If we were to create a moon colony

[bluedemonspeedracer]

If we were to build a moon colony, what type of government do you think would work best for it? You have to remember, we have to have ways to strictly monitor the usage of resources such as food, water, and oxygen so others won't suffer from one persons greed. Also we would need to be able to effectively limit population growth so that the amount of people living there won't exceed what the biosphere is capable of supporting. So obviously a type of government with a free market economy is not going to work on the moon. So how exactly can we effectivly regulate resources on the moon without infringing on rights and freedoms? Communism of course has failed from so many attempts despite the fact that it may seem to be the most appropriate form of government for a moon colony. So what type of government would have the ability to help conserve all its resources vital to life if communism would fail. (note: I am not a communist, I am a utilitarian, a utilitarian beleives any form of government should be used that would best suit the country's needs. In most cases democracy is the most practical one, but I want to create an unusual government situation were democracy may not exactly work or would it?) Also be sure to explain why you think that form of government would work best. Also if your really creative, try and come up with your own idea of new form of government that nobody may have conjured yet.

[lumpypaint]

Socialism i think.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

bluemod quit spaming the board with stupid ass topics and what does this one have to do with politics

[animehater]

How do you know exactly that the technology by then wouldn't allow the Biosphere go above commune status? For all we know it could be very much capable to build a free market society with it's population in the millions.

[LordJaric]

I think before we even come close to colonising the moon and mars, the governments of the world need to come together and put their differenes aside, and that is not going to happen in the near future.

[animehater]

At 11/17/07 06:34 PM, LordJaric wrote: I think before we even come close to colonising the moon and mars, the governments of the world need to come together and put their differenes aside,

Bull to the shit. I'm sure if some Corporation or eccentric Multi Billionaire ( Or a group of them) really wanted to they could set up the foundation to form a beautiful lunar city that will be the setting of many Sci Fi films.

[lumpypaint]

At 11/17/07 06:27 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: bluemod quit spaming the board with stupid ass topics and what does this one have to do with politics

Well definitely not because hes asking about government, after all, since when is politics about government? </sarcasm>

This isnt spam, i find this topic interesting and not stupid, and i have no idea who "bluemod" is.

[PyroflameGames]

At 11/17/07 06:27 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: bluemod quit spaming the board with stupid ass topics and what does this one have to do with politics

This topic isn't spam...o_O?

I think it could be somewhat of a free market society... But with a hint of communism. Like there would only be able to be like maybe one "birth" per person, the other babies would have to be aborted.

[SadisticMonkey]

Stop posting here. Please.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 11/17/07 06:56 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Stop posting here. Please.

I know these stupid ass 07's are ruining this board

[lumpypaint]

At 11/17/07 07:01 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

At 11/17/07 06:56 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Stop posting here. Please.

I know these stupid ass 07's are ruining this board

what????????????

[LordJaric]

At 11/17/07 06:38 PM, animehater wrote: Bull to the shit.

Is this some new stupid slang.

I'm sure if some Corporation or eccentric Multi Billionaire ( Or a group of them) really wanted to they could set up the foundation to form a beautiful lunar city that will be the setting of many Sci Fi films.

This is not about if we can do it, this is about what kind of government they would have.

[JudgeDredd]

It would be a government that enforces the use of textual paragraphography.

[animehater]

At 11/17/07 07:41 PM, LordJaric wrote: Is this some new stupid slang.

Yep

This is not about if we can do it, this is about what kind of government they would have.

Well I am sure by the time we actually begin to build it wouldn't even have a functioning government until completely finished and self sufficient. To assume it would not be able to be capitalistic is retarded. Really fucking retarded.

[Jokeen]

Well at first there would be no goverment and everyone would work together due to low amount of people staying there and necessity. What would keep people in line? The fact if they do not do what they are supposed to do, everyone would die due to radiation sickness or loss of air.

Such tends tend to make people work together instead of against each other.

[bluedemonspeedracer]

At 11/17/07 08:52 PM, Jokeen wrote: Well at first there would be no goverment and everyone would work together due to low amount of people staying there and necessity. What would keep people in line? The fact if they do not do what they are supposed to do, everyone would die due to radiation sickness or loss of air.

