Teenager's Rights

[Lindione]

Do you think teenagers and should be allowed to vote and have jobs (younger than what they are at) , own property, should be treated more like adults, etc. I personally think so since i myself am a teenager(15) and I do think that i am better imformed about politics than most adults i know, most teenagers i know work under the table anyhow, and the ability for teenagers to own property would make it so that their parents won't take money out of Little Jimmy's college fund for a night at the casino. As for respect i do bieleive I have some degree of competency and feel that i should respected as such.

For those of you that say not all teenagers are competent why not have a competency test put into effect with those passing gaining certain rights.

[K-RadPie]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Funniest thread today.

[SmilezRoyale]

they arn't aloud to do those things because teenagers have a tendency when born into middle or lower middle class families to neglect education in favor of a job to earn money which in turn keeps them from getting a specialized carrier which would pay better and aid them into ascending the social ladder.

And of course if they do this, liberals will complain about wealth inequalities, and i hate when they complain.

my answer i'm afraid, is no. I also shudder to think the kinds of ridiculous laws the politions would promise to enact in order to gain favor from a teenage voting population.

[Draconias]

At 11/24/07 10:10 PM, Lindione wrote: those of you that say not all teenagers are competent why not have a competency test put into effect with those passing gaining certain rights.

Teenagers already can own property and work jobs. Note that "13" marks the beginning of teenagehood; the working age is "about" 14. Anyone can own property, even children too young to walk yet, as long as their guardians cosign (the ownership does not belong to the guardians, though).

Yes, intelligent teenagers are overly restricted and prevented from doing many things that they are more than mature enough to handle. However, that same "ignorant" majority in adults that you referred to also exists among teenagers. Since you have both stupid teenagers and stupid adults, everyone has to be supressed in an attempt to correct the next teenagers before they become the next adults. Or rather, they "have" to be supressed according to the current "ignorant" majority.

You can't win. Just deal with it until you turn 18 and 21. You lost the war long before you were even alive to fight the first battle.

[fli]

At 11/24/07 10:10 PM, Lindione wrote: Do you think teenagers and should be allowed to vote and have jobs (younger than what they are at) , own property, should be treated more like adults, etc. I personally think so since i myself am a teenager(15) and I do think that i am better imformed about politics than most adults i know, most teenagers i know work under the table anyhow, and the ability for teenagers to own property would make it so that their parents won't take money out of Little Jimmy's college fund for a night at the casino. As for respect i do bieleive I have some degree of competency and feel that i should respected as such.

For those of you that say not all teenagers are competent why not have a competency test put into effect with those passing gaining certain rights.

I don't think that the voting age should go any lower.
But there are no laws saying that a teen can't own property. And teens can work... but not above a certain age.

And competency tests?
Not even adults are competent... so what sets the difference between teens and adults then? One is legally responsible, and the other's parents are responsible.

I don't think you're thinking practically...
what kind of rights do teenagers really need in life?

The only practical rights I see is the right of an education, and a right to be in a school and home environment free of physical abuse.

[Lindione]

At 11/24/07 10:28 PM, fli wrote:
I don't think that the voting age should go any lower.

Why not?

But there are no laws saying that a teen can't own property. And teens can work... but not above a certain age.

but there are strong restrictions on these things.

And competency tests?
Not even adults are competent... so what sets the difference between teens and adults then? One is legally responsible, and the other's parents are responsible.

In that case, there should be a competancy test for everyone

I don't think you're thinking practically...
what kind of rights do teenagers really need in life?

The rights to make our own medical desicions, our own schooling desicions, and the right to own property without having a guardian sign since i doubt that they would give away that power over the teenager involved.

The only practical rights I see is the right of an education, and a right to be in a school and home environment free of physical abuse.

these rights i also agree

[LordJaric]

At 11/24/07 10:37 PM, Lindione wrote:

At 11/24/07 10:28 PM, fli wrote:

But there are no laws saying that a teen can't own property. And teens can work... but not above a certain age.

but there are strong restrictions on these things.

For obvious reasons.

[Lindione]

At 11/24/07 10:41 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 11/24/07 10:37 PM, Lindione wrote:

At 11/24/07 10:28 PM, fli wrote:

But there are no laws saying that a teen can't own property. And teens can work... but not above a certain age.

but there are strong restrictions on these things.

