Overpopulation

[Lindione]

Ok, I was interested on what the people of newgrounds have to say about the overpopulation of the world (if you think its overpopulated) and what should we do or not do about it. I personnaly think that we should not allow people with genetic dieseises to reproduce and not allow people (unless they have a good reson) to have more than 2 kids.

[J1m]

I did a whole essay on this for science class. I ended up limiting the amount of children per family based on collective income.

The more money - the more children you can have.

That way, childhood poverty is curbed as well, and two birds have been killed with one stone.

[Drakim]

At 11/24/07 07:08 PM, Lindione wrote: Ok, I was interested on what the people of newgrounds have to say about the overpopulation of the world (if you think its overpopulated) and what should we do or not do about it. I personnaly think that we should not allow people with genetic dieseises to reproduce and not allow people (unless they have a good reson) to have more than 2 kids.

I don't think people should have more than 2 kids, and I think a lot of people would agree on that.

However, a lot of people are against government controlled anything, especially in America. How are you going to ensure that people don't get more than 2 kids without making a very police state-ish situation? I think that would worry many.

[Lindione]

At 11/24/07 07:35 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 11/24/07 07:08 PM, Lindione wrote: Ok, I was interested on what the people of newgrounds have to say about the overpopulation of the world (if you think its overpopulated) and what should we do or not do about it. I personnaly think that we should not allow people with genetic dieseises to reproduce and not allow people (unless they have a good reson) to have more than 2 kids.

I don't think people should have more than 2 kids, and I think a lot of people would agree on that.

However, a lot of people are against government controlled anything, especially in America. How are you going to ensure that people don't get more than 2 kids without making a very police state-ish situation? I think that would worry many.

Kids have to go to have a birth certificate right? We could set up a registry that identifies the parents and if parents have more than 2 kids they well.. some non lethal ideas would be great at this point.

or we could do what China did and kill the extra babies.. but i like the whole parent registry better.. in fact.. much better

[Lindione]

At 11/24/07 07:30 PM, Transkar wrote:

At 11/24/07 07:08 PM, Lindione wrote: Ok, I was interested on what the people of newgrounds have to say about the overpopulation of the world (if you think its overpopulated) and what should we do or not do about it. I personnaly think that we should not allow people with genetic dieseises to reproduce and not allow people (unless they have a good reson) to have more than 2 kids.

You sound like a barbarian. We need to colonize other planets to make room for more people. We are a parasite and this is our goal.

Well, we have to do something about it on earth in the near future since I don't think were going off into space in the next 100 years at least not in a progressive and productive way

[EKublai]

eventually, earth's resources will run out on us. Having nothing else, we turn to cannibalism and effectively wipe the majority of humankind off the planet.

That will allow earth to restabilize.

[SadisticMonkey]

The way to stunt population growth is through the donation of contraception to third-world and developing nations. This proves effective.

Unfortunately, this doesn't sit well with the Catholics, so they tell Mr. President about it and he stops doing this, and instead sends missionaries over to teach horribly ineffective"Abstinence only" programs.

[THEFLYINGMONKEY]

its not overpopulated just loud

[reviewer-general]

At 11/24/07 08:06 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: The way to stunt population growth is through the donation of contraception to third-world and developing nations. This proves effective.

IF....

Unfortunately, this doesn't sit well with the Catholics, so they tell Mr. President about it and he stops doing this, and instead sends missionaries over to teach horribly ineffective"Abstinence only" programs.

We just had to watch a 3 hour documentary on this in my Biology class.

The amount of ignorance shown by some of the people interviewed was APPALLING.

Paraphrased: "I would never use any form of contraceptive, because that is like killing your baby."

Wanna guess who this was coming from? A WOMAN WHO HAD JUST HAD AN ILLEGAL ABORTION. That is EXACTLY like killing your baby!

Another couple said that they would not stop having sex or use a contraceptive, and if they kept having kids then it is simply "Gods will".

I think we need a figure such as the Pope to put this nonsense to end finally. Come put officially and say that the Church no longer frowns upon the use of birth control. This is the 21st century, and the Church is becoming rather archaic. But I digress.

Possibly the most effective strategy would be the wide-spread distribution of condoms (possibly the most effective form of birth control, especially in places of high poverty), coupled with intensive family-planning / education projects. The main problem with contraceptives is that those in areas of high overpopulation are not knowledgable with the usage of such devices, little social aceptance of such practices, inadequate medical training for those methods that involve implantation for long-term birth control. If people were properly educated things would be much more effective.