Such tends tend to make people work together instead of against each other.

Well global warming has caused Katrina, deforestation in california caused mudslides, artic ice caps the size of road island dissappeard, yet people still don't cooperate despite the fact that some the actions we are doing to our earth is putting ourselves in danger. So obviously there may be those same idiots living on the moon colony that would be selfish and not even take account of the fact that they are putting themselves and others in danger.

[EndGameOmega]

At 11/17/07 06:24 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote: If we were to build a moon colony, what type of government do you think would work best for it?

What do you mean when you say colony; Do you mean like an outpost of some sort, a full on city, or something in between? Also what do you mean by we, humanity as a whole, a small group of nations, or individual countries (USA, China, etc...)? Each of these would pose different

You have to remember, we have to have ways to strictly monitor the usage of resources such as food, water, and oxygen so others won't suffer from one persons greed. Also we would need to be able to effectively limit population growth so that the amount of people living there won't exceed what the biosphere is capable of supporting. So obviously a type of government with a free market economy is not going to work on the moon. So how exactly can we effectivly regulate resources on the moon without infringing on rights and freedoms? Communism of course has failed from so many attempts despite the fact that it may seem to be the most appropriate form of government for a moon colony. So what type of government would have the ability to help conserve all its resources vital to life if communism would fail. (note: I am not a communist, I am a utilitarian, a utilitarian beleives any form of government should be used that would best suit the country's needs. In most cases democracy is the most practical one, but I want to create an unusual government situation were democracy may not exactly work or would it?) Also be sure to explain why you think that form of government would work best. Also if your really creative, try and come up with your own idea of new form of government that nobody may have conjured yet.

Honestly, I think a technocracy would work best for any off world colonies, of any size.
In case of such a small biosphere, accompanied by the unique and most times deadly environment, it would be out right reckless to give control of any power body to the average person. Given the high level of technology and integration in such a society you would need to have the scientist in charge to make the proper decision about how things are going to happen. Not that scientist are perfect mind you, but trying to explain why you can't just give miners some pick axes to a Politian would simply be an unnecessary obstacle and would adversely effect the whole of the colony.

As for economy, it would depend upon what could be produced and what could be traded. If the colony is relatively isolated, and small, then a socialistic system would work best, however if the colony was more open and larger then a free market system might be preferable.

[Boke]

Socialism

[animehater]

At 11/17/07 10:18 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote: So obviously there may be those same idiots living on the moon colony that would be selfish and not even take account of the fact that they are putting themselves and others in danger.

I'm pretty sure the first people they would put on the damn thing won't be like that. Also, those were times of crisis and confusion, none of those are present here.

[EmperorQuintana]

At least it would be the perfect idea to land to set up civilization on the moon; so have you played Destroy All Humans 2? The Secret Soviet Moonbase Solaris inspired me to set up a colony on the Moon.

Hail Quintana!

[Brick-top]

I'm not sure.

Would it need since the only people that would be up would either be mega rich or workers?

[Euroc]

At 11/17/07 06:34 PM, LordJaric wrote: I think before we even come close to colonising the moon and mars, the governments of the world need to come together and put their differenes aside, and that is not going to happen in the near future.

Yeah, imagine a terrorist invasion of a moon base... then again, what the hell good would a moon base colony do anyway?

[JudgeDredd]

At 11/17/07 11:36 PM, Boke wrote: Socialism.

Capitalism.

Air will be very expensive and heavily taxed. (not that tax exactly a capitalist mechanism, but you'd kinda expect the government would spend it on some nice weapons to keep the flood of earth immigrants out).

[YuanYan]

We'll need to create an atmosphere, so that we can then destroy it.

I suppose we could call it Lunar warming.

Al Gore will need something to do once we get up there.

[Euroc]

At 11/20/07 11:29 PM, JudgeDredd wrote:

At 11/17/07 11:36 PM, Boke wrote: Socialism.

Capitalism.

Air will be very expensive and heavily taxed. (not that tax exactly a capitalist mechanism, but you'd kinda expect the government would spend it on some nice weapons to keep the flood of earth immigrants out).

