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Too bad we kicked your ass with a bunch of farmers with muskets back in the day.

At 12/10/07 01:58 PM, risbolla wrote: YOU didn't do shit. Countries doesn't do shit. If you can't relate more to those induviduals who did shit than that you were of the same nation, then you really got nothing.

Patriots, nearly synonymous with idiots. A disgrace is what you are.

Wow man that was deep... Real deep.. I almost cried.

*claps*

USA ftw

Same shit different day, same fags fighting over different opinions or facts.

Who the fuck cares who did what in the world wars, who cares who invented the best shit thats influenced the world and what not.

Fuck England and the USA. Scotland is the shiznit though.

At 12/11/07 09:56 PM, Mr-Destruction wrote: One thing I must admit is that Englands health care system is much better than Americas.

You have no clue wtf you're talking about.

Take a look at survivability from treatable diseases in the UK vs. the US.

1) If you are a woman with breast cancer in Britain, you have (or at least a few years ago you had, since all medical statistics are a few years old) a 46 per cent chance of dying from it. In America, your chances of dying are far lower - only 25 per cent. Britain has one of the worst survival rates in the advanced world and America has the best.

2) If you are a man and you are diagnosed as having cancer of the prostate in Britain, you are more likely to die of it than not. You have a 57 per cent chance of departing this life. But in America you are likely to live. Your chances of dying from the disease are only 19 per cent.

3) How about colon cancer? In Britain, 40 per cent survive for five years after diagnosis. In America, 60 per cent do. With cancer of the oesophagus, survival rates are low all round the world. In Britain, a mere 7 per cent of patients live for five years after diagnosis. In America, the survival rate is still low, but much better at 12 per cent

4) In Britain 36 per cent of patients have to wait more than four months for non-emergency surgery. In the US a mere 5 per cent do.
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Then look at overall cancer survival... and the US leads all of Europe.

If you want to compare England specifically to the US:

Survival rate of all cancers:

Male

USA: 62.9%
England: 52.7%

Female

USA: 66.3%
England: 44.8%

They don't have better healthcare. They only have a healthcare system that scores better in some areas that are arbitrary and do not reflect healthcare, but instead reflect unrelated favorable variables. Having a higher life expectancy, for example doesn't mean their healthcare is better. When factors outside of healthcare are removed, Americans actually have the highest life expectancy in the wester world.

At 12/9/07 02:53 PM, Stomer wrote: England

Americans did whoop your ass
Twice

Bow

Except in football (soccer).

Maybe next Euro, island dwellers.

At 12/11/07 10:15 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

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Survival rate of all cancers:

Male

USA: 62.9%
England: 52.7%

Female

USA: 66.3%
England: 44.8%

They don't have better healthcare. They only have a healthcare system that scores better in some areas that are arbitrary and do not reflect healthcare, but instead reflect unrelated favorable variables. Having a higher life expectancy, for example doesn't mean their healthcare is better. When factors outside of healthcare are removed, Americans actually have the highest life expectancy in the wester world.

You're just tossing out statistics of Americas life expectancy v.s. England's life expectancy, plus survival of one sickness v.s. the others. that doesn't mean shit about who's is better or worse. If you're trying to argue the life expectancy then do that. Sorry you ride Uncle Sam's cock so much.

At 12/9/07 02:53 PM, Stomer wrote:

We were the first people to attack nazi Germany and fight the whole duration of the war and win...Twice. You did help us America, but only because you were attacked first and because it saved you from the great depression. We may have not won without you, but we fought them on our own for years on end with our own limited resources, if we joined in as late as you guys did, after someone else had done most of the work, we would have owned as hard. You pricks.

You think as if England was very powerful. If i may add,THESE COUNTRIES France, Russia and Italy(Italy joined the Central Powers but soon became neutral, and ended up as an Ally) were fighting with England against Germany, Austria-Hungary, The Ottoman Empire, and Bulgaria, in WW1. United States only entered the war because

1. Germany asked Zimmerman to send a secret letter to the German ambassador who was currently in Mexico. He replied in the message that they would help Mexico in taking back the lost territories, that was currently lost to the United States if they allie with Germany.

