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At 11/30/07 08:13 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Forcing one's thoughts upon others is a common trait in almost all religons. Islam is not the only one.

Crusades, anyone?

I agree.

But Islam DOES have one VERY BIG contender. One which can possibly lead us into an age of hedonistic-nihilism but ground-breakingly deep group and individual thought and behaviour (plus to the stars).

Science.

And last I learned Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wasn't exactly capable of making waveguides, prosthetic limbs, military lasers, space-tech, microchips, pesticides and genetically engineered 'super crops'.

I think he and enough of the other Islamic 'biggies' realize this so that they'll slow down... at least until they die. Because without these things what little they have would become worthless. They might be religious, but I HOPE not entirely foolhardy as well.

At 1/12/08 10:56 AM, Absolutelynothing wrote:
Muhammed is a sacred prophet, he must be protected.

So you have no problem with the fate of theo van gogh?

Numbers, scripts, OIL. Egyptians invented ramps, levers, and paper. Soon came papyrus and pottery. The wheel was invented in Iraq. The list goes on, and on...They may lack technology like America has, but they have made ancient contributions to our land.

Aside from the Number Zero, nothing you mentioned can be attributed to an islamic society.

There are 1.5 Billion of them and only 7 Nobel awards

That makes no difference. The amount of Nobel awards a religion has has nothing to do with the actual followers of the religion.

Of course it does, since the Nobel Prizes acknowledge the leaders of their respective fields, and one society is greatly underrepresented with respect to their population reflects poorly on that society.

The most violent do, but some in Iraq only do because they feel as though America has too much Idolatry.

WTF is that an excuse?

At 1/12/08 11:11 PM, Absolutelynothing wrote:

At 1/12/08 07:37 PM, Gwarfan wrote:

( I just like the name. What if I spell it Mohammid or Mohammod?

You don't know the meaning of the name, do you?
It's considered sacred in the Middle East, so Arabs would get mad at you.
Spelling it like that is okay.

Actually it means "Praiseworthy", and the name has been around before Islam even came into being. So naming a pet Mohammad is the same as naming a pet Moses or Jesus. At least it should be that way. And the different spellings of the name don't have an effect on the meaning I think.

No the Americans will nuke them before they get close

At 1/13/08 01:41 AM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 1/12/08 10:56 AM, Absolutelynothing wrote:
Muhammed is a sacred prophet, he must be protected.

So you have no problem with the fate of theo van gogh?

No, I don't :P

Numbers, scripts, OIL. Egyptians invented ramps, levers, and paper. Soon came papyrus and pottery. The wheel was invented in Iraq. The list goes on, and on...They may lack technology like America has, but they have made ancient contributions to our land.

Aside from the Number Zero, nothing you mentioned can be attributed to an islamic society.

Really? You sure?

There are 1.5 Billion of them and only 7 Nobel awards

That makes no difference. The amount of Nobel awards a religion has has nothing to do with the actual followers of the religion.

Of course it does, since the Nobel Prizes acknowledge the leaders of their respective fields, and one society is greatly underrepresented with respect to their population reflects poorly on that society.

It still doesn't make them inferior (using the word them to speak on behalf of the Muslims).
Even if it does, that's a pathetic excuse for inferiority.

The most violent do, but some in Iraq only do because they feel as though America has too much Idolatry.

WTF is that an excuse?

Yes, that's the reason that Iraqis can be violent. They feel America has too much Idolatry.

At 11/30/07 07:41 PM, Transkar wrote: Anyways, I believe that these Muslim people like to force their beliefs (Not all muslims but a lot of them) onto people.

Right, the ones you see on the news in third-world theocracies constitute "a lot of them." How many Muslims do you actually know personally?

People are afraid to offend them in American and European countries because its politically incorrect to do so.

I agree that this is bullshit, but it's the same with many "special interest groups," except that our country (including you) seems to think all Muslims are quick-tempered terrorists.

Now, I know that stereotypes are not a good thing,

Apparently not.

but it seems everywhere Islam is popping up in is having problems.

