Are frames in an webpage bad?

[putzpie]

As the title implies I'm wondering whether frames are a good idea, or not. If they aren't a good idea then could somebody tell me an alternative way? I use frames on my site and I just wanted to know if they're good or bad.

[greenkube]

I wouldn't say they are good or bad, but just an old technology. Some sites still use them, but hardly anyone does because they aren't the best looking feature in a website. I would also imagine it being harder to manage in the long run.

[Anim8or666]

Well, unless you look into the code, it's virtually impossible to see whether you use tables, unless you peer into the HTML code. But yes, div tags are much better. They offer much more flexibility. They can be dragged wherever, and put on top of each other. You could have 3 div tags on top of each other, to create a really good-looking navbar. Just go with the flow.

[That-Is-Bull]

frames*

[Jessii]

Frames are obsolete. They still work but I would never recommend using them. Divs are much more dynamic and you can do a lot more with them. Frames can only be placed in one spot unless you use an iframe, which is still a frame and is not recommended. So divs, css and php includes are the way to go if your site supports php (if it doesn't support php, then shtml includes work pretty much the same way).

[smulse]

At 12/14/07 05:50 PM, Anim8or666 wrote: Well, unless you look into the code, it's virtually impossible to see whether you use tables

Slow loading times on each page is a big give away.

[henke37]

Do not use frames unless you have a very very good reason.
If you do use frames, people can not link to sub pages. You want them to do that.
Also, w3c have stopped writing dtd's for frames, the last one is for xhtml 1.0.

[Snake-Arsenic]

I looked at your site and for that I think frames are not a good idea. An alternative would be a div floated to the left.

[Alphabit]

It all depends how you use them.
Google Images uses frames and it suits its purpose.

[Jessii]

At 12/15/07 07:24 AM, Alphabit wrote: It all depends how you use them.
Google Images uses frames and it suits its purpose.

Yeah but you can't position frames where you want like you can with divs. So frames are not recommended for anything. Google can get away with it because of the way that it's set up.

[elbekko]

The way Google uses it, it's fine.
Alot of browsers, especially mobile browsers, have trouble with frames. Or they do render them but then the frame border is pretty much half your screen.

[putzpie]

Thanks for all the advice! now for my second question, what do <div> tags do, or how do you use them? If anybody knows where a tutorial's at I'd appreciate it very much!

[smulse]

They're used for layout and styled with CSS. w3schools.com is a good resource when starting out.

[putzpie]

At 12/15/07 05:40 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: I looked at your site and for that I think frames are not a good idea. An alternative would be a div floated to the left.

How do you do that?

[Jessii]

At 12/15/07 01:31 PM, putzpie wrote: How do you do that?

Do what smulse said and go to http://www.w3schools.com, learn about divs and css. Floats are mentioned as part of that.

[putzpie]

Thank you all VERY much! I just finished adding the new stuff to the site, so it no longer uses frames :). Although it doesn't look much different, obviously it's still pretty cool!

[SilvaWolf]

When I first started making my website i was lazy and i used frames for my layout, but I found out that CSS and <div> tags are a lot more flexible and make your page look a lot better. I also remembered that i can copy and paste...

[Jessii]

At 12/15/07 04:06 PM, SilvaWolf wrote: When I first started making my website i was lazy and i used frames for my layout, but I found out that CSS and <div> tags are a lot more flexible and make your page look a lot better. I also remembered that i can copy and paste...

I remember when frames were cool to use and when css first came out =O

[elbekko]

I remember when I started web development and was messing with tables as explained in a tutorial and thought to myself "surely there must be an easier way". And there was! Cue div tags and CSS.

[Alphabit]

At 12/15/07 11:00 AM, putzpie wrote: Thanks for all the advice! now for my second question, what do <div> tags do, or how do you use them? If anybody knows where a tutorial's at I'd appreciate it very much!

They allow you to separate a page into rectangular areas which can have a number of properties such as background color/image, alignment, width, height, etc... They are the new standard and should be used instead of the <table> tags.

[putzpie]

^^^ it's alright I switched to <div> tags now, so I think it's safe to say this topic served it's purpose

[Shadow00881]

I don't believe that frames are bad, but I prefer not to use them because they are hard to customize. Div tags are more easily customized through CSS, and tend to have less cross-browser issues.

[smulse]

At 12/16/07 09:47 PM, Shadow00881 wrote: I don't believe that frames are bad, but I prefer not to use them because they are hard to customize. Div tags are more easily customized through CSS, and tend to have less cross-browser issues.

What a way to:
a) Regurgitate things you don't understand that you've just heard other people say and don't know the meanings of
b) Repeat everything that has already been said
c) Give an opinion nobody cares about in a dead thread
d) All of the above

Lets go with D.

[Shadow00881]

Damnit i have over 8 years of web experience, so shut up.

[greenkube]

At 12/17/07 04:01 PM, Shadow00881 wrote: Damnit i have over 8 years of web experience, so shut up.

Your profile says you have 6, so which is it?

You state you are 17, so if its 8 years of experience, I highly doubt you started developing in this field when you were 9. In the off chance I am wrong and you did start at 9, then you need to keep working at it based on your profile website.

[Jon]

At 12/17/07 04:01 PM, Shadow00881 wrote: Damnit i have over 8 years of web experience, so shut up.

Yet you ask about if using frames is bad?

[Shadow00881]

That was putzpie! Putzpie asked that! Im not putzpie!

[Shadow00881]

At 12/17/07 04:11 PM, greenkube wrote:

Your profile says you have 6, so which is it?

It's eight, I have not updated my account in two years, I'll do that now.

!'m 19, with eight years of experience.

You state you are 17, so if its 8 years of experience, I highly doubt you started developing in this field when you were 9.

I started at 11.

:In the off chance I am wrong and you did start at 9, then you need to keep working at it based on your profile website.

That site is only a testing site. I use the server for messing around. Plus, I set up that site temporarily, I am in the process of redoing it.

Thank you.

[Jon]

At 12/17/07 05:03 PM, Shadow00881 wrote: That was putzpie! Putzpie asked that! Im not putzpie!

Oh snap, my apology. I haven't been focusing right lately.

[Shadow00881]

At 12/17/07 05:41 PM, Wreckages wrote:

At 12/17/07 05:03 PM, Shadow00881 wrote: That was putzpie! Putzpie asked that! Im not putzpie!

Oh snap, my apology. I haven't been focusing right lately.

Hey, no hard feelings.

BTW, sweet site. I'm still redoing mine.