For obvious reasons.

But what I'm suggesting is a competency test to see if these reasons do not apply to the individual (assuming the reason is the teenager isn't competent enough to do it)

[PicoZX]

At 11/24/07 10:23 PM, K-RadPie wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Funniest thread today.

Lol.
Yup!

[D2Kvirus]

Around here teenagers only seem concerned about their rights before you lamp them for beng an obnoxious chav bastard that can't run anywhere near as fast as you.

[Lindione]

Once again i must say that my goal would be to set up a test to separate the selfish, stupid, careless teenagers from the intelligent and respectful ones. Also, not all teenagers are obnoxious or are stereotypical.

[stafffighter]

At 11/25/07 11:32 AM, Lindione wrote: Once again i must say that my goal would be to set up a test to separate the selfish, stupid, careless teenagers from the intelligent and respectful ones. Also, not all teenagers are obnoxious or are stereotypical.

So basically you want to drive to your own apartment and smoke there.

[Lindione]

At 11/25/07 12:00 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 11/25/07 11:32 AM, Lindione wrote: Once again i must say that my goal would be to set up a test to separate the selfish, stupid, careless teenagers from the intelligent and respectful ones. Also, not all teenagers are obnoxious or are stereotypical.

So basically you want to drive to your own apartment and smoke there.

No, I'm suggesting the right to vote, the right to make medical decisions, and the right to out own bank account, etc. without a parent signing saying we can.

[K-RadPie]

Damn, can't you just fucking wait until you're 18?

[PhoenixTails]

You can't have a competency test in order to gain rights, because then you are weeding people out, and forming an elite class. If stupid adults have the right to vote, which they obviously do, they you would have allow all teenagers to do the same if they were given rights.

However, I would like a certain degree of control over medical things. For example, (not sure if I can do this), if I write down somewhere that should I fall into a vegetative state, I want the plugged pulled, would it be done? Probably not, because my parents get that choice. Not that I have to worry about that since my parents would do what I wished.

You must also look at the fact that while there ARE competent, intelligent, mature teenagers, the majority are not, and thus are not ready to have these rights.

[jef01]

At 11/25/07 12:15 PM, Lindione wrote:

No, I'm suggesting the right to vote, the right to make medical decisions, and the right to out own bank account, etc. without a parent signing saying we can.

do your parents treat you like a baby?
because mine alow me to make my own desisions

[jewba09]

Well, , Teenagers are receiving more responsibilities by the year, and thus deserve more rights. Teenagers can be convicted of crimes as an adult in TX at 17, and courts can try youth as adults at 14 in some states. Therefore, if someone can be tried as an adult, then they should also be give the privileges of adults. This includes voting, driving, smoking, and even drinking. If someone is old enough to elect their representatives...shouldn't they be given the responsibility of drinking intelligently? I certainly think so!

[K-RadPie]

At 11/25/07 01:37 PM, jewba09 wrote: Well, , Teenagers are receiving more responsibilities by the year, and thus deserve more rights. Teenagers can be convicted of crimes as an adult in TX at 17, and courts can try youth as adults at 14 in some states. Therefore, if someone can be tried as an adult, then they should also be give the privileges of adults.

The responsibility of not killing people isn't anything new. Your logic fails.

[D2Kvirus]

At 11/25/07 11:32 AM, Lindione wrote: Once again i must say that my goal would be to set up a test to separate the selfish, stupid, careless teenagers from the intelligent and respectful ones. Also, not all teenagers are obnoxious or are stereotypical.

And I repeat, your typical chav teenager is only concerned about their rights when they say it's assault if you (deservedly) smack the shit out of them - of course, it never occurs to them when they're happy slapping it works the other way 'round, too...

[fahrenheit]

For those saying teens can own property, thats not true.

I (being 16) just bought a car, but because I'm under 18 I'm not allowed to own it (or even have my name on it). And if I cant own a car, I doubt I can own a house.

[SlithVampir]

At 11/24/07 10:23 PM, K-RadPie wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Funniest thread today.

How bout ever?

[Lindione]

At 11/25/07 12:53 PM, PhoenixTails wrote: You can't have a competency test in order to gain rights, because then you are weeding people out, and forming an elite class. If stupid adults have the right to vote, which they obviously do, they you would have allow all teenagers to do the same if they were given rights.

