pubs vs. crats

[ElGufoPazzo]

Living in SoCal, every single person is a democrat, except for my family (and obviously a few others but that's aside the point). I'm a not a raving bible republican but I am a republican none the less and if you admit that you are, here, everyone thinks you're an idiot and makes up random republican disses because they think that you're IQ mut be 75. I don't have a problem with you, why do you have a problem with me?

[Lindione]

I agree, you better not insult republicans just cause their republicans or use some stereotype. In my book you better have a reason for something politically and "its not right" just dosen't cut it with me either cause right and wrong can be taken into perspective or any stupid anwser like that without evidence or logic.

[oligarch]

Republicans do the same thing just as much if not more.

[ElGufoPazzo]

I've never met a republican who thought a democrat was an idiotic because of their political views. If you're referring to places like the deep south, they hate intricates, not democrats. On that note, they would hate a liberal republican; it's not about political view, it's about religion and culture for them.

[RobSoko315]

I agree with you, me being in the middle (slightly liberal) view Democrats as being more "accepting" when coming to another one's ideas. However, conservatives just seem to push away others' ideas without giving it any thought. (That's just what I experience, I'm sure this always isn't the case.) But that would be my reasoning

[ElGufoPazzo]

At 12/1/07 11:27 PM, RobSoko315 wrote: I agree with you, me being in the middle (slightly liberal) view Democrats as being more "accepting" when coming to another one's ideas. However, conservatives just seem to push away others' ideas without giving it any thought. (That's just what I experience, I'm sure this always isn't the case.) But that would be my reasoning

I'm saying the opposite, as a republican in Southern California, I'm constantly riticuled as being an idiot for being a republican.

[oligarch]

At 12/1/07 10:03 PM, ElGufoPazzo wrote: I've never met a republican who thought a democrat was an idiotic because of their political views.

I've never met a Republican who didn't think that a democrat was an idiot because of their political views.

[ElGufoPazzo]

What state do you live in, alabama?

[jcorishas]

At 12/1/07 08:47 PM, ElGufoPazzo wrote: Living in SoCal, every single person is a democrat, except for my family (and obviously a few others but that's aside the point). I'm a not a raving bible republican but I am a republican none the less and if you admit that you are, here, everyone thinks you're an idiot and makes up random republican disses because they think that you're IQ mut be 75. I don't have a problem with you, why do you have a problem with me?

They probably think your Republican because that's how you were raised, instead of you intelligently deciding to be one. Because of how they were raised, they think you can't grasp some simple truth that they all can and you must have a different opinion because your stupid (because they can't be wrong, you know).

If you switch Republican to Democrat it still works though.

[JerkClock]

At 12/2/07 08:08 AM, jcorishas wrote: They probably think your Republican because that's how you were raised, instead of you intelligently deciding to be one. Because of how they were raised, they think you can't grasp some simple truth that they all can and you must have a different opinion because your stupid (because they can't be wrong, you know).

Which is argumentum ad populum fallacy. I personally don't have a problem with either view, but do think that quite a few conform to one side or the other because of being raised that way and not because they objectively believe it.

[Drakim]

At 12/1/07 10:03 PM, ElGufoPazzo wrote: I've never met a republican who thought a democrat was an idiotic because of their political views. If you're referring to places like the deep south, they hate intricates, not democrats. On that note, they would hate a liberal republican; it's not about political view, it's about religion and culture for them.

Ann Coulter wrote a book called "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans.", which I have yet to see a single republican say is a bad book. (haven't been searching too much though)

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

At 12/1/07 10:03 PM, ElGufoPazzo wrote: I've never met a republican who thought a democrat was an idiotic because of their political views.

Stick around the politics board then. We have quite a few here.

[Maxben]

No matter what country you are in, opposite political ideologies cause hate and anger. Over here in Canada, I saw a grit (liberal) kid arguing intensely with a tory (conservative) kid over something stupid like health care. And, as my school is mostly tory, the grit kid was being taunted the whole time by the crowd. Eventually, neither side was making any sense whatsoever but were just yelling. Haven't seen something so stupid in my life.
So, the point is, if you have political ideas, the opposite ideas look stupid. From what I understand, democrats think republicans are backwards while republicans are thinking that democrats are destroying American society.
Thank god I'm NDP, just means I hate both of them :)

[SEXY-FETUS]

At 12/2/07 09:12 AM, Drakim wrote:

At 12/1/07 10:03 PM, ElGufoPazzo wrote: I've never met a republican who thought a democrat was an idiotic because of their political views. If you're referring to places like the deep south, they hate intricates, not democrats. On that note, they would hate a liberal republican; it's not about political view, it's about religion and culture for them.