2. Unrestricted submarine warfare, also made the Americans join the war. When Germany announced this, they had thought by creating a blockade around Great Britain, to defeat them quickly. Germany gambled, and sanked a ship that was currently carrying 128 American citizens, and 1,110 some English citizens. They had info that the ship was carrying supplies, but they knew it was also a passenger ship.

Also during the time Russia dropped out of the war, since they haven't approved at all in technology and in economy.

Then in WW2, Natzi Germany, thought of a quick strike force which was called, "Blitzkrieg" also called "lightning war". They soon annex Poland. Soon after the fall of Poland, France and Great Britain declared war on Germany. Soon after they declared war on Germany, Hitler devised a plan to take France quickly, then take on Great Britain. Soon, France with unable to keep up with the extremely fast attacks of the Germans, and since the Italians were allies of Germany they sooned help with the invasion, they soon fell. Half of France was occupied while the other half unoccupied.

Once Hitler gained France, and the small countries around it, he set his sights on Great Britain. Hitler first got rid of the Royal Air Force, (RAF) and sooned started bombing London. Since September 7, 1940 to May, 10 1941, Hitler was actually surprised by the resistance. He sooned back off Britain.

Though the British knew, they couldn't fight Germany alone, but they did learn something. Their was a way to stop the German attacks. After that U.S.A. entered the war on the summer of 1941. Soon the Soviet Union, was battling the Germans in the Eastern Front. They held the Germans their till they couldnt take the cold anymore. With just U.S.A, Great Britain, and Soviet Union, it seems the allies were going to have a victory. First the United States and Great Britain first got rid of Italy, soon they helped the Soviet Union at the Eastern Front. Germany.

At 12/11/07 11:12 PM, Mr-Destruction wrote:

You're just tossing out statistics of Americas life expectancy v.s. England's life expectancy, plus survival of one sickness v.s. the others.

I showed that where healthcare can actually be measured... in survivability from treatable diseases, the US excels, and is superior to England.

that doesn't mean shit about who's is better or worse.

Actually it means precisely that. The only studies that show England better are when they measure arbitrary factors that aren't affected by healthcare, and they don't compensate for differences in population and life style... thus measuring a symptom of many things, rather than the affect of the cure.

English have superior life expectancy as a nation as a whole, and this is one of the things that get attributed to their healthcare. But when you show that Americans have a longer life expectancy when factors that are unaffected by healthcare are removed, it shows that Englands higher life expectancy is a result of factors that have little to do with their healthcare, such as lifestyle, environment, racial-make up etc...

If you're trying to argue the life expectancy then do that. Sorry you ride Uncle Sam's cock so much.

You sure suck Michael Moore's chubby cock a lot.

At 12/11/07 11:23 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

You sure suck Michael Moore's chubby cock a lot.

OooooO big man, are you going to try and make your e-Penis larger by adding more loads of crap that you're just copying and pasting of bunch of shit from google or ask jeeves? Because your butthurt woes are just growing old now. You're the one wearing down your wrists, not me.

At 12/11/07 11:30 PM, Mr-Destruction wrote:

At 12/11/07 11:23 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

You sure suck Michael Moore's chubby cock a lot.

OooooO big man

Right after you started that exchange.

are you going to try and make your e-Penis larger by adding more loads of crap that you're just copying and pasting of bunch of shit from google or ask jeeves? Because your butthurt woes are just growing old now. You're the one wearing down your wrists, not me.

Yup, pretty clear that you know you've lost. You can't argue the issue anymore so you resort to hilariously grade-school level antics.

Oh, and copying and pasting and putting in Italics something you get from a website, which you link to, there is nothing wrong with that. I actually argue based on facts... your arguments are based on your whims of imagination, or just consist of you repeating bullshit propaganda that has been pumped into your head.

And you're going to pretend actually citing and quoting sources is somehow less admirable than what you do... which is claim things, which then get disproved by me, and then you resort to gay innuendos exclusively as your last and only resort?

You sound like a broken record

At 12/11/07 11:44 PM, Mr-Destruction wrote: You sound like a broken record

And I rest my case.

