BNP dullards

[D2Kvirus]

When I got into work yesterday morning, I found a couple of printouts from the BNP lying around (complete with a note saying if they came back, I shouldn't upset them as "they are nasty"), yet all they do is confirm the general moronity of the BNP and their followers.

For a start, the page is headed up with a list of essential books for them to read, which are:
English Warrior - a look at Anglo-Saxon warriors from antiquity to 1066
Hadrian's Wall
Rorke's Drift
Why Civilizations Self-Destruct

OK, for such a pro-Englander party, it's quite amusing that the first three books are eulogising Germans, Italians and the Welsh, which are where those responsible mainly came from. Of course, the second and third ones were to keep the Scots out and shooting African blacks respectivly, if you want to take the dimmest possible view you can feasibly muster (you'll meet them halfway).

But the last one is troubling, as the description reads the reason civilisations fail is duue to "the less capable slice of the population regularly outbreeds the more capable."

Don't they realise that they're actually damning themselves? The reason Britian is a shadow of its former glories is because easily-led knuckle-draggers believe this crap - and these are the less capable slice of our society. They want to drunkenly blame every outside influence for society's ills (and never take a look closer to home), they want to resort to intimidation or violence as a means to get their message across, and they continue to spout ignorance. After all, for the last General Election, one of the BNP's pledges was to stop extending Heathrow airport - the new terminal was already past half-built.

Indeed, you know how weak the BNP segment are when their votes are often protest votes against the Government and the Opposition - although why the Liberal Democrats or the Green Party don't get these votes is never explained (although another weak aspect is people turning up to vote, but knowing fuck all about who's on the ballot - I'd prefer voter apathy to voter ignorance), just as much as voters don't seem aware that spoiled votes are just as viable in the final count.

The second section is just a slip for donation to their general fund, where you can donate £10, £20, £50, £100, £200, £300, £500 or £1000 as "The more money we get, the more we can do to win back our country from those busy wrecking it." This is immediatly rendered hilarious because you can address your cheque to either the British National Party or (wait for it) British Heritage.

British fucking Heritage?!?

The Tower of London is British heritage. The Clifton Suspension Bridge is British heritage. Stonehenge is British heritage. A bunch of football holligans masquarading as a political party as their sloping foreheads keep the rain off their feet is not British heritage - they're representitive of "the inborn, polarised egotistic and altruistic drives which are the biological basis for both the building and collapse of civilisations" as Why Civilizations Self-Destruct apparently proves.

Lastly, you can join The Trafalgar Club (slogan: "England expects"), the BNP's most prestigious fund-raising group...who are based in Cardiff, Wales. You get the feeling Plaidd Cymru laugh and/or cry at this.

Of course, what they forget is the full quote is "England expects every man to do his duty", most certainly not "England expects every pigheaded knuckle-dragging bastard to misquote me a couple of hundred years after my death amidst their other racist propaganda." An easy mistake to make, obviously.

Of course, it's a shame they didn't leave around a copy of the BNP's slant on their leader Nick Griffin being invited (along with Holocaust deniying author David Irving) as a speaker at the Oxford Union - the Oxford Student Union and Oxford Jewish Society were vocal in their protest, while the student body were hardly supporting their invitation (those who were used the fuzzy logic of free speech (Irving served 12 months in Austria before being expelled from their borders for life at the end of his sentence after using that defence when on trial, charged with National Socialist Activities). The BNP are also banned from appearing on any political programming, or using TV to make Party Political Broadcasts.

But let's face it, if the grassroots level of the party is so fantastically blockheaded, it's worth allowing them to speak, just so they can prove how pig ignorant they really are. If a sheet of paper or a leaflet can do it, the TV ban prevents them from proving to a viewership of millions just what a joke they are, and a joke that was never funny.

[D2Kvirus]

I hope the guy working here during the week charged £1 a sheet...

[D2Kvirus]

At 12/23/07 03:13 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 12/23/07 03:10 PM, D2Kvirus wrote: I hope the guy working here during the week charged £1 a sheet...

He should've refused to print them at all to be honest.

Since they appear to have been printed from a disc, I guess it wouldn't have been obvious until they came out of the printer.

Yes, this is how brave the BNP really are - they lack the balls to walk into a place and demand their bile be printed, they merely hide it (see also "cheques can be paid to British Heritage"). They clearly don't have the courage of their convictions - another reason not to vote for them, because when the Far Right have to try and hide who they are, they're obviously ashamed of who they are - or assume a certain percentage of their supporters are.