It would have to be more like a confederacy with the parent country of origin. It really depends on how large it got. Of course, they would have seperate interest from those living on the earth. They will want to ensure water and oxygen shipments arrive as needed. So, grant them some sort of voice in the house and senate and be done with it.

At first though, treat them more like the military. They have a certain budget that they cannot go over. Then make them responsible for ensuring that money last the year.

[Euroc]

At 11/17/07 07:01 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

At 11/17/07 06:56 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Stop posting here. Please.

I know these stupid ass 07's are ruining this board

Oh wow... so, because you have invested a large portion of your life into logging on to newgrounds everyday, rating five flash movies/games, and depositing your 10 points you should somehow have a larger soapbox to speak from? How pathetic. I really hope you have something to show for at then end of your life other than a kick ass level score on Newgrounds.com.

[JerkClock]

A moon colony for humans can not practically exist. If it did, it would be a major drain on our resources. There are none of essential things that humans need on the moon, except solid ground. But that's not enough. If we could get to the moon in 2 seconds like in futurama, we could maybe set up some recreational place there, but I doubt anyone would wanna live there except to escape their governments.

[EndGameOmega]

At 11/21/07 01:58 AM, JerkClock wrote: A moon colony for humans can not practically exist. If it did, it would be a major drain on our resources.

All colonies are initially a resource drain. It takes years before a new colony will be able to pay for it self. However, given the nature of such an environment it's extremely likely that any off world colony would be almost completely self-sustaining in terms of food, water, and O2. The only things that would need to be shipped are mechanical components and the like. After a few decades even these would be reduce in number.

There are none of essential things that humans need on the moon, except solid ground.

Well what do you define as essential? The moon has resources that we don't have on earth. Hell mining He3 would make a small base more then worth wild, not to mention the significant concentrations of rare, and precious mettles, like gold, silver, yttrium, etc... Lastly the lower gravity, and effectively vacuous atmosphere would allow for far cheaper construction and launching of various probes, and space based vehicles.

But that's not enough. If we could get to the moon in 2 seconds like in futurama, we could maybe set up some recreational place there, but I doubt anyone would wanna live there except to escape their governments.

There are a lot of people who would love to live off world. Why; because it's adventurous, new, and a challenge. If any one were to setup a colony or outpost there would be no shortage of volunteers.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

At 11/20/07 10:51 PM, Euroc wrote: Yeah, imagine a terrorist invasion of a moon base... then again, what the hell good would a moon base colony do anyway?

Easier access to space travel. No need for gazillions of gallons of fuel to be used to break away from the earths atmosphere and gravity. If we'd been serious about space exploration we'd have built a moon base instead of the international space station.

[JerkClock]

At 11/21/07 02:54 AM, EndGameOmega wrote:
All colonies are initially a resource drain. It takes years before a new colony will be able to pay for it self. However, given the nature of such an environment it's extremely likely that any off world colony would be almost completely self-sustaining in terms of food, water, and O2. The only things that would need to be shipped are mechanical components and the like. After a few decades even these would be reduce in number.

Dude, ok, like explain how the colony would be capable of sustaining itself. We need to get oxygen sources, food sources, and soil for food sources to grow in, all the way to the moon without the solar radiation killing them(space shuttles don't filter it as well as our atmosphere. Do you know how much that would cost? And that's neglecting the fact that we would have to also keep them alive long enough to erect a green zone that they could survive in.

And on that note, since we don't have the ability to block solar radiation like our atmosphere does, what makes you think they'd survive all that long on the moon?

Well what do you define as essential?

Stuff that isn't moon rock?

The moon has resources that we don't have on earth. Hell mining He3 would make a small base more then worth wild, not to mention the significant concentrations of rare, and precious mettles, like gold, silver, yttrium, etc... Lastly the lower gravity, and effectively vacuous atmosphere would allow for far cheaper construction and launching of various probes, and space based vehicles.

And what of the expense in getting it all back to earth?

There are a lot of people who would love to live off world. Why; because it's adventurous, new, and a challenge. If any one were to setup a colony or outpost there would be no shortage of volunteers.

Pretty sure that 99% of them are willing to put up with this world for the time being instead of being irradiated by solar winds and struggling to keep from dying every single day on the moon.