeing or not is different than just dismissing it outright).

At 1/6/08 12:44 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 1/6/08 12:28 AM, KwcsStan wrote:

Second, China is much less restrictive then before, they are guarantee to human rights and private property.

Wow, no they aren't.

Yes they are, it was added at 2004

Prove it, you can't.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/consti tution/constitution.html

Amendment Fourth

It's funny that you'd say that it was 2004, and just pull such a random year out of nowhere considering how much the Falun Gong has been persecuted since then, in 2005, 2006, and 2007.

Why are you talking about Falun Gong? It is only a small part of the chinese population.

lol everyone hates you America!

At 1/6/08 08:08 PM, KwcsStan wrote:

At 1/6/08 12:44 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 1/6/08 12:28 AM, KwcsStan wrote:

Second, China is much less restrictive then before, they are guarantee to human rights and private property.

Wow, no they aren't.

Yes they are, it was added at 2004

Prove it, you can't.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/consti tution/constitution.html

Amendment Fourth

That doesn't even mean anything. Because apparently only individuals who uphold communist views get those rights.

It's funny that you'd say that it was 2004, and just pull such a random year out of nowhere considering how much the Falun Gong has been persecuted since then, in 2005, 2006, and 2007.

Why are you talking about Falun Gong? It is only a small part of the chinese population.

LOL that is the PURPOSE of the rights of the individual, because everyone, no matter how small of a demographic they belong to, should be given equal rights.

This is not true in China, they still torture and kill people for simply dissenting.

At 1/6/08 09:12 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 1/6/08 08:08 PM, KwcsStan wrote:

At 1/6/08 12:44 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 1/6/08 12:28 AM, KwcsStan wrote:

Second, China is much less restrictive then before, they are guarantee to human rights and private property.

Wow, no they aren't.

Yes they are, it was added at 2004

Prove it, you can't.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/consti tution/constitution.html

Amendment Fourth

That doesn't even mean anything. Because apparently only individuals who uphold communist views get those rights.

Of course that means something, as I said before, they have to make small changes before they make the big ones.

It's funny that you'd say that it was 2004, and just pull such a random year out of nowhere considering how much the Falun Gong has been persecuted since then, in 2005, 2006, and 2007.

Why are you talking about Falun Gong? It is only a small part of the chinese population.

LOL that is the PURPOSE of the rights of the individual, because everyone, no matter how small of a demographic they belong to, should be given equal rights.

This is not true in China, they still torture and kill people for simply dissenting.

Have you ever seen them "protesting"? They actually set themselves on fire. I am pretty sure they should convince more people to join.

China does not hate America.
But Chinese people are taught to have a very strong sense of nationalistic pride. For the country so to speak. How ever as growing middle class here realises, the country takes a secondary role to self interests (greed). There may be some resentment to Americas role in some of the policies and trade decisions made but there certainly isn't 'hate'.

Self interest and Greed are the driving forces behind *most* of the people choices here. It isn't a terrible life for an average Chinese youth in a city here. But that is because the parents pour everything into their child/children. There are more families with more than one child than you'd think. The younger generation will be fine (25 and younger), it is the older generation that gets the final say though.

China is becoming increasingly restricted towards its' media, both in the papers and online.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/
7171648.stm
The current Chinese president Hu JinTao has made some speeches on it and none of them are good for the short-mid term for freedom of speech. NG has been blocked from China for 6 months now.
This may come to pass in 2012 when he finishes his elected term in office.

At 1/5/08 02:31 PM, Gwarfan wrote: Too bad that without us, China would become the shit hole that it was before 1960, and Russia wouldn't know what to do with itself after all the Soviet countries it owned turn their backs on them for a pro-democratic Europe.

Thats why the world hates you, because of that type of shit you say.
America also has dependency on the Chinese eg. Wal-Mart imports a lot of shit from Asian countries where they can provide a lower cost of production of goods Wal-Mart imports. Plus a lot of other countries are dependent on the Chinese economy (which I'm sure the Americans trade with also) no country can survive without trade (unless its a global empire).

Russia, uh well I'm quite sure all the soviet countries it owns would prefer having oil and natural gas supplies from Russia than have the "freedom" which the Russians seam to be so lacking to you.

Well, I doubt they hate the UK.
I believe they pretty much just hate America. But of cource everyone hates America, so it is no surprise.

Bloody Americans

China hates America because they want to be as powerfull?? Please, Whina is already way more powerfull than the US. If they want they can make the whole economic system crash. If they make a standing army I doubt the US could outnumber them. The government is extremely rich due to the economic boom of the last decade, so they can purchase every weaponry they want... China doesn't hate America, the US is pretty usefull. It makes them tons of money!

Saying Russia hates the US, well, Russia has never liked America, but if Russia and China really hated America, together they could have wiped the US off the world maps already.

At 1/9/08 06:02 AM, Morridir wrote: China hates America because they want to be as powerfull?? Please, Whina is already way more powerfull than the US. If they want they can make the whole economic system crash.

second sentence Whina=China of course, really sorry.

Everybody hates us.

If you travel to another country, you'll see that WE are called the terrorists.

when china decides to invade i reckon russia will too and the arabs world war 3 here we come!

At 1/9/08 06:02 AM, Morridir wrote: China hates America because they want to be as powerfull??

Yes.

Please, Whina is already way more powerfull than the US.

Wow, now they aren't.

China is less powerful in every single conceivable aspect, period.

The US is overwhelmingly more powerful than China.

If they want they can make the whole economic system crash.

Which would hurt their economy more than it would hurt theirs.

China's economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, they are much more dependent on foreign investment and trade than the US is.

If they make a standing army I doubt the US could outnumber them.

China has more people in its military, but its military is inferior to the US in every single aspect. Numbers mean nothing in a modern war, China would get raped. They lack several things that the US has, and they lack the ability to counter these things the US has. Aircraft carriers, stealth bombers/fighters, long-range precision missiles, missile-defense. And all the things China has in the upper end of the spectrum (radar, communications etc..) are supplied by Russia, which are so inferior to the US equivalents that it's basically a laugh.

China may have a whole lot of illiterate peasants in their military, but they are so inferior in training and technology that they would probably have their entire military disabled by the US within a month into a full-scale war (that's if no nukes are involved).

The US could launch precision strikes against all of China's command and control systems and then proceed to mop up the Chinese combat forces which would all be def, blind, and dumb... incapable of coordinating their efforts, and completely incapable of countering US airpower.

The government is extremely rich due to the economic boom of the last decade, so they can purchase every weaponry they want...

Nope, no they can't. They can't purchase American "weaponry", they can either buy old, 3rd party versions of outdated American technology, or they could buy Russian technology which is vastly inferior to US technology.

China's military is literally decades behind the US.

China doesn't hate America, the US is pretty usefull. It makes them tons of money!

China hates the US, because the US is vastly more powerful and is an obstacle for China's ambitions.

Saying Russia hates the US, well, Russia has never liked America, but if Russia and China really hated America, together they could have wiped the US off the world maps already.

No they couldn't. Not without their own countries being completely destroyed.

At 12/27/07 06:35 PM, Bookman60 wrote: I'm pretty sure China does. Why else would they be sending us all of those defective products?

It ain't solely America getting them defective crap, but the whole bloody world, cause China sends all crappy products outside her borders and keeps all the quality stuff for herself.