[Cheekyvincent]

i always seem to think the reason why they have any success is that, white (and im not being racist saying all white people will vote for the BNP or anything) people who are bloody lazy and can't bother to move their ass to earn some money and live off benefits are JEALOUS of people from other cultures who have to work their ass off just to earn slightly more then them, and as they're jealous, they vote for the BNP.

the concepts silly too, oh well, as long as common sense holds up in society, they'll never do anything...

[ErwinR0mmel]

Ah yes the tried and tested approach... blame it on somebody else... I hope they all get beaten up.

[SkeletonGimp]

I once saw a BNP leaflet in my school a few years ago, maybe about four or five. They claimed to "not be racist". Why is it then that I don't see a single black member of the BNP, even if he fills their "criteria" of being a "British Citizen"? Or even a white person of Jewish descent? Jews have white skin too!

I find all forms of facism disgusting, but I tolerate the BNP's existance only because it gives me a laugh when I see spindly old business men [With low grade degrees they parade around to show how 'insightfull' they are] being followed around by football thugs collecting votes, trying their best to look 'friendly'. Worst of all, they reguarly ask veterans of WWII to vote for them, when these men FOUGHT against such pig ignorant right wingers as themselves.

The BNP couldn't handle running a government, especially a fragile economy as ours. Hell, I wouldn't trust them to run a district government, not because of the rules and bylaws they'd make, or sacking immigrant workers, but because of the mess they'd make with admin duties. I don't think the average football hooligan could quite comprehend recording things like P Fourty Five and P Sixty Forms.

[Earfetish]

The BNP get too much shit. They might all be closet racists, but when Griffin gets arrested for calling Islam dangerous, you've got to think 'but free speech'. I read their manifesto, they do have one or two good points, but it does come across like they have absolutely no plans to get elected.

And they never will. Griffin is an 'ex'-white supremacist and even the people who vote BNP couldn't possibly want him for PM.

But they get too much shit. If someone could show me definite proof that their party is explicitly racist, then I might agree.

And Muslims aren't a race.

[Britkid]

What the BNP are trying to do now is to re-model, and to make themselves seem like moderate non-racists who will use kind and generous methods to get whites back into work.

However, this is just a ploy to get into power. Whatever Nick Griffin says, the sensible person will realise that his members will always be crazy racists.

[Earfetish]

Anyway even if they are racist they should be able to pay for TV time and party political broadcasts, and Nick Griffin should be interviewed occasionally, rather than broadcasters assuming they know what his views are.

[Britkid]

For example:

'In April 2006, Sky News confronted the party's national press officer, Phil Edwards. It has been claimed that this is a pseudonym for Stuart Russell,[70] with a tape of telephone conversation the previous year. On the tape Russell could be heard to say that "black kids are going to grow up dysfunctional ... and are probably going to mug you". He responded: "If I thought I was going to be recorded ... I would not have used such intemperate language, but let's be honest about it, the facts are there".[71]'

See what I mean? They may sound racist on the website but there's no doubt that the majority of their members hold those views.

[Earfetish]

At 12/24/07 08:14 AM, TheRoyalEnglishman wrote: See what I mean? They may sound racist on the website but there's no doubt that the majority of their members hold those views.

That's very true, I don't deny it. Nick Griffin used to be very prominent in the White Power movement, and now he's grown his hair and got a suit. But for all we know, he might have grown up.

Like, for all we know, if an interviewer had pressed that guy on his racist comments, he might have clarified that he doesn't think black people are genetically inferior, and that it's all to do with their socialisation, poor areas, subcultures et cetera. The closest they come, as a party, to admitting they're all racists is talking of 'the failed multiculturalism experiment', they don't even say 'deport all the blacks'.

Don't worry, I wouldn't vote for them, and I'm suspicious of people who do, but I think the media's reporting on them is far too quick to condemn.

Which also makes them seem like a worthwhile protest vote. But if they just let them talk, and tie themselves up in being almost-racist-but-not-explicitly, then they would probably be less of a threat.

[Earfetish]

At 12/24/07 07:27 AM, Shalashaska-1 wrote: Why is it then that I don't see a single black member of the BNP, even if he fills their "criteria" of being a "British Citizen"? Or even a white person of Jewish descent? Jews have white skin too!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk /article420930.ece

Patricia Richardson - BNP Jew

I hate to be defending the BNP in this thread, but what's the joy in a thread where everyone agrees anyway?

