I got two submissions blammed in a 30 day period and now I can't submit ANYTHING for 12 more days. (including my sentence generator)
Sheesh, WHERE the fuck does the rules say this? I have a nice long list of flash that I WOULDN"T have ever submitted if they actually pointed this out.
Use your 12 days to make your flash better.
At 11/29/07 12:48 PM, Imacow wrote: Use your 12 days to make your flash better.
yeah...I'm gonna do that...but still...does the rules say this at all? I've been checking and don't see anything on this subject.
At 11/29/07 12:49 PM, Davoo wrote:At 11/29/07 12:48 PM, Imacow wrote: Use your 12 days to make your flash better.yeah...I'm gonna do that...but still...does the rules say this at all? I've been checking and don't see anything on this subject.
At 11/29/07 01:01 PM, DnaDraxxus wrote: Right here.
Ok, fair enough.
I wish they would actually ADD that to the official rules though...what are the odds of me reading a 3 year old news post!?!
At 11/29/07 01:04 PM, Davoo wrote: I wish they would actually ADD that to the official rules though...what are the odds of me reading a 3 year old news post!?!
They probably just missed it when re-writing the FAQ post redesign. Theres kind of a lot of rules and guidelines for NG so i wouldn't be surprised if every once in a while you come across something that isn't documented in the FAQ.
At 11/29/07 01:15 PM, Solidone wrote: They probably just missed it when re-writing the FAQ post redesign.
Yeah....do you think it's fair to ask for a premature lifting of this 12 day ban due to the fact that I had NO WARNING?! I think I'll contanct an admin to at least add it to the FAQ's.
At 11/29/07 09:12 PM, Davoo wrote:At 11/29/07 01:15 PM, Solidone wrote: They probably just missed it when re-writing the FAQ post redesign.Yeah....do you think it's fair to ask for a premature lifting of this 12 day ban due to the fact that I had NO WARNING?! I think I'll contanct an admin to at least add it to the FAQ's.
Its ok to ask. They will not ban you if you do that.
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At 11/29/07 09:12 PM, Davoo wrote:At 11/29/07 01:15 PM, Solidone wrote: They probably just missed it when re-writing the FAQ post redesign.Yeah....do you think it's fair to ask for a premature lifting of this 12 day ban due to the fact that I had NO WARNING?! I think I'll contanct an admin to at least add it to the FAQ's.
It's automatic, and I highly doubt that you'll be able to get an administrator to lift the ban.
The reason for this is to make it so accounts trying to spam the Portal, whose movies have been blammed, don't continue spamming the Portal, thereby foiling their plans.
Most of all, 12 days is a good long while to forget about an alt account while you sulk about not being able to submit movies. :P
At 11/30/07 01:00 AM, ArmandoMorat wrote:
It's automatic, and I highly doubt that you'll be able to get an administrator to lift the ban.
The reason for this is to make it so accounts trying to spam the Portal, whose movies have been blammed, don't continue spamming the Portal, thereby foiling their plans.
Most of all, 12 days is a good long while to forget about an alt account while you sulk about not being able to submit movies. :P
The ironic thing is that spammers just bypass the ban. It only causes people who want to actually contribute to give up. I told Wade this a while back, I understand his reason but it was a bad idea.
At 11/29/07 01:04 PM, Davoo wrote: I wish they would actually ADD that to the official rules though...what are the odds of me reading a 3 year old news post!?!
Well, it's not really necessary.
If you really do have flash that is good enough to pass that you want to submit so desperately that you can't wait the 12 days, then why didn't you submit that first?
Why would you want to submit movies/games from this "long list of flash" that you wouldn't submit now that you know you can be banned from submitting? If you don't think it's good enough, why bother having it on your profile?
I'd much rather have 5 good submissions than 20 crappy submissions and 5 good ones.
And it really doesn't matter if it's in the rules or not. If you get two submissions blammed within 30 days, chances are, whatever you were submitting wasn't going to be that great to begin with. It gives you time to sit down and work on something better. Also, if you're just going for quantity, not quality, just submitting anything you have and not your best work... there's no real point in submitting anything at all.
You should just be submitting the best you can all the time, whether you'd be banned for it being blammed or not. If there's something better, submit that. If you think "If 1 gets blammed, I won't be able to submit 2," then just submit 2. Forget about 1.
The point is... Don't lose your dinosaur.
Lol i am banned too for this..........2 times....
Nobody says that rule! they unfair!
They say it but it is unfair! it is so unfair!!!!!!!!
At 11/30/07 07:50 AM, killer9101 wrote: They say it but it is unfair! it is so unfair!!!!!!!!
No, it's unfair to spam the portal with shitty flashes. There's a good reason that anybody can only submit 2 flashes per day. And if those get banned that person has to wait a bit.
It's totaly understandable, so stop whining.
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At 11/30/07 07:55 AM, Haggard wrote:
No, it's unfair to spam the portal with shitty flashes. There's a good reason that anybody can only submit 2 flashes per day. And if those get banned that person has to wait a bit.
It's totaly understandable, so stop whining.
Those who do it to spam the portal just bypass that shit anyway, so that's really irrelevant. The only users who obey the ban are constructive ones who often get discouraged because of it.
At 11/30/07 08:04 AM, JerkClock wrote: Those who do it to spam the portal just bypass that shit anyway, so that's really irrelevant. The only users who obey the ban are constructive ones who often get discouraged because of it.
Not quite - I'd be encouraged to make a better flash by having a ban on submitting imposed on me.