Ann Coulter wrote a book called "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans.", which I have yet to see a single republican say is a bad book. (haven't been searching too much though)

You might as well rename all of that womans books as "Look at me, I need attention!" Vol. 1 Vol. 2 etc...
I have yet to meet a single republican that takes her seriously.
On topic though. I've noticed when ever someone finds out my lean is to the right they seem to turn a bit condescending and arrogent. They honestly think there is no other explanation, aside from serious mental retardation, that you could have a different opinion. I sometimes get the feeling that their only tool to measure a persons intelligence is finding out political affiliation. Even if you were in a good discussion before hand they suddenly turn off to the new ideas and look as if they're speaking with a talking dog. To say they are more open to "new ideas" seems a bit exagerated or more accurately bullshit, because they only seem open to the "new ideas" brought by the same old people.

[Musician]

At 12/2/07 09:12 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

At 12/1/07 10:03 PM, ElGufoPazzo wrote: I've never met a republican who thought a democrat was an idiotic because of their political views.

Stick around the politics board then. We have quite a few here.

Seconded.

[Al6200]

George Bush's IQ is 124-125 just based on his SAT scores.

He's at the top 5%

Bush scored a 1206 on his SAT, 566 of 800 on verbal and 640 of 800 on math.

[Al6200]

Let me correct myself. His old SAT was 570/640, which converts to 1280 on the modern scale. That's 83rd percentile, or an IQ of 115. Not amazing for the leader of the free world, but a far cry from the 5th percentile 70 IQ that people tag onto Bush.

But this should show everyone - SATs aren't everything. Just because you do well like Bush, doesn't mean you'll be a great president.

[TWO-GUN-KACEY]

Don't think that just because one person is a Democrat, they'll automatically hate a Republican.
It's people, period, who hate. Not just being on a certain side of the fence. It's crappy, but it's humanity. Here (Florida) I've met more Democrats than Republicans, and pretty much all of them cut themselves off from one another. They judge their friendships on it. It's stupid.

But... politics is just as sensitive as religion. "If you're not with us, you're against us." Therefore they're against you.
That's why they don't like you, in a nutshell.

[Christopherr]

At 12/1/07 09:29 PM, oligarch wrote: Republicans do the same thing just as much if not more.

That is because the Democrats really don't think with their brains, but with their hearts. They can't see the hurt that their programs to help people put on the economy, for example. Sure, helping people is a noble thing, but it's just not an effective way to run a government. I'm Republican, and I enjoy helping people, but I keep that part of my private life by donating to charities, rather than wanting to pay money to the government so they can do the same thing.

[jcorishas]

At 12/2/07 08:42 AM, JerkClock wrote: Which is argumentum ad populum fallacy. I personally don't have a problem with either view, but do think that quite a few conform to one side or the other because of being raised that way and not because they objectively believe it.

I realize that its a argumentum ad populum fallacy but that doesn't make it any less true. People judge others intelligence by how close their views match their own, add in polarization of groups and you have clear enmity between Republicans and Democrats. I'm independent so I don't have a problem with either side (most of the time) but, in general, people think their views are right and based on objective evidence (duh) and attribute others differing opinions to flaws in character (or retardation). It's not right but that's human nature, bro.

[Bolo]

At 12/1/07 11:28 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote: Mindless hate is so much more common among leftists.

Fred Phelps.
Ann Coulter (Anti-Semitic, and pro-Nuking any Country that Isn't Protestant).
David Horowitz.
The KKK.
Bill O'Reilly

They are the ones that make endless propaganda videos, blogs, spam up sites,

Every political party does this. The right wing creates bogus sites, blogs, and other things of that nature to prove a political point. The left does the same. Parties vie for power by whatever means necessary, abandoning all scruples faster than you can say, "Propaganda Propagation".

Is that not the nature of politics?

fall for 9/11 conspiracy bullshit,

No. Just, no. The people who you are addressing with this statement are "every single one of the idiots who goes on YouTube to troll videos with chain comments."

bash America at every chance,

Nope. By insinuation of this idea, you are following the format of every conservative argument I've heard in the last fifteen years. Instead of actually understanding the beliefs of the other party, you pull out the old "U ARNT PATRIOTIC ENUFF DIE BIOTCHHHH" argument, mistakenly believing that it proves a point, when all it serves to do is prove that you really are as apathetic and uncaring about anyone beside yourself as you seem.

and are the loudest ones there are.