[Earfetish]

At 12/24/07 08:26 AM, Earfetish wrote:

At 12/24/07 07:27 AM, Shalashaska-1 wrote: Why is it then that I don't see a single black member of the BNP, even if he fills their "criteria" of being a "British Citizen"? Or even a white person of Jewish descent? Jews have white skin too!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk /article420930.ece

Patricia Richardson - BNP Jew

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Ru stem

He's half-Turkish

[Earfetish]

At 12/24/07 08:30 AM, MickTheChampion wrote: Withdrawal from the European Union?

I think we should do a Hell of a lot more ignoring of Europe and the US. Not total withdrawal though.

Corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals?

I didn't know that was one of their policies, but yeah, I've always thought that. If we could trust the police to not indulge in police brutality. Far better than getting a record, getting hauled off to jail, them doing all the paperwork - if they catch someone vandalising property, then the perpetrators can expect a painful whack. If drugs insist upon being illegal, then the punishment should be a small fine or a big bruise.

[Earfetish]

At 12/24/07 08:52 AM, MickTheChampion wrote: Why? Britain is rubbish, I'd rather Scotland be a severed Republic and an involved part of Europe than be joined with you lot - if you plan on ignoring Europe.

I just think we shouldn't care what Europe says. If Europe wants something, and we disagree, then we shouldn't have it. We're fine making our own decisions, we don't need Europe too. They're good for trade, and holidays, though.

In fact, I think this is the only bit of their manifesto I agreed with. And I'm not sure how much I agree with it, either; I want the Euro, too. But I still think it's a worthy position to have.

If drugs insist upon being illegal, then the punishment should be a small fine or a big bruise.

Okay I'm not even going to bother, you're so obviously playing Devil's Advocate that it's no fun.

For real. I know it's a pipe-dream and the police would abuse the power, in fact I would ideally want a kind of anarchist police force with a very loose central authority, but occasional corporal punishment is a step in the right direction, away from the bureaucratic jumble we've got at the moment. Investing in sink estates and a radical new approach to policing are the cure for delinquency - scumbags would act better if they got whacked by the police, rather than told off and driven home.

[morefngdbs]

At 12/23/07 05:41 PM, Cheekyvincent wrote: the concepts silly too, oh well, as long as common sense holds up in society, they'll never do anything...

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If I've learned anything in my short time on this mud ball, it's that "common sense" isn't very common.
IT should be called uncommon sense, It is almost never seen in Goverment (goverment=a group of people uncontroled, who are in control) or in groups of those dissatisfied with anything.

[Mr-Pope]

This country's hatred and paranoia of all things "Europe" is ridiculous. "Ooh the evil Brussels! Eroding our freedoms!".

Britain is already the most separated member of the EU and can negotiate out of regulations/rules/laws we really don't like better than most other members, and in a time where a superpower struggle is imminent it makes sense for Europe to band together. Becoming isolationist is the last thing we need.

And anyone who votes for a 2-bit party that quite openly states it wants to send ethnic minorities back home, put an immediate end to all immigration and effectively invade Ireland as a "protest vote" is a dick.

[morefngdbs]

At 12/24/07 01:38 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: And anyone who votes for a 2-bit party that quite openly states it wants to send ethnic minorities back home, put an immediate end to all immigration and effectively invade Ireland as a "protest vote" is a dick.

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They may be dick's but the National Socialist Party started out small & was widely reguarded as a 2-bit party.
They quickly got the poor & the people who felt that Goverment was doing something for everyone but them, on their side.
There is a lot of disadvantaged persons who believe the way to a better life is to get rid of foriegners, stop imigratin etc.
From dissatisfaction & unrest is how these 2-bit parties can build a base, from which they can become a real power/influence in the politics of a country.

[D2Kvirus]

At 12/24/07 07:27 AM, Shalashaska-1 wrote: I once saw a BNP leaflet in my school a few years ago, maybe about four or five. They claimed to "not be racist". Why is it then that I don't see a single black member of the BNP, even if he fills their "criteria" of being a "British Citizen"? Or even a white person of Jewish descent? Jews have white skin too!

They now have their token Jewish member. See, they are forward thinking!

Of course, if the BNP really represented Britain, how comes they never have any candidates in Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish elections? That's a bit of a gap they've left there.

[D2Kvirus]

It turns out that they wanted to print some more leaflets, with their opinions on immigration and solutions to it - suffice to say these weren't printed off.

[D2Kvirus]

At 12/29/07 02:19 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 12/29/07 11:39 AM, D2Kvirus wrote: It turns out that they wanted to print some more leaflets, with their opinions on immigration and solutions to it - suffice to say these weren't printed off.

Good man, don't give the fascists a platform.

I thought you needed one to construct a gallows?