The faggots who get around the ban need to be caught and penalised for it. They have too many alt accounts and if we could get them banned for the whole IP address, then AOL users would be banned from submitting flash on a semi-permanent basis :P
There's too many ways around it though. For one, if say, you're a good Flash author called "SickDeathFiend", they don't tend to want to ban you for spamming sometimes 30+ entries a day on an alt of yours called say, "piconjo."(for the record I thought that piconjo shit was funny, but it was still a spammy cirmvention of the system)
For another, even the ones that would get banned will just proxy their way around said bans.
Hey, I know what would be TOTALLY fair!
If someone gets two blammed submissions, they get an email or PM saying "Get one more blam in this 30 day period and you'll be banned from submitting for 15 days" thus they get a WARNING!
Also, a more efficiant way to block spammers, if they get submissions blammed 7 times in a row without passing any flash inbetween them, they get a warning and if they get 2 more blams they will be banned for 3 months. If this happens again then it will be forever.
Does that sound good?
At 12/2/07 08:54 AM, Davoo wrote: Does that sound good?
No it sounds moronic, thanks for asking though.
At 12/2/07 08:54 AM, Davoo wrote: Also, a more efficiant way to block spammers, if they get submissions blammed 7 times in a row without passing any flash inbetween them, they get a warning and if they get 2 more blams they will be banned for 3 months. If this happens again then it will be forever.
So, instead of only submitting 2, and getting banned for two weeks, when they will probably forget about that account they made to submit their useless flash... you want to allow them to submit NINE in a row before they move on to their next account to spam with?
Does that sound good?
No. Not at all.
The point is... Don't lose your dinosaur.
At 12/3/07 07:26 AM, Joe wrote: So, instead of only submitting 2, and getting banned for two weeks, when they will probably forget about that account they made to submit their useless flash... you want to allow them to submit NINE in a row before they move on to their next account to spam with?
The real question here is why seven flash need to be blammed first? 1 could be viewed as unlucky - 2 seems persistent.
The real solution is to put the warning up on the FAQ, or on the submit window "IF YOU SUBMIT TWO FLASH THAT ARE BLAMMED WITHIN ANY 30-DAY PERIOD, YOU WILL BE BANNED FROM SUBMITTING FOR 30 DAYS." Simple solutions, as you will have been warned :P
At 12/3/07 07:58 AM, Coop83 wrote: The real solution is to put the warning up on the FAQ, or on the submit window "IF YOU SUBMIT TWO FLASH THAT ARE BLAMMED WITHIN ANY 30-DAY PERIOD, YOU WILL BE BANNED FROM SUBMITTING FOR 30 DAYS." Simple solutions, as you will have been warned :P
The best solution would be portal mods. People that could tell the difference between spam alts and decent users that just aren't very successful, so that spam alts can be banned forever, and possibly have their accounts deleted... and the decent users just need some time to put a little more work into their flash before submitting.
The point is... Don't lose your dinosaur.
Why not just let the decent users keep trying and just ban the spammers? I remember 1 entry in particular that was blammed 3 times over a 2 day period, each time it had improvements on it. The 4th time it passed and now has a decent score.
Making the "take a little time" just widens the learning curve, especially when it comes to thinks like synching.
At 12/3/07 08:15 AM, Joe wrote: The best solution would be portal mods.
So what sort of criteria are you suggesting for these mods? Good experience of the portal operations, online every day, open to giving constructive criticism, that sort of thing?
Hell, I think milinko959 could do a grand job of that :)
People that could tell the difference between spam alts and decent users that just aren't very successful, so that spam alts can be banned forever, and possibly have their accounts deleted... and the decent users just need some time to put a little more work into their flash before submitting.
Discretion is the better part of valor - maybe the whistle gets used / abused in this manner?
At 12/3/07 08:20 AM, JerkClock wrote: Why not just let the decent users keep trying and just ban the spammers?
Isn't that what Joe just said?
I remember 1 entry in particular that was blammed 3 times over a 2 day period, each time it had improvements on it. The 4th time it passed and now has a decent score.
Link please?
Making the "take a little time" just widens the learning curve, especially when it comes to thinks like synching.
Helping them find their way to the Flash forum would help, when they can post links to their flash hosted on free websites, so that they can get it made up to standard and ready for being a quality submission.
At 12/3/07 08:55 AM, Coop83 wrote:
Isn't that what Joe just said?
No he said keep the current system in place for them but perma-ban spammers.
Link please?
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/16 8251
That's where it was.It actually has a 2.17 score, but the author has since submitted stuff that did score decently. He might not have had we put this system in place back then.
Helping them find their way to the Flash forum would help, when they can post links to their flash hosted on free websites, so that they can get it made up to standard and ready for being a quality submission.
Yeah if only they can find a legit host.Unfortunately, if they do that, then there's less point in submitting it here as they already have it hosted somewhere.
At 12/3/07 11:24 AM, JerkClock wrote:At 12/3/07 08:55 AM, Coop83 wrote:No he said keep the current system in place for them but perma-ban spammers.
Isn't that what Joe just said?
I think that's what Joe said. He answered How to do it, as opposed to What to do:P
Link please?http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/16 8251
That's where it was.It actually has a 2.17 score, but the author has since submitted stuff that did score decently. He might not have had we put this system in place back then.
Thanks for the link, I'll be sure to check it out. Ever considered that he's the exception that proves the rule?
At 12/3/07 11:36 AM, Coop83 wrote:
Thanks for the link, I'll be sure to check it out. Ever considered that he's the exception that proves the rule?
Not really, I've seen other times that stuff has happened, but just too many to possibly remember them all.
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