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Its beginning to be a huge problem. Mexicans jumping to border and throughing rocks and even cinder blocks at the cops and then going t get a job. Its kinda like a cartoon. A man has to jump over fences and through rocks at cops and try to stay in America before they get cought and get as much money as they can before they have to leave.

I'm from new York and moma mia, i see them all the time. I was in Elmont, Queens one time and went to Burger King and I tried to order food and the guy didn't even know what I wanted. I should of game him fake money or soemthing.

At 12/21/07 08:27 PM, JohnnySkul wrote: Its beginning to be a huge problem. Mexicans jumping to border and throughing rocks and even cinder blocks at the cops and then going t get a job. Its kinda like a cartoon. A man has to jump over fences and through rocks at cops and try to stay in America before they get cought and get as much money as they can before they have to leave.

I'm from new York and moma mia, i see them all the time. I was in Elmont, Queens one time and went to Burger King and I tried to order food and the guy didn't even know what I wanted. I should of game him fake money or soemthing.

New York isn't usually a destination of Mexican immigrants-- you're sure it wasn't Puerto Rican?

And no. You should have not "game him fake money or soemthing."

At 12/21/07 04:48 PM, fli wrote: history of the English language

when was this?

But, if we want to learn from history, then we must realize that business moves foward. And that if you want to be successful in business, then you will speak the laguage of business. And right now-- the language of business is billingualism: both English and Spanish.

Or just go broke.
It's a simple matter just like that.

With all the Mercosur and the Regional integration, the IBM HQ in Buenos Aires are requesting applicants to speak Portuguese. =)

At 12/21/07 05:04 PM, fli wrote:

At 12/21/07 05:02 PM, Deragos wrote: i agree that businesses propel us forward, but that is not my argument. yet again you prove to be a moron.

I was talking to someone else.
Be a darling--
stay quiet and make me a sammich.

Big people are talking important things now.

you're funny. i wouldve said the same thing.

okay i was look through this post try to find any reference to the "amero". but it seems maybe you guys havent heard of this. okay you all know about the euro the European currency well for those of you who are out of the loop they are working on one for America Mexico Canada and the other little bits around you guys. this stuff is being kept pretty quite for now. if you manage to find much info on it you would also find that the are working on 3 other currency's. you might be saying "this could never happen" but think how did the american federal reserve get in place? there was a depression and they convinced everyone that it would make everything stabler and now americans throw billions at it every year just to print money (american federal reserve is a private company by the way ie america dont own it). and does anyone else feel the depression coming? notice how that american dolla keeps slipping and the rest of the world has stalled?
i dont know guys but arguing and getting pissed off over people who are just trying to get by and find a way to feed them selves seems like a waste of time to me open your eyes theres bigger shit going down. who cares where people came from or where they live. you need to get over this whole border thing, these are people just like you, you just got lucky where u were born.
come on guys grow a heart if u got a computer then that puts u in like the top 20% of the worlds population. quit complaining and do something for someone else.

i dont know guys but arguing and getting pissed off over people who are just trying to get by and find a way to feed them selves seems like a waste of time to me open your eyes theres bigger shit going down. who cares where people came from or where they live. you need to get over this whole border thing, these are people just like you, you just got lucky where u were born.
come on guys grow a heart if u got a computer then that puts u in like the top 20% of the worlds population. quit complaining and do something for someone else.

no thanx, i like blaming other people for the problems around me. illegals have got to go: doesnt matter if we make em all legal, shot them at point blank range, feed them to rabid dogs, or kik their asses back to their country.

THEY HAVE GOT TO GO.

For africa they have a single currency planned: THE AFRO! i know, Pretty crap eh? What they gonna call a North American Currency? Americos?

Every ethnic group that has come to America en masse has always been hated and discriminated against by the American people. However, most of the time, they were forced to enter by boat or plane, which allows the government to keep tabs on the numbers coming through and adjust immigration policy as such. As an American of Irish descent, I make an effort to be aware of the troubles hungry, impoverished Irish immigrants in the mid 19th century. Whether they were running from famine, the Brits, or whatever, each Irish immigrant was just hoping for something better. However, people in America then had a similar view to Americans now, "Screw them! This is OUR country!" We were stereotyped as violent drunks, and businesses put up signs that read, "Irish need not apply" when they were hiring. We were used as cannon fodder on both sides of the American Civil War (a practice used by our former English oppressors). And so many Irish got jobs where they could, as policemen or firefighters. Thus people were forced to either accept the Irish or risk not being protected. Today, the Irish are an accepted group in American culture.