You lost, so you just try to salvage your dignity by talking about anything BUT the subject that you got disproved in.

America's healthcare is better than England's in gaugeable areas, which is survivability from treatable diseases. Cancer, one of the biggest killers, if not the biggest killer, in both England and the US, is treated very well in the US, but England lags far behind and has much lower survival rates.

You just saw some agenda-driven bullshit probably from Michael Moore about their healthcare being better, and you decided you were going to repeat it because it's "cool" to appear to be rebellious and edgy. Never mind, you know, you know precisely jackshit about what you're talking about and turn into a rambling homophobic imbecile the moment someone applies some facts to the argument.

At 12/11/07 11:30 PM, Mr-Destruction wrote:

At 12/11/07 11:23 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

You sure suck Michael Moore's chubby cock a lot.

OooooO big man, are you going to try and make your e-Penis larger by adding more loads of crap that you're just copying and pasting of bunch of shit from google or ask jeeves? Because your butthurt woes are just growing old now. You're the one wearing down your wrists, not me.

Well... this was clearly won when you brought forth the sucking cock issue. You turned to a petty insult while he stated facts about WHY America is superior. You guys have kissed our ass for the last 60 years diplomatically so whatever you want to say I'm sure no one in your government agrees with you. We sucked ass in the first two wars but ya know what? Our worst was better than your best. I'm going to point to ONE example of how we're better than you in war. Andrew Jackson led a force to New Orleans against Britain's BEST. You know what Old Hickory did? He beat the queen loving asses off of them and had them surrender. At the end of the day the British had 2,037 casualties. The Americans had 71 casualties. Your total troops 11,000 ours 4,500 that my friend is an old school ass beating.

Which leads us onto the far more important question.
Does anything any of you numerous flame warrers argue about really matter? No, not really.

The only thing we own is fat chicks, the queen and Gagsy.

WHICH IS NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF, NOTHING.

At 12/11/07 08:54 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 12/11/07 08:35 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 12/11/07 08:33 PM, Stomer wrote:

So, what's that? We had 150,000 less trops, but we killed more, and lost less. Shock horror.

Sorry, 175,000 less troops!

Your country also LOST, lost control of its colony, and went back across the Atlantic in defeat, a defeat against a military force that was made up mostly of civilians.

Now, the country that your lost Empire was defeated by, is the world's lone superpower, which your country now depends on (not even mentioning WWII where your country was saved by the US, had its debt forgiven by the US, and was then rebuilt by the US).

Go cry.

America did absolutly fuck all to save Britain you twat, Hitler had given up His invasion Plans on Britain before America even aided Britain, Don't pull shit out of your arse.

At 12/11/07 09:36 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Seriously, what the hell are they teaching you idiots in the UK?

You get proved wrong, so you just repeat what got proved wrong over and over again thinking that maybe the fact that what you said is complete lies will somehow have more credibility.

And what the hell did they teach you in the US?

That it's proving somebody wrong if you mix completely subjective sources with personal insults and wild assumptions?

America are selfish, greedy, ignorant twats who only joined the world wars (late) for personal glory and gains. You can't deny it, otherwise you would have joined straight away.

You also didn't 'save' us because Hitler abandoned his plan to invade Britain long before you selfish pricks joined. You know why he abandoned them? because he was impressed by us, he couldn't defeat us.

We dominated the oceans and along with Russia, France , Poland, Italy and various other nations we practically crippled the Germans military. THEN you joined, and simply finished them off.

You mainly entered to drag your country out of the great depression before you all starved to death, because your that fucking retarded.

AND you were making dodgy deals with Nazi Germany before you entered, how about that eh?

At 12/11/07 10:08 PM, Slightly-Crazy-Dude wrote: Same shit different day, same fags fighting over different opinions or facts.

Who the fuck cares who did what in the world wars, who cares who invented the best shit thats influenced the world and what not.

Agree with that. Same thing as always, just another pissing contest between people who like to claim credit for things they played no part in as individuals.

Your special forces are like our regular soldiers!