See the list of nutjobs listed earlier.

They also can never admit they are wrong when evidence in put right in front of them.

Said the evolution-denying, Global Warming-denying, geology-ignoring, WMD-believing right wing Christian.

The majority of them can't spell worth a shit

Wow, it's pretty lame that that's one of the reasons you think the left is bad. I mean, holy crap; They must be really fucking awesome if that's one of the worst aspects about them.

on the Internet and usually the mindless leftists happen to be a little less informed about the most basic subjects than mindless right-wingers.

Sorry, but arguments based on personal experience hold no water. You should know that, man. I've seen plenty of both sides of the spectrum employ uninformed argumentation tactics. For example, you.

FINALLY! An entire site devoted to teaching me how to jack off.

Okay, first of all, what were you doing looking for a site about jacking off? Were you in need of some new wanking techniques, and simply not creative enough to come up with your own? Or were you, perhaps, in search of the cartoon penises drawn as demonstrative aids on the techniques page?

Second, a site about jacking off has absolutely nothing to do with politics.

[JerkClock]

At 12/2/07 10:42 PM, jcorishas wrote:
I realize that its a argumentum ad populum fallacy but that doesn't make it any less true.

No but it isn't a sufficient reason for calling it true either.

People judge others intelligence by how close their views match their own, add in polarization of groups and you have clear enmity between Republicans and Democrats. I'm independent so I don't have a problem with either side (most of the time) but, in general, people think their views are right and based on objective evidence (duh) and attribute others differing opinions to flaws in character (or retardation). It's not right but that's human nature, bro.

Well it's more like people with low IQ's do that, intelligent people would know better than to judge intelligence that way.

[jcorishas]

At 12/3/07 04:16 PM, JerkClock wrote: Well it's more like people with low IQ's do that, intelligent people would know better than to judge intelligence that way.

Please JerkClock, people are petty and belligerent, especially in groups. An intelligent person's just gonna find a quicker way to stick a knife in your back.

[emmytee]

At 12/1/07 08:47 PM, ElGufoPazzo wrote:

:here, everyone thinks you're an idiot and makes up random republican disses because they think that you're IQ mut be 75. I don't have a problem with you, why do you have a problem with me?

"disses"

That is why the otherwise intelligent people around you think that you are stupid.

[Doublelinked]

What I don't understand is why the working class is republican I know it has to do with Reagans politics in the 80's but seriously I don't care what your religion is in a political stand point it really doesn't matter because the separation of church and state. If politics were still based solely economics we would probably be in a better situation than we are in now instead of having a bunch of religious fanatics insisting that we do this or we don't do that(I'm not saying any certain religion is controlling the government just saying that it's given them an unfair representation). But back to my point why would anyone in there right mind do something thats going to hurt there standard of living like voting in someone who's against health care benefits for children (yes i know it was going to be funded by tobbaco taxes but still) or someone who is against welfare (for the record i'm actually not in favor of the current welfare system because people are content to live off it and not seek out employment)? Making politics about values has probably ruined more peoples standard of living then it has to help define rights.

I'm not trying to say I'm right and and anyones wrong.

[a2toedmonkey]

Ah, I don't see republicans as "retarded" i see them as people with an opinion, but that opinion usually leads to things I don't agree with. The reason I personally get hostile with some republicans is that a few of them (mostly the radical- bible waving ones) have their views swayed by things that I consider of little consequence. Another thing, though slightly off topic, is that I am a bit younger, so i have very little to value in tradition, so one of the reasons may be that I don't see eye to eye with them. Altogether though I personally don't call republicans retarded, though you may be seen as such due to president George W. Bush.

[SEXY-FETUS]

doublelink - If you actually look into the veto'd chip bill you'd see that it was going to do very little. The point of it was to punisha group, not help children. And republicans are all for welfare as in helping people who actually need it, but we also dont believe the lazy deserve the help set aside from good will. Personally I'd be happy with any amount high or low spent on welfare if the qualifacations for recieving it weren't so loose.

[JerkClock]

At 12/4/07 01:56 PM, jcorishas wrote:
Please JerkClock, people are petty and belligerent, especially in groups. An intelligent person's just gonna find a quicker way to stick a knife in your back.

An intelligent person would hate you and call you stupid for the right reasons, how they stick knives into backs is irrelevant.

[fahrenheit]

you mean a group makes fun of you for being different?!?!?

NO WAI!