If pro-life people had their way...

[KeithHybrid]

...and abortions were deemed illegal, where would it end? Illegalize masturbation? Illegallize vasecimines and other surgeries that may render one infertile? Illegalize caffine? (excess ammounts can lower sperm count)

[cellardoor6]

At 11/28/07 07:27 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: ...and abortions were deemed illegal, where would it end?

Um... abortions, that's what and where it would end.

[gumOnShoe]

At 11/28/07 07:43 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Um... abortions, that's what and where it would end.

Well, that and birth control. Then "that's where it would end"

[K-RadPie]

At 11/28/07 07:55 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Well, that and birth control. Then "that's where it would end"

No. Abortions is where it would end.

[Al6200]

At 11/28/07 07:27 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: ...and abortions were deemed illegal, where would it end?

Complete dirty tactic. Just because an idea seems romantic in your mind - doesn't make it realistic or likely. You have to prove that it would go farther, since it stands to reason that pro-life means exactly that - pro-life.

:Illegalize masturbation?

Irrelevant. Completely random. Illegalize cars? Illegalize time?

:Illegallize vasecimines?

WTF? What does preventing the production of a child (birth control) have to do with killing a child who has already been created (abortion)?

:and other surgeries that may render one infertile?

Righhht. I know that pro-choice groups will come up with completely random scarecrows that happen to be circular arguments (namely, the argument that abortion is acceptable because it is birth control. The pro-choice position is that abortion is birth control. Any Pro-Life (read: intelligent) person knows that this is not the case.

[LadyGrace]

Idiotic logic. By that logic, I can say, those who are pro-abortion are pro-spousal abuse, pro-murder, pro-death penalty, anti-vaginas, anti-wombs, etc. Though one may have these affinities as well as be pro-abortion, it does not mean that they're related... at all.

[poxpower]

At 11/28/07 04:59 PM, Al6200 wrote:

Illegalize time?

Where do I vote for this one?

[stafffighter]

Pot makes you infertal. Maybe that's why it's still illegal.

[Lindione]

I doubt it wil go farther than that but some of the radical ones migt try to illegalize birth control and premarital sex (although the chances of that going too far are zip to none)

[SmilezRoyale]

At 11/28/07 07:27 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: ...and abortions were deemed illegal, where would it end? Illegalize masturbation? Illegallize vasecimines and other surgeries that may render one infertile? Illegalize caffine? (excess ammounts can lower sperm count)

What would happen if Abortions were deemed legal? where would it end? Legalize infanticide? Pedastery? Polygamy? Sex legalized and decriminalized at the earliest of ages? Legalize sex in the park? [Somone on this forum already sugjested it, clearly people who beleive in pro-life most likely would not be too happy about sex in the park] Legalize Cocain?

It works both ways, the reason it doesn't happen, or [idealistically] shouldn't happen is because while the electorial system [general elections i'm talking] has it's flaws, there are some laws politicians can't initiate for logistics reasons, people arn't going to elect people who openly admit to wanting to initiate laws that are seen as riddiculous. This is why it is imperative that people check voting records of US candidates, particiularly those who are being elected for stupid reasons, candidates who gloat about their voting record are probably the most safe candidates to 'search up' and get interested into.

Masturbation was never illegal in the 20th century just so you know, that was around the same time they added 'in god we trust' in the dollar bill. And don't quote me on this, but i don't think masturbation was illegal in the united states at all... The founding fathers would never consent to such a religously driven law which clearly serves no purpose, and cannot be enforced. [Those 3 reasons, make the law idiotic in nature]

Perhaps the founding fathers saw the concept of total freedom as acceptable, because they never invisioned people using total freedom idiotically, and notice, how we call the founding fathers founding, and not infallible fathers.

I hope i managed to enlighten you a little bit.

[CaptainChip]

Your logic confuses me.

Its just going to stop at abortions. Thats it. Nothing else is what they call "Baby killers".

[SolInvictus]

two mods laugh at the stupidity of this thread, yet it's still open. when will it end?

[SmilezRoyale]

I don't think marjuana is a very effective contraceptive...

[Brick-top]

My spidey sense tells me that this argument is going nowhere.

[Christopherr]

At 11/28/07 07:27 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: ...and abortions were deemed illegal, where would it end? Illegalize masturbation? Illegallize vasecimines and other surgeries that may render one infertile? Illegalize caffine? (excess ammounts can lower sperm count)

I'm pretty sure abortions are different from all of those. I think the ballgame changes when a live fetus comes into play, as opposed to anything having to do with your own body.

[Gunter45]

I think that it's only the pro-choice bunch that mistakes diploid with haploid cells. Face it, pro-lifers don't want to illegalize masturbation. Masturbation isn't terminating pregnancy nor are sperm cells alive. They are haploid cells that the male produces. Taking preventative measures to keep from getting pregnant is not the same as abortion, not by any definition. That's like saying changing your spark plugs is the same as a full engine rebuild. If you're going to argue for abortion, don't put up ridiculous strawmen.

[Al6200]

::At 11/28/07 08:38 PM, Gunter45 wrote

Agreed 100%

[fahrenheit]

At 11/28/07 08:30 AM, K-RadPie wrote: No. Abortions is where it would end.

because a slippery slope refers to a playground in the rain.