Women should also be a focal point for the education process. Since in many parts of the world it is considered that a woman's job is to have kids and care for her husband, they have no ability to stand up for themselves. Most women would choose to NOT have 7 kids that they can not care for if they were educated and could make decisions for themselves.

Again, religion is a problem with this, primarily Islam. Until it can be widely accepted that women are on par with men, we will continue to have these sort of problems.

"A woman if properly educated will make the decisions that are right for herself and her family."

So I think the only way we have to combat the problems of overpopulation are to put pressure on religious institutions to change their policies, education of the masses, effective distribution of contraceptives/family-planning, and just plain common sense.

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[Lindione]

Unfortunatly the catholic church dosen't change its views easily (they don't wanna look weak) and Islam we would probably have to start another war for them to change their views toward women. Right now we need to come up with ways in America to control the population so we can set an example for the rest of the world. As for China and India I haven't done research on that and maybe progress can be done there

[SEXY-FETUS]

So much of this thread is reminding me of enders game.

[1337biatch]

Dont worry, in china girls are getting drowned daily!

[TheMason]

We do nothing...China and India will probably have a war in the next 20-50 years that will take care of alot of the overpopulation...and solve China's pending collapse of their pension program.

[reviewer-general]

At 11/24/07 08:52 PM, TheMason wrote: We do nothing...China and India will probably have a war in the next 20-50 years that will take care of alot of the overpopulation...and solve China's pending collapse of their pension program.

Why CHINA and India?

It is far more likely that Pakistan and India lose control.

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[animehater]

At 11/24/07 07:30 PM, Transkar wrote: We are a parasite and this is our goal.

I would prefer it if you referred to our collective identity as the future rulers of the universe but yes I would think our goal should be expansion.

[TheMason]

At 11/24/07 08:54 PM, reviewer-general wrote:

At 11/24/07 08:52 PM, TheMason wrote:

Why CHINA and India?

It is far more likely that Pakistan and India lose control.

I don't think Pakistan poses the threat to India that China does. Both are possible successors to the US for world "hegemony" (or as I like to call it: Empire). While there is more recent historical/cultural cleavages between India and Pakistan...BUT the economic rivalry puts more pressure on India/China than the Hindu/Islam divide.

Plus India is orienting its military more to a confrotation with China than with Pakistan.

[SmilezRoyale]

a small problem is that a considerable ammount of population increase usually occurs in areas where they either can't afford to stop overproducing childeren [Because of mortality rates] and or refuse to do so for cultural reasons and or have no ability to be forced to do so because of certain political factors involved.

If you want to solve population problems in the united states, find sources of population growth and see how they can be curbed.

[reviewer-general]

At 11/24/07 09:15 PM, TheMason wrote: BUT the economic rivalry puts more pressure on India/China than the Hindu/Islam divide.

Plus India is orienting its military more to a confrotation with China than with Pakistan.

But, considering that religion plays the major role in the majority of all conflicts....?

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[Lindione]

At 11/24/07 09:36 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: a small problem is that a considerable ammount of population increase usually occurs in areas where they either can't afford to stop overproducing childeren [Because of mortality rates] and or refuse to do so for cultural reasons and or have no ability to be forced to do so because of certain political factors involved.

If you want to solve population problems in the united states, find sources of population growth and see how they can be curbed.

Well the problems i see are not using contraception (education on the matter and tax writeoff on condoms) and those big old wholesome families on the prarie that just want a big happy family (some extra taxes should bring that right down)

Any other causes you people see?

[SmilezRoyale]

Are there really population problems in the united states because of contraception issues? i figured abortion solved that problem.

And if you're talking about a 3rd world country like africa forget it, there's no way we can change they're fiscal policy, the only thing we can do is throw vast sums of money into fixing the lives of a few select people and feel good about ourselfs at the end of the day.

[TheMason]

At 11/24/07 09:49 PM, Lindione wrote:

At 11/24/07 09:36 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

Well the problems i see are not using contraception (education on the matter and tax writeoff on condoms) and those big old wholesome families on the prarie that just want a big happy family (some extra taxes should bring that right down)

Actually I'm yet to be convinced that overpopulation is a problem in the US...