Now is Latin America's time of immigration troubles in the US. There are differences between the two groups mentioned, Irish and Latin. Ireland is an English speaking country, and has been for hundreds of years. Gaelic isn't really used anymore. The influx of immigrants from our south do not speak English, for the most part, and so they have a more difficult time. Also, they are entering illegally, which is not right. However, these new immigrants are trying to find their place, by taking jobs in restaurants or as landscapers, much like how the Irish took police jobs.

Amnesty is NOT an option, but perhaps an incentive for legal immigration, as well as more severe consequences for illegal immigration, or as some people have complained about, spending American money in Mexico. Europeans are forced to be bilingual or even trilingual to be able to communicate with their many culturally independent neighbors. I am not implying that Americans should be forced to learn Spanish, but a majority of the Americas speak Spanish, so if we Americans want to form a closer bond, then maybe we should meet them halfway, language-wise.

This is not all my views on the subject, but I think that this covers what most of you have been arguing about so far.

Also, AMERICAN IMPERIALISM?!? Pfft!

At 12/22/07 02:17 AM, Deragos wrote: you're funny....

*tersely*
I'm glad that you prove right the saying that idiots are easily amused.

Find it hilarious how cellardoor6 just vanished from the thread after he got owned.

At 12/22/07 06:09 PM, Antarct wrote: Find it hilarious how cellardoor6 just vanished from the thread after he got owned.

He's only awake during the wee hours of the morning according to him.

well i think that the americans (i dont understant why they call thenselves like that) shouldn be angry with people from other country that go to US to work, the hole country was build like that.
I think that they (americans) have a false patriotic feeling that makes them think like that, perhaps its because of the lack of real history, they eliminate all the previous culture and make a lame semi-culture.
And dont worry i will never go to "your" country hahahaha

At 12/22/07 06:59 PM, Aluman wrote: well i think that the americans (i dont understant why they call thenselves like that) shouldn be angry with people from other country that go to US to work, the hole country was build like that.

We don't mind people who come to work. We mind people who come here illegaly, instead of waiting on line like people who abide by the rules. They don't pay taxes, but they suck up money when they receive public education and medical care.
Plus the open borders allows for contraband to come through, as well any number of criminals/and or terrorists.

I think that they (americans) have a false patriotic feeling that makes them think like that, perhaps its because of the lack of real history, they eliminate all the previous culture and make a lame semi-culture.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're funny man.

And dont worry i will never go to "your" country hahahaha

Thank you,

At 12/21/07 01:34 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Most Mexicans believe that the South West US belongs to Mexico!!!

Sadly, they do. And I had thought we fixed that in the S-A War.

These people that don't even respect our sovereignty are invading our country by the millions.

I'm in the middle of Arizona right now, and it really is a shame to have to occasionally speak to a man who cannot speak a lick of English.

let me get this straight, these people come to" your country" and take "your jobs" you guys have seen this episode of south park right "da took our jobs" so when do you guys get it to the big huuromosexual pile? whys it such a big deal if these people are coming looking for jobs, are you afraid that you wont be able to get employment? if so go study get qualified. or is it that you just a racist? do u hate all immigrants what about asians? what about blacks? should we start some camps for these people oh wait you guys already got those, put gas chambers in them yet? i hope that the tables turn one day for u. what is it about americans that make them hate everyone else so much, try turning off ur tv and thinking for yourself. look inside your self why do u really hate these people so much, is it perhaps your afraid of them? the tv keeps telling you that they are responsible for all the crime? keeps telling you that everyones out to get you?

ah i like this post it lets me rant, i have one quote for u all that was used to discibe the american electoral system but it think it just descibes u all nicely
"never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers"
send abuse c/o that that landfill u call a country

At 12/19/07 01:32 PM, Deragos wrote: I live in a border city, and all my life i have notcied how little by little, illegals are cramping our
schools and workplaces.

Big whoop.
:They use our schools as child day-cares while they go off and make some money.
As opposed to Americans, who use them for.....oh wait.

At the end of the day, they return to mexico, and use the money they earned HERE over THERE.

And what's wrong with that? Interdependence is a part of modern life; our clothes are made in guatemala, our toys are made in china, our gadgets come from japan and our tech support is in india.
If people whose lives suck come over here to make money so that they can have a chance to survive when they go back to their own country, why should you care?

i was christmas (no offense to those who believe in some other religion) shopping the other day, at
an already packed mall to see SO MANY mexicans (and those of you who will probably try to point
out that i am a racist, stfu, because i happen to be a mexican myself, a LEGAL).