[Christopherr]

At 11/28/07 08:31 PM, Xtesh wrote: The problem with abortions is that they deal with both(the fetus and the mother that it needs to carry him/her to term, and is basically attached to it's mother).

I think major evidence that a fetus is alive is being brushed aside by pro-choice people. Remember that study a while back that analyzed brain waves and concluded that fetuses could feel pain at something like 3 months? Isn't having brain waves at all a sign of life? A fetus is a tiny underdeveloped human stuffed inside a woman and fed by a tube, in short. Why kill it?

The whole pro-life/pro-choice debate ultimately leads into another commonly forgotten piece of advice: "DON'T HAVE KIDS IF YOU CAN'T SUPPORT THEM." I mean, it's just so blatantly obvious that it's painful to listen to those who don't understand that.

[SEXY-FETUS]

I can't remember what state it was, but anyways major red state bible thumper type. A piece of legislation went up that would ban abortion, basically hoping to get the supreme court to look at it again to at least put it in the states rights to control. Needless to say it was shot down because it just plain outlawed abortion regardless of rape, incest, and valid medical reasons. So you see even these evil jesus freak pro-lifers see the importance abortion CAN have and don't even want to ban abortion completely. Besides that. Have you ever actually heard anyone say that YOU shouldn't use birth control? No, it's a personal belief they take on themselves(catholics mostly) and it's looked at lightly that if you do happen to use birth control the only punishment is you don't take sacriment the following sunday. Saying this is next in line to an abortion ban is as asinine as saying bestial marriage is short to follow after allowing homosexual marriage. And since I know the question is going to come up. The punishment for performing an illegal abortion should be loss of liscense(if applicable) and jail time for the performing doctor and short stay at a state mental institution to determine mental stability of the woman.

[Empanado]

Sometimes there's no need to overanalyze these things. Way I see it, illegalizing abortions would result in abortions being illegal, and legalizing abortion would result in abortions being legal.
Of course, that's not to say that some groups don't go too far on this. The Chilean right-wing, for example, has gone completely bathsit fucking loco on its efforts to prevent the circulation of the morning-after pill.

[Euroc]

Dont forget, the further to the left or right of an issue you get, the fewer supporters you have. I believe only 5 percent think abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. Only 12 percent believe it should be legal in any circumstance. Most people are in the middle. You have about 25% who believe it should only be legal for rape, incest, retardation, or mothers protection. You have about 50 percent who believe there should be some control over partial birth abortions and third trimester abortions.

So if it became illegal nationwide, there would be a large majority who would not support it. To go further and try to make birth control illegal... not in this country, and not in this century. It just wont happen. There would be no support for it.

[Elfer]

At 11/28/07 04:59 PM, Al6200 wrote: Righhht. I know that pro-choice groups will come up with completely random scarecrows that happen to be circular arguments (namely, the argument that abortion is acceptable because it is birth control.

That's not a circular argument unless one of the premises of the argument is "birth control is ok because it is abortion"

A good example of a circular argument is:
P1) People should take responsibility for their actions
P2) Assume that abortion is wrong
C1) Therefore, abortion cannot be used as a responsible solution to a problem
C2) Therefore, abortion is wrong, as people should take responsibility for their actions

[Imperator]

I love slippy slopes, and this goes both ways.

If pro-life wins, dirty thoughts to that nice looking girl earn me visits from the thought police.
If pro-choice wins I get to marry my pet snake and have threesomes with the dog and goat across the street.

[gumOnShoe]

At 11/28/07 08:30 AM, K-RadPie wrote: No. Abortions is where it would end.

Sure, according to you, but you don't speak for everyone. If you solve one problem... why stop there? Or what are you going to work on changing next? There will always be a percentage of people unhappy with the status quo, victory only encourages them to continue moving in the direction they were going. I'm sure some people would stop, but it won't "end" ever. Note my sarcasm.

Anyway, pills > rusty coat hangers any day.

[SolInvictus]

i've never heard pro-life protest against birth control, just abortion and sex-ed. i don't think they care much about what happens after marriage, condoms and sex everywhere!

maybe i'm wrong.

[Gunter45]

Allowing abortions makes people want to go out and get TEEN PREGNANT!!!!

Yeah, it might just be me, but making broad, sweeping assumptions about legislation seems silly to me.

[Musician]

At 11/28/07 04:59 PM, Al6200 wrote:

At 11/28/07 07:27 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: ...and abortions were deemed illegal, where would it end?

Complete dirty tactic.

kinda like the argument conservatives use against gay marriage isn't it?

[Kahuna]

Umm... no, the whole (non religious point) Is if you were out there fucking anything that walks and you got pregnet its your own god damn fault you should live with the consequences.

[Shaggytheclown17]

At 11/28/07 07:27 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: ...and abortions were deemed illegal, where would it end? Illegalize masturbation? Illegallize vasecimines and other surgeries that may render one infertile? Illegalize caffine? (excess ammounts can lower sperm count)

How would masturbation be illegal if abortion were illegal?
Masturbation kills sperm cells, half of what is used to reproduce, would a girl having her period be illegal? of fucking course not.