The SAS are unparalleled. Suck on that you bitches.

... I WILL OFFER THE BOY SEXUAL FAVORS!

SEXUAL FAVORS BUT HE'S JUST A BOY!

Ah, but WE are British.

Touche

At 12/12/07 12:06 PM, tawc wrote:

America did absolutly fuck all to save Britain you twat

Funny how you keep claiming to the contrary even after it gets proved wrong.

Seriously, none of you Brits can provide a single shred of proof for anything you've said about this issue, it's all "bullocks" and "twat" and "fuck" and that is the staple of your argument.

Hitler had given up His invasion Plans on Britain before America even aided Britain

Hitler gave up his immediate plans, they didn't stop anticipating an invasion of Britain.

Don't pull shit out of your arse.

Lol, I provided facts for everything I said, and you've been meticulously proved wrong after you pull shit out of your 'arse'.

You're fucking hilarious.

At 12/12/07 05:10 PM, Stomer wrote: America are selfish, greedy, ignorant twats

That's coming from the dumb English moron who was bragging about his country having an empire.

who only joined the world wars (late) for personal glory and gains.

Britain only fought because its existence was threatened.

You can't deny it, otherwise you would have joined straight away.

Um the US had isolationist policies. The US had no oath or obligation to come and save Europe. Just like all the other allied powers basically, the US joined when it was itself attacked. But then the US proceeded to be the biggest single factor to allied victory and countries like yours would have been completely doomed if it weren't for this.

You also didn't 'save' us

Um yeah the US did save Britain because the British were getting their asses kicked, already completely lost any position they had in mainland Europe, and could no longer provide for their own military. The US not only provided ENORMOUS amounts of aide to the British free of charge, but the US also took control over the war, did war more against the Germans than the British, supplied the Soviets, and then single handedly defeated an entire Axis power that morons like you apparently forgot existed - the Japanese Empire, which your country did basically jackshit against.

because Hitler abandoned his plan to invade Britain long before you selfish pricks joined.

And you think that even though your country had absolutely NO HOPE at reclaiming Europe, and Germany would have got progressively stronger, you think Hitler would have just looked across the channel and had never made future plans?

Hitler gave up the operation, he didn't abandon the eventual goal of invading Britain outright. The British scored a momentary, temporary, air-based defense. That was all they could do, because they already ceded the majority of western Europe to the Axis.

You know why he abandoned them? because he was impressed by us, he couldn't defeat us.

LOL he basically already defeated you. You had nothing but a temporary, shallow defense against them while the Germans were systematically defeating all your allies around you. All you had was a temporary buffer of safety, which wouldn't have lasted at all were it not for the US.

We dominated the oceans and along with Russia, France , Poland, Italy and various other nations we practically crippled the Germans military.

LOL!!! You're just like tawc, you just make up random bullshit off the top of your head.

Russia's navy was basically nonexistent, they didn't do shit, France and Poland were both invaded and occupied with only meager free troops participating after that, and Italy was an Axis power in case you didn't know.

THEN you joined, and simply finished them off.

Haha the US joined and did way more against Germany than your country ever did. The US was the force that kicked Germany out of Africa, the US did the most in Italy, the US did the most on the western Front in Europe, and all while this was going on, the US was also single handedly fighting the Japanese..

Your country was systematically losing until the US entered the war, and your country still managed to cause several ENORMOUS FAILURES after the US came to carry your asses.

Lol you Brits are so delusional.

You mainly entered to drag your country out of the great depression before you all starved to death, because your that fucking retarded.

Lol, and the US was the only reason your country didn't enter a depression after the war.

The Marshal Plan maybe?

You know, the program through which the US rebuilt your country and several others free of charge. Hell, unlike what your country did in WWI, which was accumulate royalties from the economies of the countries that were defeated, the US rebuilt Germany, Italy, and Japan and now those countries are successful democracies because of this mercy by the US.

Look, not only did the country that was once your subject nation come to save you, not only did they provide the majority of your war material, not only did they win where you never could, but they later rebuilt your country, and forgave all of your debt.

Look at this graph of the relative aid your country got. You actually got more economic aid from the US than France and Germany combined.