Ok, so your mall has Mexicans. You live in a border town, get used to it!

What really gets to me is that they dont have to pay taxes; they go to this booth at the entrance and
show their reciepts and get their money back.

As or not paying taxes that is a problem, but maybe if we made it easier and faster for mexicans to immigrate LEGALLY, then there would be fewer illegals and our country would be exactly the same except we'd have more money for the government to put to use in things that need money less than the things they ignore(e.g. schools).

i work at a fast food restaurant,

I'm not trying to be racist, but that's fucking hilarious!

and i constantly frustrated by the fact that EVERY sunday morning, so many people come in who
CANNOT SPEAK ENGLISH.

Do you speak spanish? If yes, than there's no problem. If no, then just don't serve them.

I have family in mexico,

Irony.

and it is aggravating to know that NOT A SINGLE FORM OVER THERE IS IN ENGLISH, which is a load of
(excuse my language) bullshit, since we have VOTING ballets in several languages.

Wait, wait, wait, you're pissed off because forms aren't in english....in Mexico? WTF Man, why do you think that is?! It's because Mexicans are coming to America, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! They don't need forms in english in a country where everybody speaks spanish! There are people in america who speak spanish, a significant ammount. How many people in Mexico speak english? Not nearly enough to merit changing things! I understand it's an inconvenience, but they don't have american forms in lithuanian either, do you think that lithuanian immigrants make up a large ammount of americans? NO! AND THAT'S WHY!

i wouldnt go to a foreign country and not speak a single word of their native language (or in the US's
case, most USED language), and ask them to speak english.

Good.

i also have to point out that not only mexico is causing this problem (although it is #1 on the list) but
much of central and south america as well.

Immigrants have always made up and enriched our country, people come to America in search of opportunity, freedom, and a better life! When someone's life sucks they come to america, and bring all the merits of their culture with them.

At 12/22/07 06:09 PM, Antarct wrote: Find it hilarious how cellardoor6 just vanished from the thread after he got owned.

Wait what?

I didn't get owned by anyone I don't know wtf you're talking about.

Wishful thinking on your part probably.

Oh and Antarct, the funny thing about you saying that is considering I completely and utterly "owned" you in an illegal immigration subject before.

Right here.

Notice how you ran away and never came back?

Apparently you're so desperate for revenge that you pounce for something I didn't even get owned at, and accuse me of the very thing that YOU actually did. Hell, did you even read the link that the guy posted, or the text he posted where the US was referred to as "U$". Totally unbiased source there buddy, funny that you'd consider someone simply copying and pasting from propaganda as any form of owning.

At 12/22/07 04:31 PM, fli wrote:

At 12/22/07 02:17 AM, Deragos wrote: you're funny....

*tersely*
I'm glad that you prove right the saying that idiots are easily amused.

haha, u read minds, huh? yeah, i bet you do. shoudlnt you be kissing illegal ass right now or something?

At 12/21/07 01:08 AM, Deragos wrote: illegal loving liberals

Ah, the irony. Isn't our Conservative President the guy who basically said "fuck the borders" and tried to immancipate all illegals, the illegals that you so intensly hate?

At 12/23/07 01:11 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: tried to immancipate all illegals, the illegals that you so intensly hate?

Immancipate?
Quite a strong word right there...

Anyways-- it's quite obvious now that Derg is either an alt or a troll. He won't last long with such assholish behavior.

At 12/23/07 06:07 PM, fli wrote:

At 12/23/07 01:11 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: tried to immancipate all illegals, the illegals that you so intensly hate?

Immancipate?
Quite a strong word right there...

Anyways-- it's quite obvious now that Derg is either an alt or a troll. He won't last long with such assholish behavior.

I believe that was the word used in the bill Bush tried to push.

That aside, I believe you're right. He sounds like a self-hater to me.

At 12/20/07 03:01 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 12/20/07 12:54 PM, Deragos wrote:

what business of your is it where anyone spends or earns their money?

I do not like illegals getting their hands on my country's money, and using it for their own benefit, to me, its the same thing as stealing.

No, it's the same thing as capitalism. Money, as oppossed to currency, has no nationality.

But they are not Citizens of this country and Mexico even distributes comics telling people how to cross the border properly

At 12/23/07 11:10 PM, crazy-eye2 wrote: ...Mexico even distributes comics telling people how to cross the border properly

That's not completely true-- here is the actual comic.

It does not promote illegal immigration, it even states on the first page that it's better to legally enter the country. It does, however, show the risks, and how to survive and what to look out for.

To say it promotes illegal immigration would be like saying a high school sex ed pamplet promotes sex among teenagers.