Can you name a time when the Middle East HASN'T had problems?

These people claim they are a peaceful religion but Muhammad was a violent person. Their mission is to kill the infidel.

Look up the actual definition of the word "jihad" or read some of the Qu'Ran, dumbass. You're using third-world terrorists as examples of an entire religion. You're clearly just talking out of your ass at this point.

no way if we get thompson that will not fucking happen understand? its not true we will win your brain cells must have spoiled that will not fucking to us we will definatley win NO MATTER WHAT fight 'till you win NO SACRIFICE NO VICTORY we should leave iraq and mind our own buisness for awhile git it? Got it good

Whether on from a purely scriptural view Islam is peaceful or not, it would be foolish to ignore that the actions of real life followers are very fucking dangerous.

To people like Absolutelynothing claiming Islam is a religion of peace, what you fail to mention is that if Allah is the one true God and exists as depicted in scripture, every year roughly 45 MILLION people stand to face ETERNAL TORTURE for not believing in him.
I don't know what dictionary you use, but this does not even REMOTELY fot the definition of 'peaceful'.

At 1/14/08 03:53 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: To people like Absolutelynothing claiming Islam is a religion of peace, what you fail to mention is that if Allah is the one true God and exists as depicted in scripture, every year roughly 45 MILLION people stand to face ETERNAL TORTURE for not believing in him.
I don't know what dictionary you use, but this does not even REMOTELY fot the definition of 'peaceful'.

That doesn't mean Islam isn't peaceful; it means that those who don't pass the test on the Day of Judgment are doomed to Hell. Besides, only Allah knows who will go to Hell, and who won't.

It is peaceful, just maybe not in the afterlife for some people. The actual religion itself is peaceful, but that doesn't mean that there can't be consequences.

At 1/13/08 10:07 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:

At 11/30/07 07:41 PM, Transkar wrote: but it seems everywhere Islam is popping up in is having problems.

Can you name a time when the Middle East HASN'T had problems?

I've said it once, I'll say it again.

Middle East =/= All the Muslims on the planet

Keep these lovely arguments coming in.

At 1/14/08 11:15 PM, Absolutelynothing wrote:

That doesn't mean Islam isn't peaceful; it means that those who don't pass the test on the Day of Judgment are doomed to Hell.

What in the fuck is wrong with you, you moron.
How can any religion which preaches hell for non-believers be remotely peaceful?
You say "Oh but it is peaceful" and then in the next breath say "Yeah, non believers will burn for all of eternity, so?"

It is peaceful, just maybe not in the afterlife for some people.

*For some people*
Try the majority of the people who die in any given year, if Allah exists.

The actual religion itself is peaceful, but that doesn't mean that there can't be consequences.

Let's look then, shall we?

You claim the actions of it's followers don't determine whether it is peaceful or not, yet then you claim the supernatural side doesn't determine it either.
Ugh, you fucking idiot.

At 1/11/08 11:51 PM, skatin-andy wrote: Now lets look at a few passages from the christian bible:

5) In Deuteronomy 13:6-16, the Lord instructs Israel to kill anyone who worships a different god or who worships the Lord differently.

No, it is in a certain case (in the city of Belilah).

6) In Mark 7:9, Jesus is critical of the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as prescribed by Old Testament law.

Jesus says no such thing. In fact he claims that the Israelis have let a loophole slide wherin they allow one good deed to negate the law.

7) In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him.

Luke 19:22-27 is the last supper. It orders no such thing.

But I suppose christianity isn't violent, right?

Christianity supposes that the teachings of Jesus abrogate the earlier teachings.

At 1/14/08 11:15 PM, Absolutelynothing wrote: I've said it once, I'll say it again.

Middle East =/= All the Muslims on the planet

Keep these lovely arguments coming in.

As goes the Middle East, so goes Islam. The ME is the cradle for Islam, and looking at those who keep closest to the religion gives us a hint into it.

Until recently, Islam was a completely ME phenomenon.

