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The level of stupidity in this thread is amazing.

At 11/25/07 02:49 PM, SlithVampir wrote: Q= Is a virus a life?

A= No. It cannot fulfill a life process (reproduction) without an outside host. It also has no DNA.

Q= Is the fetus life?

A= No. It can fulfill no life processes without the mother's body (other than DNA), until 24 weeks (the shortest amount of gestation required for a premature baby to survive. 24 weeks is the longest pregnancy time before the abortion becomes illegal (at least in New York).

Although I like your WAY of forming the argument, there is some problems with it; It doesn't need to be able to fulfill a life process to be alive, viruses are alive, and viruses HAVE DNA. But if you skipped the DNA part, and instead of "life" used the words "individual animal", it would be a fine argument.
After all, nobody could argue that it should be illegal just because it's ALIVE, as long as you have no problems with removing the life of other animals and plants. What is important is if it can suffer (which of course most animals can, which is why I'm a vegetarian).
According to me, doing something for yourself regardless of someone suffering in the process is the very definition of evil. But that's just my personal ethics, although I believe many would at least partially share that view. To me, egoism is evil.

At 11/25/07 03:50 PM, Memorize wrote: The level of stupidity in this thread is amazing.

You know, thinking about the PM's you've sent me, talking about stupidity is quite hypocritical.
"Your mom is a whore who certainly didn't know how to raise any smart children."

At 11/25/07 04:20 PM, Sajberhippien wrote:

You know, thinking about the PM's you've sent me, talking about stupidity is quite hypocritical.
"Your mom is a whore who certainly didn't know how to raise any smart children."

Only logical answer I could come up with for you.

After all, only judging from the PM doesn't make me "stupid" therefore it doesn't make me "hypocritical".

At 11/25/07 04:16 PM, Sajberhippien wrote:

Although I like your WAY of forming the argument, there is some problems with it; It doesn't need to be able to fulfill a life process to be alive, viruses are alive, and viruses HAVE DNA. But if you skipped the DNA part, and instead of "life" used the words "individual animal", it would be a fine argument.

Then it can apply to every and all human on the planet as everyone is a clump of cells and DNA.

The difference is that WE are human and animals are not.

After all, nobody could argue that it should be illegal just because it's ALIVE, as long as you have no problems with removing the life of other animals and plants. What is important is if it can suffer (which of course most animals can, which is why I'm a vegetarian).

It can be switched: How can you be a vegetarian and have your position?

And on top of that: Plants are living too, you know.

At 11/25/07 04:16 PM, Sajberhippien wrote:
Although I like your WAY of forming the argument, there is some problems with it; It doesn't need to be able to fulfill a life process to be alive, viruses are alive, and viruses HAVE DNA.

Actually, they either contain RNA or DNA. DAMN YOU FRESHMAN BIOLOGY!!!

According to me, doing something for yourself regardless of someone suffering in the process is the very definition of evil.

This is why I think 24 weeks is too much for normal circumstances. Cases involving 13 year olds or siblings from Alabama can go to 24 weeks. Also, diseases like Tay Sachs should be abortable at any point. When to set the normal limit, you ask? Do I look like someone who does this shit for a living?

The only issue some of my liberal brethren would have with this is the slippery slope argument, but I honestly don't fear further limitation.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT!!!!!!!!!!! You know what reduces abortion? Not making it illegal. Ask any woman in El Salvador about that. Not "Abstinence only sexual education". Ask any southern woman about that.

1 Word: contraception. Massive amounts. The pill should at least be as widespread as Vioxx, if not much more. And it won't even kill you!

You won't hear Jerry Falwell tell you that.

Simply put, abortion is a means of destruction which are designed to benefit the continuation of society like any means of population control. paleolithic people's commited infantacide and societies all around the world will 'rid' themselfs of certain areas to ensure a smooth running society. An ethnic clensing if you will.

At 11/25/07 11:26 AM, Fuoco wrote: I tought I said he was moving.
I applied pressure on her abdomen and he reacted. Meaning his SNS is working fine, as well as the CNS because he responded. I know these are reactions from the spinal chord, but the brain still receives that info. I say that's enough neural activity to be considered a small kid.

Again, things like insects and slugs do that too. If you consider reflexes to be complex neural activity on the level of a "small kid" then you've got pretty low standards.

I personally find kids much more interesting when they get to the point that they understand deception, or can at least formulate plans with multiple steps. Of course, that's just me, as in general I'm a lot more interested in human behaviour than biology.

If people consider abortion as murder, any time you ejaculate you release MILLIONS if not more could-be babies.
So every man ever is a murder.

I still haven't chosen a side, just sharing a fact.

At 11/25/07 03:50 PM, Memorize wrote: The level of stupidity in this thread is amazing.

This was in a PM you sent me that I read a little while ago:

Why do you idiots exist?

This thread isn't stupid. You're stupid.

At 11/30/07 08:00 PM, WaveCM wrote: If people consider abortion as murder, any time you ejaculate you release MILLIONS if not more could-be babies.
So every man ever is a murder.

I still haven't chosen a side, just sharing a fact.

I had brought something like that up in another thread I had made: if abortion was illegal, masturbation and performing any act that could render one infertile should also be considered illegal. A fetus is not a life, but a "potential life", and the same thing should apply for every sperm and egg in a human body.