All it does is inform people that there are other options besides illegal immigration-- and if people still choose to do this, they at least know the consequences and know how to minimalize them.

What you see is hardly a tactical guide to border jumping, or some Mexican version of the Anarchist's Cookbook.

I think people hate Mexican immigrants because they're Mexican, not because of all the other bullshit they say they hate them for. They hate Mexicans because they're ugly and don't assimilate, that's the real reason, anyone who says anything otherwise is a liar. I mean if we (the United States) were being bombarded by a better looking group of people, say, western Europeans, then Americans probably wouldn't have any problem at all. Even if these western European immigrants didn't learn English or assimilate we probably still wouldn't have as much of a problem with them as we do with Mexicans. But in the same breath white Americans don't have a single problem with Asian immigrants as far as I've seen. I believe that the reason for this is because Asian immigrants come to this country legally and they assimilate very well. All the Asian people I've met speak English, sound American, dress American, listen to American music, etc etc. Every time you see a group of Mexicans they're 95 percent of the time, or more, speaking Spanish, they're usually quiet people which I think raises some apprehension, and they usually don't associate with other races, not even that much with black people who they usually live among. This fact further distances them and makes them even more of an arcane group. And they have way too many children. Do Mexicans not know how to use condoms?

At 12/22/07 09:26 PM, catman03 wrote:

At 12/19/07 01:32 PM, Deragos wrote:

Immigrants have always made up and enriched our country, people come to America in search of opportunity, freedom, and a better life! When someone's life sucks they come to america, and bring all the merits of their culture with them.

What is screwed up is the current surge of IMMIGRANTS who are ILLEGAL, and refuse to be put in the so called melting pot and become one society is screwing up our country so bad that Soon They will have destroyed our Country and it will no longer be a place for immigrants to achieve the so called American Dream.
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The new wave is nothing more than leaches they suck all the resources out of our people witch they do not deserve because they never paid into them, they send money out of our country so we do not even get the revenue off that wile they pay no taxes and apply for every benefit a real American who needs help deserves.
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after all that they spit on us by expecting us to accommodate them more with there inability to speak our language, AT least you would think they would have the decency to learn the language of the place they are stealing blind and destroying, But what do you expect from Criminals?? They are ILLEGAL the word in itself says it all. GET EDUCATED AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK

At 12/23/07 11:10 PM, crazy-eye2 wrote:

At 12/20/07 03:01 PM, Empanado wrote: No, it's the same thing as capitalism. Money, as oppossed to currency, has no nationality.

But they are not Citizens of this country and Mexico even distributes comics telling people how to cross the border properly

And that is relevant to what I said, how?
It's their money, they get to spend it how they seem fit. Wether or not they should be judged, prosecuted or penalised for their illegal status is a different question altogether. But there's nothing wrong or illegal about them sending their money over to Mexico.

Well most immigrants don't come from Mexico itself, but pass through Mexico. So that means people from many central american contries come to america, but many speek spanish already and all have to pass through Mexico, well normally, to get to the USA. I think we should stop putting everything in multiple languages, other countires don't do it for us. Countries in middle America don't put stuff in english even though most of the worlds tourism is from America, so screw them is what I say.

At 12/24/07 10:42 PM, ripoffhitman wrote: Countries in middle America don't put stuff in english even though most of the worlds tourism is from America, so screw them is what I say.

Actually, most places with a high influx of (foreign) tourists both in Central America and elsewhere have signs in English in the areas where it's sensible to do so: currency exchange centers, hotels, attractions, restaurants, banks, shops, etc.
They don't have all of their signs printed in English because they haven't got tourists wandering all over the place, same reason why, as far as I know, there aren't any spanish forms or signs in Alaska.

At 12/23/07 11:48 PM, fli wrote:

At 12/23/07 11:10 PM, crazy-eye2 wrote: ...Mexico even distributes comics telling people how to cross the border properly

That's not completely true-- here is the actual comic.

It does not promote illegal immigration, it even states on the first page that it's better to legally enter the country. It does, however, show the risks, and how to survive and what to look out for.

To say it promotes illegal immigration would be like saying a high school sex ed pamplet promotes sex among teenagers.

All it does is inform people that there are other options besides illegal immigration-- and if people still choose to do this, they at least know the consequences and know how to minimalize them.

What you see is hardly a tactical guide to border jumping, or some Mexican version of the Anarchist's Cookbook.

Wrong version try ebay.com but don't just find a single document that suits your argument. The one I saw showed boys how to swim in river currents, avoid certain people, and a bit of forgery(why?).