At 1/14/08 11:33 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: What in the fuck is wrong with you, you moron.
How can any religion which preaches hell for non-believers be remotely peaceful?
You say "Oh but it is peaceful" and then in the next breath say "Yeah, non believers will burn for all of eternity, so?"

That still doesn't mean the actual religion isn't peaceful.
I never said that those who don't believe in Islam go to hell, now did I?
I said that those who don't pass the test will.
The fact that people pay the consequences doesn't mean it's not peaceful.

It is peaceful, just maybe not in the afterlife for some people.

*For some people*
Try the majority of the people who die in any given year, if Allah exists.

Your point? It still doesn't mean that the religion isn't peaceful.

The actual religion itself is peaceful, but that doesn't mean that there can't be consequences.

Let's look then, shall we?

You claim the actions of it's followers don't determine whether it is peaceful or not, yet then you claim the supernatural side doesn't determine it either.

The supernatural side does determine it. It's the actual religion itself that shows how peaceful Islam is, not the followers. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

Besides, if Islam takes over the world (what the topic was originally saying), there won't be many disputes between the people who follow Islam and the people who don't, since there will be little to no people who don't follow it. (Of course, there may be problems within the religion, but it shouldn't be anything too drastic.)

peace
A state of mutual harmony between people or groups, esp. in personal relations: Try to live in peace with your neighbors.
This is the sort of thing Islam encourages for those who follow it. This shows that it is a religion of peace.
The only thing you're pointing out is that people who don't follow it are doomed to Hell.
I'm not going to say that everyone of a certain religion that isn't Islam (say, Christianity, for example) is going to go to Hell, but I will say that those who don't pass the test, will.

Does that clarify things?

I'm not going to say that everyone of a certain religion that isn't Islam (say, Christianity, for example) is going to go to Hell, but I will say that those who don't pass the test, will.

Does that clarify things?

No. You're still lying through your teeth .

At 1/15/08 05:09 PM, Absolutelynothing wrote:

At 1/14/08 11:33 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: You say "Oh but it is peaceful" and then in the next breath say "Yeah, non believers will burn for all of eternity, so?"

That still doesn't mean the actual religion isn't peaceful.

So, a peaceful religion that sees millions tortured for eternity, I really am confused.

I never said that those who don't believe in Islam go to hell, now did I?

Did you write the Koran?

The fact that people pay the consequences doesn't mean it's not peaceful.

Consequences for not being raised into the right ideology, mind you.

The supernatural side does determine it.

The afterlife IS is the supernatural side though!

Besides, if Islam takes over the world (what the topic was originally saying), there won't be many disputes between the people who follow Islam and the people who don't, since there will be little to no people who don't follow it. (Of course, there may be problems within the religion, but it shouldn't be anything too drastic.)

Oh really? No problems, and none too dramatic?

Try the Sunnis and Shiites blowing each others brains out?

The only thing you're pointing out is that people who don't follow it are doomed to Hell.
I'm not going to say that everyone of a certain religion that isn't Islam (say, Christianity, for example) is going to go to Hell

Your Holy book does, and plenty of it's followers.

Does that clarify things?

So you're going to argue that technically it is a religion of peace, despite people getting mindlessly tortured forever. At the very fucking least, can't you admit that this in itself is plain barbaric and sick?
No one deserves eternal punishment.

At 1/16/08 01:08 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Did you write the Koran?

Let me put it this way...

In order for the world to be peaceful, something must be done to the unpeaceful people that will create peace.

Now terrorists take this rule way out of control and bomb the folk who don't believe. Also remember:

muslim =/= terrorist

terrorist =/= muslim

The fact that people pay the consequences doesn't mean it's not peaceful.

Consequences for not being raised into the right ideology, mind you.

The supernatural side does determine it.

The afterlife IS is the supernatural side though!

OH! Sorry, I didn't know that was what you meant by supernatural.

Besides, if Islam takes over the world (what the topic was originally saying), there won't be many disputes between the people who follow Islam and the people who don't, since there will be little to no people who don't follow it. (Of course, there may be problems within the religion, but it shouldn't be anything too drastic.)