[Lindione]

At 11/24/07 10:04 PM, TheMason wrote: Actually I'm yet to be convinced that overpopulation is a problem in the US...

I'm not saying there is I'm saying there will be if something isn't done

[TheMason]

At 11/24/07 10:12 PM, Lindione wrote:

At 11/24/07 10:04 PM, TheMason wrote: Actually I'm yet to be convinced that overpopulation is a problem in the US...

I'm not saying there is I'm saying there will be if something isn't done

What's your timetable? Why do you think its inevitable? We're no where close to being unable to support our population in terms of dwellings (population density), economy or food.

[Lindione]

At 11/24/07 10:22 PM, TheMason wrote:

At 11/24/07 10:12 PM, Lindione wrote:

At 11/24/07 10:04 PM, TheMason wrote: Actually I'm yet to be convinced that overpopulation is a problem in the US...

I'm not saying there is I'm saying there will be if something isn't done

What's your timetable? Why do you think its inevitable? We're no where close to being unable to support our population in terms of dwellings (population density), economy or food.

I don't have a timetable since its impossible to predict accuratly but its within the next 100 years. Its inevitable since people are going to naurally want to reproduce. Its not going to cause the end of humanity anytime soon, but its going to become more and more costly to the human race and more depleting on earths non renewable resources. This is a long term problem which needs to be addresed over a long time.

[TheMason]

At 11/24/07 09:49 PM, reviewer-general wrote:

At 11/24/07 09:15 PM, TheMason wrote: BUT the economic rivalry puts more pressure on India/China than the Hindu/Islam divide.

Plus India is orienting its military more to a confrotation with China than with Pakistan.

But, considering that religion plays the major role in the majority of all conflicts....?

I disagree. Religion may be a way the leadership mobilizes the population, however economics tends to be the real impetus behind most wars. For example, the Crusades was more about European expansion than religion. After all, local Christians were treated just as poorly as the local Jews and Muslims.

As a country that is modernizing, India has more to be concerned with China than it does Pakistan.

[TheMason]

At 11/24/07 10:28 PM, Lindione wrote:

:: I don't have a timetable since its impossible to predict accuratly but its within the next 100 years. Its inevitable since people are going to naurally want to reproduce. Its not going to cause the end of humanity anytime soon, but its going to become more and more costly to the human race and more depleting on earths non renewable resources. This is a long term problem which needs to be addresed over a long time.

Thing is, there have been population crisis in the past and there will be more in the future. The answer has never been government intervention but rather advancements in technology. Crop rotation was revolutionary in that people learned how to use the land without depleting it completely.

What we need to focus on in order handle any increases in population is alternative and renewable sources of energy. Agriculture will most likely take care of itself.

[mrlion]

i have a feeling you're an athiest

[TheMason]

At 11/24/07 11:00 PM, mrlion wrote: i have a feeling you're an athiest

Who?

[RedSkunk]

I feel as if global overpopulation is a problem, not because of space or food production, but because of the pace that we're consuming natural resources and emitting pollution. (Global warming aside. Irrigable land and drinkable water, for instance.)

I don't feel as if there is anything that can be done on a global scale. Each country has its own solutions. India with raising the standard of living (inc. female literacy = direct statistical link with dec. reproduction). China with two child limits. Long-term, India has it right. Improving the standard of living in the 3rd world will lower birth rates. The conundrum is that improved living standards require increased consumption, putting more strain on the environment. Solutions? Dunno.

I haven't heard anything to suggest the US is experiencing an overpopulation crises.

[Lindione]

At 11/24/07 11:55 PM, RedSkunk wrote: I feel as if global overpopulation is a problem, not because of space or food production, but because of the pace that we're consuming natural resources and emitting pollution. (Global warming aside. Irrigable land and drinkable water, for instance.)

I don't feel as if there is anything that can be done on a global scale. Each country has its own solutions. India with raising the standard of living (inc. female literacy = direct statistical link with dec. reproduction). China with two child limits. Long-term, India has it right. Improving the standard of living in the 3rd world will lower birth rates. The conundrum is that improved living standards require increased consumption, putting more strain on the environment. Solutions? Dunno.

I agree with this, and some solutions would be putting solar panels on homes, recycling water, use of the internet instead of paper for books and notices. All of these are non poluting ways to increase standards of living.