That should be humbling to you British. But no, you instead ignore reality and perpetuate your hilariously hypocritical and self-defeating bias because it's too hard on your pride to accept the facts. Your existence is so hilariously ironic, but you ignore it and take an even more ironic stance... you bite the hand that feeds you by criticizing the country that saved you. The US is the only reason your country is relatively successful in the world today, but you can't accept that, you want to maintain pride so you completely rewrite history into a tainted version you are more comfortable with.

Your country was losing, bad. Your country couldn't even provide for itself, let alone retake western Europe. Your country only had a few naval victories, and a few air victories that could be counted to your defense. When the US joined, the US did basically everything, while your country took a secondary role, and still managed to fuck things up from time to time because the US was stupid enough to let your feckless, incompetent Generals plan and command an operation for public relations. What happened? Oh yeah, one of the biggest text book examples of a COMPLETE FAILURE in military tactics in history... Operation Market Garden, basically the first and last time the US ever let the British command a large operation.

Accept the facts, instead of just fabricating them like you Brits love to do.

At 12/12/07 06:21 PM, Stomer wrote: Your special forces are like our regular soldiers!

No, our special forces are like your special forces and your regular soldiers are like our regular soldiers.

Meanwhile your navy is like our coast guard, and your airforce is like our Air National Guard.

The SAS are unparalleled.

Actually it's about parallel with the US Navy Seals, Delta Force, US Marine Force Recon etc..

Our special forces are about the same, we just have way more of them than you do.

Suck on that you bitches.

Your military is so inferior to the US it's almost saddening when you Brits like to talk about your special forces and ignore the full context of the situation. You just repeat bullshit that you have no clue about, meanwhile you ignore how incredibly inferior to the US your military is.

The US military is not only larger with more personnel and equipment, but we have MUCH more advanced technology, and we have many capabilities that no other countries have, and things that YOUR country depends on the US for. The US is the only country with a fleet of modern long-range bombers, the only country with stealth bombers and stealth fighter planes (let alone any stealth aircraft), we are the only country with supercarriers, with independent strategic airlift, independent Global Positioning, the ONLY country with significant force projection.

Your country is incredibly dependent on the US! It's hilarious when Brits suggest they have anything over the US. Your country's military can't even operate without the US! All of Europe (Including your country) depend on the US for GPS, your only access to satellite navigation and guidance is via AMERICAN provided-GPS. Your country, along with the rest of Europe is trying to develop an independent GPS-like system called GALILEO, but it's basically a TOTAL failure, in fact it was HACKED by American college students.

The whole European Union of 27 countries (which includes your country) with its 500 million people, only has 10% of the military capabilities the US has even though the military expenditure is half that of the US, and the US only has 300 million people.

Your country doesn't even have an independent nuclear deterrent. All the nukes and nuke delivery systems that your country has DEPEND ON THE US. They were manufactured in the US, they are OWNED by the US, the US only leases them to you. Your parliament admits this.

All the nukes inside of your country are controlled by the US Airforce. The ones you have on nuclear submarines are the Tridents that are leased to you, and are almost entirely dependent on the US in order to function because they rely on weather and gravitational data, GPS coordinates, US-provided maintenance and repair.

Quit biting the hand that feeds you.

At 12/11/07 11:53 PM, LockDown68 wrote:

At 12/11/07 11:30 PM, Mr-Destruction wrote:

At 12/11/07 11:23 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

You sure suck Michael Moore's chubby cock a lot.

OooooO big man, are you going to try and make your e-Penis larger by adding more loads of crap that you're just copying and pasting of bunch of shit from google or ask jeeves? Because your butthurt woes are just growing old now. You're the one wearing down your wrists, not me.

Well... this was clearly won when you brought forth the sucking cock issue. You turned to a petty insult while he stated facts about WHY America is superior. You guys have kissed our ass for the last 60 years diplomatically so whatever you want to say I'm sure no one in your government agrees with you. We sucked ass in the first two wars but ya know what? Our worst was better than your best. I'm going to point to ONE example of how we're better than you in war. Andrew Jackson led a force to New Orleans against Britain's BEST. You know what Old Hickory did? He beat the queen loving asses off of them and had them surrender. At the end of the day the British had 2,037 casualties. The Americans had 71 casualties. Your total troops 11,000 ours 4,500 that my friend is an old school ass beating.