Oh really? No problems, and none too dramatic?

Try the Sunnis and Shiites blowing each others brains out?

Do you think that all muslims are Islamists?
I have friends who are Sunni and I get along fine w/ them (Yes, I'm a Shiite).

The only thing you're pointing out is that people who don't follow it are doomed to Hell.
I'm not going to say that everyone of a certain religion that isn't Islam (say, Christianity, for example) is going to go to Hell

Your Holy book does, and plenty of it's followers.

From Surah Al-Baqara (bismillah ir-rahman ir-raheem)
(110) And they (Jews and Christians) say: None entereth paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian. These are their own desires. Say: Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful. (111) Nay, but whosoever surrendereth his purpose to Allah while doing good, his reward is with his Lord; and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (112) And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ. (113) And who doth greater wrong than he who forbiddeth the approach to the sanctuaries of Allah lest His name should be mentioned therein, and striveth for their ruin. As for such, it was never meant that they should enter them except in fear. Theirs in the world is ignominy and theirs in the Hereafter is an awful doom.

Does that clarify things?

So you're going to argue that technically it is a religion of peace, despite people getting mindlessly tortured forever. At the very fucking least, can't you admit that this in itself is plain barbaric and sick?
No one deserves eternal punishment.

Some muslims interpret the quran differently than others. Which is why terrorists will take it in a barbaric way while others see it differently.

And some people do deserve punishment. Are you saying that Adolf Hitler can get away with killing millions of people and be just as good as anyone else? You're saying that:
everyone = everyone
you = hitler

This is life, baby. Not some kind of kiddy game where people can get away with sins. If you take a step in the wrong directino, you'll be in over your head.

At 2/28/08 09:04 PM, Absolutelynothing wrote:

In order for the world to be peaceful, something must be done to the unpeaceful people that will create peace.

But the majority of people who fit into the Islamic category for Hell aren't destined there because they're "Unpeaceful".

Try the Sunnis and Shiites blowing each others brains out?

Do you think that all muslims are Islamists?
I have friends who are Sunni and I get along fine w/ them (Yes, I'm a Shiite).

The thing is though that if the entire world was Islamic, there would still always be mindless idiots who will find something to disagree with.

And some people do deserve punishment. Are you saying that Adolf Hitler can get away with killing millions of people and be just as good as anyone else?

Did I say Hitler should get off without punishment? No.
He certainly deserves to be punished very severely for an extended period of time, but I really don't think you're comprehending how bad eternity really is. No one deserves eternal punishment, not even Hitler himself, especially considering how bad hell is supposed to be.

If you take a step in the wrong direction, you'll be in over your head.

Step in the wrong direction, or an innocent mistake?

And by mistake I don't mean Hitler or anyone of the sort.
I mean Atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus etc.

I cannot possibly believe in Allah. I don't choose not to, it's just no matter how hard I tried I could not imagine him existing, yet this innocent mistake could cost me my soul.
Or, for example, a Hindu, who just happened to be raised in a different country, thus a different belief system. Through no fault of his/her own, he is automatically damned forever.

If this is the way your religion works, you are a fucking reatarded moron to call it anything remotely close to peaceful.

At 1/13/08 09:04 AM, Nikita90876 wrote: No the Americans will nuke them before they get close

;
Really .
What if the President is a muslim?
Haven't I been reading that obamma has a muslim upbringing, or step father... I bleep over most of the hype you see in the news about the candidates.

But one thing I did find interesting in a Canadian news yesterday. Was that a person/people from Obamma's insiders contacted the Canadian Goverment to tell them that his attacks against free trade & the NAFTA treaty were just "campaign rhetoric".
The CTV is standing by this story & says it has it from the highest goverment officials.

So he's not even in office & he's acting exactly like the President you have now !