At 11/30/07 08:07 PM, KeithHybrid wrote:

This thread isn't stupid. You're stupid.

I didn't say this thread was stupid. I said the people were being stupid.

Way to read, stupid.

Why should we even listen to you? You tried being a sneaky little bastard and getting us through the PMs instead of being a man and telling your problems in front of everyone as whichever diety you worship as your witness?

Coward.

At 11/30/07 08:36 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Why should we even listen to you?

Who's telling you to?

You tried being a sneaky little bastard and getting us through the PMs instead of being a man and telling your problems in front of everyone as whichever diety you worship as your witness?

Haha!

How the hell am I supposed to do that on the Internet when people don't sign on?

You really can't think at all, can you?

At 11/24/07 09:51 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Until the embryo is at least in its second (maybe third) trimester, it can't be considered a seperate organism. It's but a collection of cells that is developing into a living being, and it could only be a seperate lifeform once the umbilical cord between the child and mother is severed. As such, an embryo is part of a mother's body, which means the mother can do whatever the hell she wants with it.

How can you ignore the studies of the brain waves coming from the fetus? Especially the part where the brain waves signified that the fetus could feel pain?

At 11/25/07 02:49 PM, SlithVampir wrote: Q= Is a virus a life?
A= No. It cannot fulfill a life process (reproduction) without an outside host. It also has no DNA.

Viruses have DNA though... They need DNA so that they are able to have the information to make copies of themselves with the host cell.

At 11/25/07 06:13 PM, Memorize wrote: After all, only judging from the PM doesn't make me "stupid" therefore it doesn't make me "hypocritical".

They just make it evident that your head is up your ass.

At 11/30/07 08:50 PM, Christopherr wrote:

At 11/25/07 06:13 PM, Memorize wrote: After all, only judging from the PM doesn't make me "stupid" therefore it doesn't make me "hypocritical".

They just make it evident that your head is up your ass.

Finally, something pro-choicers and pro-lifers can agree on.

At 11/30/07 08:50 PM, Christopherr wrote:

They just make it evident that your head is up your ass.

Haha!

That was good.

But not a smart political move.

Dude, whats up with your little analogy or whatever you are doing, http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/8186 63, seriously, come up with more than one argument.

And while its not murder its still wrong.

Masterbating kills sperm cells, wich is half of what is necessary to reproduce, saying that would be like saying a woman having her period is murder! Masturbation is natural.

I for one think women sohuld have the freedom to choose what they want to do with their unborn child, I dont really think they should be punished for abortion because the pain of ending a life before it began would be enough, so I believe that abortion is wrong, but prohibiting a persons right to choose is wrong also, and I think if a women wants to go to hell over killing an unwanted child, then so be it.
But we all value life, and we all would like to save unborn children. If in the event a law is passed where a women cant kill her unborn child, I think she must give birth to it and give it to a foster parent otherwise. Because if a girl was raped, the damage is done, and the only thing as wrong as the raping itself is the killing of an innocent.
Even if an unborn child isnt considered a human being, it is still a life form, and to kill and innocent life form is wrong.

I am confident that many people will share my beliefs, and some maybe will not,I am more exited to see the people who agree with me and any additions they would add to my opinion, peace out guys 8)

Wow, my comment made this post pretty quiet lol

Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state. Check!
Organization: Being composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life. Check!
Metabolism: Self-explanatory. Check!
Growth: Self-explanatory. Check!
Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. Check!
Response to stimuli: Self-explanatory. Check!
Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Eventually, check!

There's the textbook definition for you. Happy?

At 12/1/07 03:56 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Wow, my comment made this post pretty quiet lol

no its just 4 in the morning, look through the previous pages, a number of people have already mentioned the sperm/ovum thing.

At 12/1/07 03:56 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Wow, my comment made this post pretty quiet lol

You posted at 2:17 AM, most sane people sleep you know.

oh lol

"The fetus within this time frame of gestation, 20 weeks and beyond, is fully capable of experiencing pain. Without doubt a partial birth abortion is a dreadfully painful experience for any infant." R. White, Dir. Neurosurgery & Brain Research, Case Western Univ.

http://www.abortionfacts.com/fetal_devel opment/fetal_pain.asp

At 11/30/07 10:33 PM, Memorize wrote: Haha!

That was good.

But not a smart political move.

What, answering an insult with an insult? I believe you called his mother a whore? Bad political move on your part, big guy.

At 12/1/07 04:00 AM, klopatng wrote: Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state. Check!
Organization: Being composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life. Check!
Metabolism: Self-explanatory. Check!
Growth: Self-explanatory. Check!
Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. Check!
Response to stimuli: Self-explanatory. Check!
Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Eventually, check!

There's the textbook definition for you. Happy?

Maybe they'll eventually start letting us abort the punkasses who whine about how abortion should be legal when they really don't have children problems.

At 11/24/07 10:24 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 11/24/07 10:20 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: If the child lives, he/she also suffers from the results of living with parents who didn't want the child born at all

They never heard of adoption.

but that just traumatizes the child or something

I don't feel really bad about abortions until the blob is around 4 weeks old (I think that's it), because that's where it's able to feel itself dying. Before that I still feel bad, but not as much. Thing is though, it's not up to me, it's not up to anyone here either, it's up to the chick who's pregnant and whoever got her pregnant, mostly her though.