Wow, you mentioned one Battle. Nearly every single battle in the war of 1812 was to the Americans favour. (Look at battles)
But still the vast majority of battles were won by British. With ushally less troops.

Nevermind Battle of New Oreleans (which I admit was a good victory, all though one of Americas few.) In the Whole war Britain lost 4,400 troops and America lost 6,765 Killed or wounded in action.

So thats not a good example of how America is better than Britain in war. Even The American war of independence which you think was the greatest victory in the history of the world, wasn't that good. It was a fucking rebbelion. America was constantly on the retreat, nearly always defending. Britain won more Battles, Captured more Settlements and basically beat America black and blue. Americas Conventinal continental army who did the majority of fighting lost most battles. And the Militia who Americans think won the war were only annoying, they were the 1700's Taliban or VietCong.

It's a misguided fact that The war was won by the brave milita who used rifles at range against the stupid British who marched in line with shitty muskets, the actuall truth is that both Militarys did most fighting in Block formation and used muskets, because that was the conventinal style of warfare of the time, And the best way of fighting, Gurrelia warfare is good as long as you know the land, But you can't fight battles using it, just small skirmishes, Ambushes and attacking supplies. And Both Militarys used Rifles to Snipe, (infact the British used it first)
Also, if that type of fighting was so amazing, why the fuck did America not use it in the war of 1812??

And for those pathetic misguided american twats who think it was peasents with Pitchforks, The French completley supplied America with weapons, Supplies and Money,o yes if you use it so much in WW2, I'll use it in your war of independence. As well as fighting the Large most important Battles, dealing with the British Navy making it incredibly difficult to fight a war half way across the world.

History repeats itself.

It's the reason Scottish did so well against the might of the Roman Empire, why the American patriots did so well against the British Empire (Not really 'so well') And why The Viet Cong did so well against the American Empire

I'm sorry to break it to you. But American Military History Isn't that amazing. I know you think it is.

American war of Independence, Average victory, Britain didn't think it was worth it.
1812 Indecisive, But Britain did better.
Mexican-American war, was quite impressive, allthough the Mexican army was seriously disadvantaged.
American Civil war, Probably one of the most interesting wars in history. very sad war. Good example of American Hippocracy, the Southern states had just as much right to rebell as America did from Britain, Confederate army was Disadvantaged, but still probably performed slightly better, allthough loosing. General Lee is one of the greatest War leaders in history and in my opinion the second Greatest American war leaders after Eisenhower.
Spanish-American war of independence... Not bad, allthough Spain was a failed empire by that point.
WW1 was a disaster by every Force, America when they joined were as shit as Other countrys were at the start of the war.
WW2, Americas Finest Hour. No doubt.
Korean war, Nothing special bit of an embarrisment.
Vietnam. America didn't perform to their best standard.
Gulf war. Impressive.
Second gulf war, Impressive to start of with, but gurrellia forces once again prove difficult.

You guys do have Muse, Radiohead, and The Smiths; so therefore, you guys are awesome.

At 12/12/07 07:44 PM, Chun-Ll wrote: You guys do have Muse, Radiohead, and The Smiths; so therefore, you guys are awesome.

Indeed.

So what's this thread about?

england and canada ftw 4ever

At 12/12/07 07:49 PM, Ledgey wrote:

At 12/12/07 07:44 PM, Chun-Ll wrote: You guys do have Muse, Radiohead, and The Smiths; so therefore, you guys are awesome.

Indeed.

So what's this thread about?

Someone said something about a group of people I think.

At 12/12/07 07:49 PM, Ledgey wrote:

At 12/12/07 07:44 PM, Chun-Ll wrote: You guys do have Muse, Radiohead, and The Smiths; so therefore, you guys are awesome.

Beatles, Queen. We started the Punk movement. We own in music.