ISN"T CAMPAIGN RHETORIC.... ACTUALLY LYING !

i think you are wrong.
look, lets say it happenes, it will probably happen first in the Scandinavian countries, most likely Sweden, when (Yes, i say when, because every Muslim family have like 10 children) the Muslims will be majority, and "Conquer" Sweden there will be too possible options in my opinion.
either they will already non-observant, and combined in the society or the world will see what happened there, and they'll get deported back to where they came from.

At 1/13/08 01:26 AM, notld224 wrote: But Islam DOES have one VERY BIG contender. One which can possibly lead us into an age of hedonistic-nihilism but ground-breakingly deep group and individual thought and behaviour (plus to the stars).

Science.

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive.

I don't know how many times it has to be said before it sinks in for some people, but science and religion answer different kinds of questions and can therefore be accepted simultaneously - as long as neither devolves into mindless zealotry or ultra-rigid interpretations. This may make science compete with radical Islam, but it pretty much guarantees that more moderate religions will go on regardless; science can tell you how physical phenomena come about, but it's useless in terms of philosophical questions.

It is against the Qu'ran to force someone to convert to Islam. In addition, Christians and Jews are considered "people of the book" and are supposed to be tolerated. But, and this happens with all religions, the original idea is twisted and distorted to aid military leaders and unite people. So I guess I'm just trying to say that the original views of all major religions are twisted and aren't what the creators intended.

At 2/29/08 02:15 PM, 10x10times wrote: It is against the Qu'ran to force someone to convert to Islam. In addition,

Prove it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

No religion is evil, the tards who follow them are.

At 11/30/07 07:41 PM, Transkar wrote: Thats the way its looking now. Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet. Christianity had its run lol.

Not true. I'd like to see where you read this, or how you formulated that assumption. Islam is not a fast growing faith, at all. Most of the muslims in the world come from muslim families. And as for christianity having it's run..... one word... India. The largest, and fastest growing christian population in the world.

This has to be a troll right? I don't see how anyone could be so blatantly ignorant and arrogant as to suggest something like this. This is just the Red Scare all over again.

At 3/8/08 09:38 AM, ABsoldier17 wrote:

At 11/30/07 07:41 PM, Transkar wrote: Thats the way its looking now. Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet. Christianity had its run lol.

Not true. I'd like to see where you read this, or how you formulated that assumption. Islam is not a fast growing faith, at all. Most of the muslims in the world come from muslim families. And as for christianity having it's run..... one word... India. The largest, and fastest growing christian population in the world.

Do you think it would be possible if sometime in the future after Islam has become like Christianity, and takes a hold all over the whole world. Will the christians start acting like the radical islamists? Would they start sending suicidal people all over the world?

LoL... that ideology of this goddamned pedophile, pervert wacko again, resisting its followers sexual satisfaction, so they can die for the cause and get transfered into a gigantic cosmic whorehouse.

How ridiculous. Israel ftw.

Have a nice day.

Satircal comic about the oh-so-holy-Qu'ran.

Islam is a peaceful religion that is being distorted by the media and politicians to gain something. For example the word jihad according to the media means holy war. When the real translation is a struggle to defend the faith. Also WTF islam is not taking root in western europe last i saw the most significant muslim population was like 3%. Also the Islamic world more or less preserved western ideas and inventions when Europe entered the dark ages. Another thing the middle east has been a hot bed for violence since forever. Even before Mohammad even existed or was even a common name. Also from what I've been taught hell in Islam is only forever if you are absolutely the worst offender and for everyone else sent it is until Allah feels you have been punished enough. Also the way I understand the Islamic apocalypse is Jesus will come back and unite Christians and Jews with the Muslims so the point is that the radicals take to extreme a stance. But that extreme stance is present in every religion. Such as Christians bombing abortion clinics. Or Hindus starving themselves because cows are sacred. Or Buddhist...... meditating to much. The point a religion with some 1.5 billion followers will not disappear overnight so you better get to accepting it. By the way I'm not Muslim. I'm in fact a catholic and I accept muslims. So there you are

Thank you alchemylord...you are the first the make sense in this thread.