Already is a competency test with drivers licenses and grading in schools ranks in sports, there will always be an elite class whather its apparent or not.

However, I would like a certain degree of control over medical things. For example, (not sure if I can do this), if I write down somewhere that should I fall into a vegetative state, I want the plugged pulled, would it be done? Probably not, because my parents get that choice. Not that I have to worry about that since my parents would do what I wished.

This and the ability to invest in stocks, have a private bank account we control (without any parent needed) the ability to have a will, among others is what I'm asking for

You must also look at the fact that while there ARE competent, intelligent, mature teenagers, the majority are not, and thus are not ready to have these rights.

Overall what I'm asking for is a symbol of respect and certain rights for the teenagers
which are competent since in cases like a will or medical desicions they know whats best for them better than the parents.

P.S. For those of you that think this is funny i would like to know why. And for those of you treating this as a joke in other threads you are exactly the type of people that make it so i have to create this thread to discuss this issue

[SadisticMonkey]

Most teenagers are too idiotic to deserve the right to vote.

[Lindione]

At 11/25/07 09:45 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Most teenagers are too idiotic to deserve the right to vote.

I know, and I'm not suggesting that all teenagers get that right, just the ones who deserve it , and this is the 4-5th time I've had to say this argument to nearly the same thing said. Can you people please give your opinion with some backround information or evidence?

[TheMason]

I don't like the idea of lowering the right to vote, afterall 60 Minutes the other week was talking about "millenials" and mentioned that most sociologists are starting to consider adulthood as beginning around 24-26.

I can see why someone would want the right to buy stock, maybe that's something you could lobby your representatives to have the SEC look into.

However, while I felt the way you do now when I was young...now I think why would you want the responsibility/liability? If however, something is terribly wrong a kid can get emancipated.

[SadisticMonkey]

At 11/25/07 09:48 PM, Lindione wrote: Can you people please give your opinion with some backround information or evidence?

Go to a fucking shopping mall.

[fli]

Wow...
Seems I can't make a dent in you...

Very teenagery of you--

*sigh*
I remember being 15 and thinking I knew everything... I remember thinking how smart I was and how immature older people were.

Okay-- I'm not MUCH older than you. But I have a decade extra of life experience to tell you that the rights you want are just, really, luxeries. Like the "right" to drive. And the actual rights you want, like to vote, and certain medical decisions aren't simply given to you because, for starters, you don't have your own responsibility. Your parents are responsible... because they pay the price if you do something wrong.

Imagine all the 15 year olds who want plastic surgery...
Or do certain body modifications...
What if they die?

You see, you simply just don't have the equal liability to me. You can't enter legally binding contracts, and stuff like that. And since you, as a teenager, don't have that-- that's why you don't vote, have decisions to surgery, etc.

[Musician]

At 11/25/07 11:08 PM, fli wrote: You see, you simply just don't have the equal liability to me. You can't enter legally binding contracts, and stuff like that. And since you, as a teenager, don't have that-- that's why you don't vote, have decisions to surgery, etc.

Here in Oregon we do.

[Musician]

well on the surgery part anyways.

[Euroc]

At 11/24/07 10:10 PM, Lindione wrote: Do you think teenagers and should be allowed to vote and have jobs (younger than what they are at) , own property, should be treated more like adults, etc. I personally think so since i myself am a teenager(15) and I do think that i am better imformed about politics than most adults i know, most teenagers i know work under the table anyhow, and the ability for teenagers to own property would make it so that their parents won't take money out of Little Jimmy's college fund for a night at the casino. As for respect i do bieleive I have some degree of competency and feel that i should respected as such.

For those of you that say not all teenagers are competent why not have a competency test put into effect with those passing gaining certain rights.

Trust me, you'll be pushing 30 before you know it. Life is kind of like a long road trip to a vacation... it seems to take forever while your going, but once you get there you hardly remember the trip at all. Instead of worrying too much about when you will be able to vote, learn as much as you can. Just having an interest in voting or politics places you in a unique minority. Just keep learning... three years is nothing. Think of it this way... you'll be able to vote in the House and Senate elections after the 2008 presidential elections!